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>>644274

Yes

>>644276

Whats the point of sins then?

>>644274

>>644279

Not much of a theologian, but this is what I think they mean. We are pretty much screwed from the get go without His sacrifice because we sinned, sin, and will sin and booked our ticket to the eternal BBQ pit (the catch is we are the BBQ) already. And only through His Grace and faith in Him we can be absolved. It is not a free pass to sin so to speak, because sin is inherently bad; but it is kind of like an acceptance that due to our fallen nature we have sinned, sin, and will sin.

On the other hand. Faith and work seems to be like this. If you have faith then you automatically work the good work because of your faith in Him you will do His biddings and carry out His will.

Correct me if I am dead wrong.

>>644279

With Sola Fide they are more like guidelines

>>644280

>>644281

What is Cathodox view on sola fide?

>>644274

From my understanding of the doctrines, you can hardly reach a state of sinlessness. In Luthers opinion you loose your salvation, if you loose your faith. And sins - even more so when willingly commited - depart you from the Lord. For Luther grace is something that happens once, at baptism, and after that you rely on your faith to God.

Roman-Catholic teaching is, that men ought to cooperate with Gods grace. If they dont, they loose salvation, because they cant in fact believe anymore. This is complicated with mortal and venial sins. Mortal sins seperating from Gods grace, venial sins "only" seperating from Gods will (that all men should be holy).

Dont know anything about Orthodox view though.

>>644285

That it's the product of a false dichotomy between faith and works. Christians have performative duties which must be pursued to the best of our abilities for us to count ourselves among the faithful.

>>644274

Sola fide is the belief that after accepting the grace of salvation in Christ, the only thing that makes a man just, or the only evidence of him having accepted Christ, is his faith and anything else is not evidence of salvation.

Note that faith alone only exists in one place in scripture: James 2 24 "a man is justified by works not by faith alone". Faith alone justification was invented by Luther because he couldn't stop gravely sinning and tried to remove James from the bible and had " alone" inserted into Paul's letters and when questioned on this responded "it is my will that shall be this way and my will is reason enough" thus elevating himself to the position of God as his will supersedes God's will in what was put in the sacred scripture.

Faith alone is a strange heresy designed to make people leave the sacramental life of the Church and thus cut them self off from God

Seems like a question for Google unless you were intentionally looking for cathodox strawmen.

>>644297

Google is filled with to many complexed answers. The answers i gotten so far is written in a simple way that I can understand

Yes but it doesn't mean you should

>>644274

Absolutely not

Because if you have faith you would believe that God has changed you. You believe in God enough you heed his commands to:

> baptize the world in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit.

You believe in God enough to follow his Commandments. Anyone tells you that it's a free pass to sin is a darn liar and probably a sodomite sympathizer.

>>644318

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

>>644338

I never said you shouldn't do works. I said you don't have to.

>>644290

>In Luthers opinion you loose your salvation, if you loose your faith

I don't know if you are a native speaker, but you meant lose, brother.

>>644297

>2018

>not using Bing

>>644274

You are only saved by Christ's sacrifice on the cross and nothing that you do can ever add or take away from that. You are justified by faith alone, but if you are truly born again that means you are a new creature in Christ. You will grow in sanctification and strive to do what is pleasing in God's sight. That doesn't mean that you will always succeed, even a Christian still sins, but you will feel guilt and ask for His forgiveness, trying to be better.

>>644378

this

"If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong [or sin boldly], but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign. It suffices that through God’s glory we have recognized the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day. Do you think such an exalted Lamb paid merely a small price with a meager sacrifice for our sins? Pray hard for you are quite a sinner." - Martin Luther, 1521

tl;dr: Sin hard as winnie the pooh, dude, because it doesn't even matter haha just pray dude and sin as much as you can.

You can sin without the wrath of God, but you won't

>>644274

Sola fide on its own means complete faith and submission is the only thing that can save a human. A man who truly believes has his heart changed entirely, and in the fact he will never be good enough for salvation on his own, and that his reaching out to Jesus is the only thing that can save him.

>>644433

Please, educate yourself before talking about things you know nothing about.

Learn what grace and justification are.

>>644433

>complete faith and submission

No, this would be works righteousness.

>>644378

This

Having faith in what Jesus said is not the same as having faith in your own works or anything else. So it's more specific than just "faith." Your faith has to be on the blood and righteousness of the only begotten Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, as that's what he himself has said justifies before God. In order to have the one faith, you have to turn away from all other faiths, you have to forsake them. That's what it means by repent.

For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

2 Corinthians 5:21

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Philippians 3:8-9

Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

>>644378

Remember also Romans 7:22—

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

>>644274

Man or Rabbit?

CS paints a good picture.

[ https://youtu.be/X9fR1vSxNEQ ]

You are known.

You are seen.

You are loved.

There is nothing to fear.

>>644436

He's right, and your elitist and aloft response is the opposite of everything a Christian should be, humility is our central virtue.

I think you need to humble yourself.

>If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

>>644374

>Not duckduckgo

If you're worried about supporting a luciferian monopoly, Microsoft isn't a far sight better than Jewgle.

That being said I do use Bing because I'm lazy and prefer the format, and it is a little better than Google

>>644274

>James 2:26 - Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

>James 2:22 -You behold that [his] faith worked along with his works and by [his] works [his] faith was perfected

>James 2:24 YOU see that a man is to be declared righteous by works, and not by faith alone.

>Romans 2:13 - For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous.

>James 1:22 - However, become doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning.

>(James 2:19) You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.

>(Matthew 8:29) And, look! they screamed, saying: “What have we to do with you, Son of God? Did you come here to torment us before the appointed time?”

Abraham wasn't "wasn't considered right" before God. He was already counted as righteous but his faith in God was perfected by his deeds. It is DEMONSTRATIONS and DEEDS of faith that strengthen and perfect your faith. Same as how you BELIEVE that hitting the gym is salvation to the body but if you don't DEMONSTRATE and don't PRACTICE that belief it is nothing. You will be weak in body. Your faith without demonstrations and practice will be weakened in times of tribulation and confrontation. Look at the demons up above. They believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that faith in him saves. Yet why are they still counted as demons? Because their works are anti-Christ while believe IN Christ.

>>644279

If you're a child of God then you will be punished by God in this world for your sins. If you are not one with God but a child of the world, God will leave you alone, but when you die there's nobody there to take to you to heaven. You made your choice.