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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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2c5474 No.647802

>be me

>start thinking gay thoughts

>not even real gay thoughts but just mirin' a physique

>Bible falls off the shelf

okay weird but it was probably unbalanced

>be me

>start thinking some straight thoughts about teasing a girl who's into dirty stuff

>Crucifix falls off the shelf

Christianity confirmed!

but…

God pls, can I not do with my penis as I please? That shit from Leviticus canon too?

a295de No.647817

This has nothing to do with you OP but I've always winnie the pooh hated that image.


18afbb No.647961


bc40d9 No.647975

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>>647961

I don't like it either. It makes a mockery of the Lord not wanting you to fornicate with yourself, implying that it's irrational and silly.

Avoiding temptation is anything but a joke, especially given the vast increase in easy access to the cyanide for love that is pornography.

>>647802

To answer your question, no, avoiding such things is not exclusive to the old covenant. Homosexuality and fornication is wrong. Period. If your loins are consistently bothered, focus on finding a wife.


2c5474 No.648026

>>647975

>Homosexuality and fornication is wrong. Period.

Prove it in valid argument form.


f2ed61 No.648034

>>648026

Matthew 19:10-12

Get married to a woman or cut your junk off. Those're your two options.


6bc1b7 No.648037

>>648034

>or cut your junk off

This is why you don't begome protestant.


c9277a No.648065

>>648026

Leviticus 20:13

Genesis 19

1 Kings 15:13

On top of the normal biological arguments agianst sticking a penis in the filthiest place of the human body


1ccf33 No.648073

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>>647975

>finding a wife


f51592 No.648099

Homosexuality (and polyamory for that matter) are perversions of both God's intentions for marriage (Gen 2:23-25), and His perfect picture of Christ and His Bride, the Church (Eph. 5:28-32).

Furthermore, regarding sexuality in general, the Apostle Paul says,

>Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. (1 Corinthians 6:18-20)

Tbf, it sounds like you need some good Christian mentorship and fellowship. Abstaining from pornography and sexually suggestive or explicit material that grieves the Holy Spirit is imperative for quenching lust and unnatural desires. Your own sexual pleasure is for a moment, but once that post-orgasm glow has faded, you'll be left with your own guilty conscience (if you're truly saved) and the knowledge that you engaged in sin recognized in the Scripture as especially perverted and sinful.


328d2e No.648200

>>648073

>>638803


2c5474 No.648303

>>648065

Mouth has got waaay more bacteria.

>>648034

Are we citing the Bible now as evidence?

Why is it found in nature so much? Why did God make this perfectly normal man, and then given him desires for other men, and tell him his skin will burn and his flesh will melt as locusts crawl under his eyelids as he drowns in feces if he gives the succ?

Gays aside, why cant I tease someone who's into kinky shit?

There are some glaring flaws in this ideology, is all I'm saying.


69dfea No.648307

>>648303

Animals don't know God. Also the seed of evil is planted by man. The "born gay" thing is a meme pushed by apologists. The last thing (((they))) want a man suffering from sexual perversion is for him to know he could end it with his own free will. Instead, ideas are pushed that you're damned no matter what if you think about benis, so God couldn't be real and if he is he's a meanie.


339630 No.648309

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>>648303

But the normal peoples' mouths don't have poop in it…I dont know if I can say the same about yours…

Also

>if God hates sodomy, why do the animals commit it all the time?

Because animals are animals, but we are human, we are better than the animals. God treats us like his children. He only wants whats best for us, but it is still up to us to listen to Him. If you want to be a degenerate sodomite, go ahead! No one will stop you, but when you contract an STD for your sexual immortality…dont say we didn't warn you I hear the cathar on /christ/ would take someone like you in, cathars are big sodomites that supposedly love God


facfb8 No.648311

>>648303

>Why did God make this perfectly normal man, and then given him desires for other men

He did not. Some of us seek out "strange flesh" on their own because their lust have grown out of control so much or went astray towards the unnatural. They can either submit to their fallen nature, or rise above it and imitate our creator who wants us to be what we are meant to be.


