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Alcohol, tobacco and drugs Christanon 05/05/18 (Sat) 10:17:23 2b3bd4 No.643538

Fellow /Christians/

I was wondering if the use/abuse of the above named counts as sins of the flesh, or is sinful in any other way.

I have, mostly because of loneliness, a bit of a problem with substance abuse, mainly alcohol, but I have a history with other drugs too, I was addicted to strong opiates for 6 years. And I also smoke tobacco daily, although only a couple of cigarettes a day, I find it hard to quit.

On alcohol, I seem to remember Scripture at one points say that wine makes the hearts of men merry, and the fact that Our Lord chose it as the symbol for His blood I assume moderate use of wine is not a sin, but He also says drunkards will not reach Heaven. I drink a bit too much and this worries me. Where is the line drawn?

As for drugs, I assume most fall under pharmakeia? Or is that only when it is specifically being used for divining purposes?

For example, a kid taking Adderall, which is amphetamine? Of course I can see why amphetamines open doors to the demonic, they also make you very likely to masturbate, sinning against the 6th.

Christanon 05/05/18 (Sat) 10:27:46 944547 No.643540

>>643538

>I drink a bit too much and this worries me. Where is the line drawn?

I'd say when it starts to affect you health, worklife and/or social life, as that would mean you damage your body, succumb to sloth and loose compassion to others

Christanon 05/05/18 (Sat) 10:28:53 944547 No.643541

>>643540

And obviously when you actually become addicted, as that would mean you've made yourself a slave to alc.

Christanon 05/05/18 (Sat) 12:03:05 b7072f No.643560

>>643538

On a side note, what's the Christian position on Ibogaine? It's considered as an anti-drug and there's been reports of people recovering from addiction as short as a day. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17023388

However, to use this substance, one must undergo a brutal trance with their "inner-self" and experience unforgiving leg pains.

Christanon 05/05/18 (Sat) 23:43:11 090366 No.643804

>>643560

>dissociative psychedelic

Pharmakeia.

I am in favor of proper use of Amphetamines because they helped me before tremendously; though it is an incredibly dangerous drug, it has fairly simple and well understood pharmacology which allows for it to actually be used as medicine.

On the other hand the pharmacology of Ibogaine makes it seem like brain poison. It doesn't work in a precise manner it effects a wide range of neurotransmitters. Yeah it would produce a lot of effects that are purported, but I don't see how it can be controlled medicinally. I don't see a way to quantify dosing to get a certain medicinal effect because of how quickly neurotransmitter metabolisms alter themselves. You could take a dose and have an effect that seems like a wonder medicine and then have it be ineffective next dose or get sick/die after increasing the dose to seek the same effect. This is the kind of thing that fries people's brains and it seems to usually be done in the typical gay vague shamanistic manner; accompanied by the whole "wow dude life is amazing ibogaine SAVED me dude it changed my life" which to me just screams that it's severely winnie the pooh with neurotransmitters and shouldn't be interacted with lightly.

Christanon 05/06/18 (Sun) 06:34:03 911b23 No.643923

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>>643538

Remember OP, your body is a temple for the Holy Spirit to reside in.

>19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

>20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

>1Corinthians chapter 6

So taking and abusing drugs harms your body, thus desecrating your temple for the Holy Spirit. That and it is a distraction as it takes your mind off of God. You become a slave to your passion (lust).

Christanon 05/06/18 (Sun) 10:30:40 5f99e8 No.644007

If you can quit any of those things cold turkey without a problem than you're probably fine. If you struggle to stop than you are abusing the substance and should rid yourself of it.

Christanon 05/06/18 (Sun) 10:58:13 3e0e10 No.644016

>>643538

Alcohol is not a sin to use, but it is a sin to abuse (sin of drunkenness)

Tobacco damages the temple of God and can be seen as a sin.

Drugs damage the temple of God, but they also set you into an altered state which opens you up to demonic suggestion and can make it harder to tel if you're sinning or not since you're not totally with it.