50dcf2 No.648317

>>648311

>>648307

not OP, and not even a proper christian just a lurker who finds it interesting on some level

I usually dont post because of that but would like to interject here

even as a child it felt kinda good to play with my butt, this was before I ever watched porn or masturbated

I have never lain with another man, I dont even really find them attractive either, but in the way I described I was definitely that way my whole life and not somehow "corrupted"

I have been considering lifelong celibacy out of the very concrete fear of STD and even yes, the nebulous fear of "what if all you guys are right"


facfb8 No.648323

>>648317

>the nebulous fear of "what if all you guys are right"

Hear that thought out more. That is your calling.


50dcf2 No.648326

>>648323

I have been considering it, I do lurk here for a reason

but do you have an answer to my experience seemingly contradicting you in >>648311 ?

I have had these desires, although not desires for other men exactly but defiantly not normal heterosexual desires my whole life, even before I lusted let alone it going out of control


91260f No.648329

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>>648303

Intercourse without the chance of reproduction only serves to try your dopamine receptors, you'll soon learn that STDs are actually the least grief God could give you on earth of you decide to follow the path of the wanderer.


e5b52f No.648339

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>>647961

>>647817

Ironically, OP's image aligns with the Bible (Psalm 8:4). However, it's a pity many will end up in the Lake of Fire because of some meme image instead of reading their Bible.

What is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man that You attend to him? (Psalm 8:4)


69dfea No.648353

>>648326

Im not an expert on the subject, if they're just intrusive thoughts then it's not an actual part of your character. I don't know what you mean exactly by "play with your butt." Kids will explore whatever they can imagine. The point is as an adult human being you have an understanding of nature and morality. I can speak about development of homosexual and sexual perversion from past experience, but I know little about psychology and endocrinology, so I would be as the blind leading the blind.

What I can tell you is the wrongness of the issue is clear as day. When people argue that anal sex is against nature, it's not because people are ignorant of the natural world, but because you can look at the physical distress it leaves on your body (and not to mention your mind and soul) and it's degradation after years of practice. Your body is a temple for the Holy Spirit and to diminish it for the sake of pleasure and arousal is complete negligence. God loves YOU and would never want you to perform voluntary acts that destroy the body he gave you in his likeness. Homosexuality leads to death in multiple definitions of the word. The natural use of sex is to produce life and celebrate the union of man and woman.

My point is we have destructive addictions, temperaments, and traits that develop from our environment or are predisposed by genetics. Submitting to them is to put our own pleasure or self interest above the good of us all. At this point I would quote some of the many verses talking about the duty of Christians to put their faith above their earthly desires, but I'm phone posting at 1am. I hope this answered your question and I also hope other anons will impart similar help if they can


f4dc14 No.648376

I get attracted to adolescent girls, you should at least be happy that the godless society supports your sinful thoughts, mine however are abundantly taboo.

I thank God for giving me the strength to not be a creep or do anything which could get me in trouble.


8a3de0 No.648380

>>647802

I was a sodomite and I still, alas!, have thoughts of that type…God never gave me any tangible/visible/outward signs of His pain for my damnation; the subtle pangs of sorrow in my heart, like the slit of a cracked window glass from which a blade of air comes through to bring a small yet pungent discomfort were more than enough to make me re-evaluate my life.

I am far from cured, but I am on my way to recover.

We cannot do as we please because we are like children in front of a plate of freshly baked brownies: we'd indulge ourselves until we feel sick and disgusted. We already often do that.

Change your ways, brother, and do not "experiment" with yourself: all that is left is hollowness and a sense of self-hatred which feeds on itself.


8faafb No.648420

>>648380

Good luck brother. Check out Pure Passion channel on youtube for some inspiration. I'll be praying for you.


2c5474 No.648741

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>>648307

>>648309

Animals, whether they have souls or not or are able to know being gay is wrong or whatever, has nothing to do with it. I'm saying there is a genetic basis in all of nature which humans came from. The very matter some men are made of is gay. How the winnie the pooh is that fair? Also, very Descarte of you to think that animals are a bunch of dumb winnie the poohs.

>>648311

There's a gene that decides how attracted to men you are. It has a surprisingly effective purpose: gay men have lots of nephews and nieces from their sisters, knowwhatI'msayin? And what of the other genetic factors? Gay men have shorter ring fingers and longer dicks. You don't just turn gay one day because you jerked off too much.


bf285d No.648744

>>648741

The gene meme is not settled science, people just don't risk questioning it anymore. One day that'll change again. But even if there were 100% hard evidence that someone is born with a strong predisposition to male attraction, it wouldn't mean it's acceptable to do so. A man can be predisposed to take alcohol extremely poorly and have an addiction. He doesn't get to say "why lord it's not fair whiskey tastes so good."


f2ed61 No.648773

>>648303

>Are we citing the Bible now as evidence?

As evidence of what? How to live? - yes.

>Why is it found in nature so much? Why did God make this perfectly normal man, and then given him desires for other men, and tell him his skin will burn and his flesh will melt as locusts crawl under his eyelids as he drowns in feces if he gives the succ?

Where were you when God made the heavens and the Earth? Why is murder wrong? Why is cannabalism wrong?

Instead of questioning the ways of God, seek to understand them.

> There are some glaring flaws in this ideology, is all I'm saying.

I don't see any, I think that's a personal problem for you.


2c5474 No.649263

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>>648773

Divine Command Theory.

I've turned the cheek on all your personal comments so far but I want you to know that the reason nobody likes Christians is you're all so damn condescending.


d0397c No.649314

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>>649263

Also, animals are dumb. Some animals are smarter than others (see Corvus Brachyrhynchos) but humans will ALWAYS be smarter and better than the animals.


dc0bf1 No.649318

>>648303

>Why is it found in nature so much? Why did God make this perfectly normal man, and then given him desires for other men, and tell him his skin will burn and his flesh will melt as locusts crawl under his eyelids as he drowns in feces if he gives the succ?

Remember pedophiles are also said to be born that way. I'm not saying that the two are morally equal but only pointing out that the fact that some people have desires which they don't choose to have doesn't mean that acting on those desires is good. Also, as for things found in nature (if you mean in the animal kingdom), rape and cannibalism are commonplace among animals. Yet hopefully you would acknowledge those things are wrong for humans to do.


3b0d9b No.649320

>>648303

>Why is it found in nature so much?

genesis 1:25

>And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

>was good past tense

<Why did God make this perfectly normal man, and then given him desires for other men

This He did not do genesis 6:5

>And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Why did man become like this? Because of the action in genesis 3:22

>And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Since you are discussing sexuality, I will implore on this topic some more

Exodus 20:17

>Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

romans 7:7

>What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

james 4:5

>Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

Lust is not a sin because except covetousness had been a sin we would have not known of its existence. That and if our spirit is in sin then Jesus death on the cross is meaningless because He only died once for sins hebrews 10:12,22,26.

james 1:13-15

>Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

>But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

>Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

matthew 5:28-29

>Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

>But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Now that said, do not let "lust hath conceived" or "to lust after" happen as that implies you are already coveting the thing and have decided to go after it. Once that decision, the "conceived" or "lust after" part is fullfilled, then it is sin. Until that decision to covet/lust after, lust itself is just revealing that covetousness in your heart and is not a sin thereby. Other parts of the Bible also re-enforce this idea such as romans 6:12

>Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

romans 13:14

>But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

1 corinthians 10:6

>Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Don't lust after evil things of the flesh, but rather good things of the Spirit galatians 5:17

>For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

1 corinthians 14:39

>Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

<but anon other versions then the KJV say completely different things on this topic

<such as God being subject to "sexual immorality" which is just another way of saying how society as a majority FEELS about what sexuality is acceptable

>Instead of WHAT God SAYS IN THE Bible

Either make the tree good and his fruit good or make the tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt, for the tree is known by his fruit matthew 12:33. Show me a version other then the KJV that wouldn't make God a liar titus 1:2 if it were true that I might use the good fruit of to build doctrine out of. Or f-u-c-k off with your versions and fruit that would make God a liar if they were true.


d909e3 No.654117

>>648741

gay gene doesn't exist fam

gays are created by exposure to excess hormones in the womb, which is everywhere nowadays with estrogen and the water and whatnot, even then this is a tiny amount of fags because of twin studies where one twin is a homo and one is straight

they are also created by pornography addiction, and by child abuse/trauma/neglect (i have experienced both of these first hand)


bc3309 No.656319

>>648303

>Are we citing the Bible now as evidence?

Are you not a Christian?

>Why is it found in nature so much?

So is the eating of ones own children. I doubt you'd support that.

>Why did God make this perfectly normal man, and then given him desires for other men, and tell him his skin will burn and his flesh will melt as locusts crawl under his eyelids as he drowns in feces if he gives the succ?

Why did God make aspies, sociopaths, or other humans with these biological defects? Some of us have greater crosses we must carry in order to serve the lord and allow him in our lives to improve ourselves.

>Gays aside, why cant I tease someone who's into kinky shit?

Because it would lead to both of you possibly committing sinful acts.

>There are some glaring flaws in this ideology, is all I'm saying.

The only glaring flaw is in your inability to control your lust.


cfa904 No.656324

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>>648303

>Are we citing the Bible now as evidence?

Leave.


e6bbc6 No.656325

>>648303

If you're a Protestant (I count all non Catholic/Orthodox as Protestant) , then your church is built of the primacy of scripture. Even liberal Christians who believe in the primacy of scripture do it based off of attempting to warp what it says with context.

If you aren't a Protestant, then chances are your church doesn't believe in homosexual marriage either


0b0d1a No.656347

>>648037

Right, good cathodoxes like Origen would never begome eunuchs.


60b21b No.656360

>>648303

>Why did God make this perfectly normal man, and then given him desires for other men

Why did your dad make a relatively normal child only to make you learn to walk, talk, read, write, do math, and other hard stuff? God gives us challenges so that we can overcome them and become stronger. It's through fighting your way through pain and suffering that you become what you were truly meant to be. Sure, you COULD just follow your basest of instincts and put your dick in whatever you want, but that's a path that leads to weakness and self defeatism.

>>648303

>and tell him his skin will burn and his flesh will melt as locusts crawl under his eyelids as he drowns in feces if he gives the succ?

Because that's what will happen. If I tell you "Don't jump into oncoming traffic because you'll get hit and die." It's not because I have created an arbitrary rule that I will punish you for breaking. It's because I'm trying to inform you of the inevitable outcomes that will occur if you keep doing stupid stuff.


a90fa2 No.656362

>>648303

>Why is it found in nature so much?

>I read some (((articles))) that it's normal for animals to have gay seggs and I saw a dog hump another male dog once therefore it's perfectly normal

This is an appeal to nature, which is always a shitty thing to do since you guys are still against cannibalism, necrophilia, beastiality and whatnot even though this is wayyy more frequent than homosexual behaviour.


75932d No.656374

>>649263

>the reason nobody likes Christians is you're all so damn condescending.

And the reason nobody likes gays is they're so unbelievably obnoxious. Case in point, you (if you're not just shitposting).


60b21b No.656408

>>648303

>Why is it found in nature so much?

Guess what else is found in nature a lot? Rape, murder, and disease. Just because something happens in nature doesn't mean it's good. We are meant to transcend our natural inclination and push ourselves to become like God.

Matthew 5:48

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


e6d9ce No.656412

>>647802

Consider moving from Japan. Earthquakes there are frequent.


27a32e No.659985

>>648303

>got waaay more bacteria

I'm sure you'd be a lot more scared of the billions of Lactobacillus acne on your face than just a million methicyllin resistant Staphylococcus aureus.


6455ba No.664926

>>647802

You have to realize that ultimately you're just mulling over supreme idiocy and what's really just disgusting behavior. Even if you like it, it's probably just because you're retarded.


1e62d9 No.665171

Why does God make people gay?


10eab9 No.665180

>>665171

…he doesn't?


1e62d9 No.665181

>>665180

That's really hard to believe, considering that the evidence basically shows that homosexuality is genetic.


10eab9 No.665186

>>665181

Genetic predisposition, due to error from the material world, does not eliminate agency. Even if there are passive factors that influence the choice to be homosexual, it is still a preference. One has, as thinking life, the choice to resist disharmonious impulses.


1e62d9 No.665189

>>665186

How long do you think you could resist the urge to eat?


3f813e No.665207

>>665189

All sin can be resisted through the unmerited grace of God. Eating is not sin, thought it can be sinful if disordered, just as homosexuality is a disorder of procreation.


6455ba No.665620

>>665181

Just what sort of genetic disposition is it though? Is it just sexual urges or romantic attraction to the same sex?

Whatever evidence you're referring to isn't conclusive by the way, because "homosexuality"

is obviously not genetic.


cbea86 No.665625

>>665181

yes and I am genetically predisposed to alcohol addiction

that doesn't mean you should encourage me to be an alcoholic




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