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>it's a baptist false flags as a Catholic thread

What's ironic is you complain about Catholics praying the Rosary instead of reading the Bible, when the majority of the Rosary (half of the hail Mary and the Lord's prayer) comes straight from the Bible.

>>642121

This isn't a false flag…

Many people don't have much of a devotion to sacred scripture, and that isn't going to damn them to hell. You say yourself you don't have any particular devotion to Mary and I assume you don't have any devotions to any saints either, that's fine. That doesn't make you non-catholic, that just makes you a Catholic with a particular devotion to the Bible. Look at all the different saints and the different ways they expressed their faith and the different acts of good they did. There is a saint for almost every small expression of Christian faith, kings and peasants, martyrs and hermits, theologians and teachers, saints that translated the Bible and saints that could never even read. Please do not take the current modern trends of the Catholics you see around you as the full expression of Catholicism, it is so much deeper than that and there is a place in it for you.

>>642133

He probably doesn't even know the Jesus prayer, Kostas, keep your shitposts to yourself

>>642118

Reading the Bible is fine, just don't make up heresy

>>642128

>>642133

I suppose you're right.

>>642137

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

>>642118

>[…] And it really pisses me off […]

So you're angry that some people have a different approach to faith and devotion which is entirely in the valid boundaries of Church teachings ? Pray and ask yourself why it does make you angry. People hear bible readings from all over the place when they regularly go to Mass. Sure, reading the bible 10 minutes a day is not a big deal and very much encouraged, but maybe that is not their way - for whichever reasons you don't or cannot know ? Maybe they go to Mass every single day so they hear the whole of the bible over time over and over again, anyway ?

That's a lot of maybes and I agree that reading the bible for some minutes a day is a great and edifying thing - after all it's having conversation with God, like when you pray. But maybe the problem is that you think you're a bit better than these other people.

>I used to be very into it, going to Mass all of the time, confession every week, doing all the devotions, reading the Church Fathers, etc.

I don't know you background, but from my perspective it sounds like you did way too much - too much for a normal person with a normal life - and you're angry at others because they don't put as much effort into the faith as you did. Something along the lines of

>I'M DOING SO MUCH AND THEY DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO DO IT LIKE ME. AFTER ALL IT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM WHEN EVEN I CAN DO IT.

The caps is for exaggeration. Again, I don't know you, I don't know your friends, and I cannot and I must not judge the situation. Hence, you must explore why you are angry at others trying to do good but lack making time for bible readings etc. in prayer.

What I would do in your case - especially since you grew "apathetic" to the faith and the Church (as you make it seem from the thread title and your post) - is to pray the Compline every evening. When you fully open up to God in prayer, He can help you see what "drives" you. See also >>642128.

>>642118

I'm a Catholic and I agree with some points. I wish all Catholics had read the bible but I pin this on crap apathetic catechism and parents post v2. 15 mins of bible reading grants a plenary indulgence and the Church loves reading the bible and the pillar of sacred infallible scripture. Benedictines do lectio divina which is awesome. I personally prefer scripture reading as my personal devotion right now rather than the rosary (because I haven't finished the OT yet) and I think it would be great if others did so too but I cannot fault anyone for praying the rosary as the world needs it and it is powerful.

But it is best to focus on your own zeal not others, especially if you feel you are becoming apathetic, then you are the problem not others. But your devotion too scripture is amazing and incredibly Catholic so keep it up.

That's because you have a good foundation and most people don't want to enter in biblical discussions. They are arid and fruitless 99% of the times. Also it's a dangerous way, because "I know better than the rest".

For most people, the Gospel is more than enough. To be fair, it's self sufficient. And, nobody forces you to pray the Rosary pal. Go recite the psalms.

>>642118

>3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God.

Straight from the Vatican: http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

nuChristanity is heresy. But if you don't take the Pope's teaching on it to heart, you aren't a Catholic friendo.

>>642238

It's a melting pot of weasel words but there is nothing false in that statement.

>>642244

>they adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth

>the same God that says beating women is okay

<totally theologically sound guis

>>642247

>because we worship and confess the same God though in diverse forms and daily praise and adore Him as the creator and ruler of this world.

>modalism

>>642248

It doesn't say their theology is correct

>>642244

But it's incredibly ambiguous. Are Muslims saved or not? If they die today, do they go to heaven or hell?

If you read just that passage, you get the impression that Muslims are just okay and don't have to turn to Christ. They are already submitting to God, just in their own way even if they have some wrong ideas & practices.

>>642255

You're not disagreeing with me

>>642265

How exactly does anything here say they don't believe in God? Their religion is obviously false and evil and won't help them in getting saved, true. But this isn't the subject of this discussion.

Brother, when was the last time you partook of the Eucharist?

>>642265

Then what about Jews?

>>642118

> I've really started to read and study the Bible.

To study the Bible is to become Catholic. Study harder or better yet, read commentaries from those who know better than you. Humble thyself.

>And it really pisses me off to know how little Catholics even read the Bible but are so focused on other kinds of devotions

And one twelfth of first bishops were damned and one seventh of first deacons heretics. Mystical body is not about quality of members but quality of herself.

>Bible maybe like once a month and they can't even tell me what Gospel the saying "I am the way and the truth and the life" are from…

And? This knowledge is not necessary. You think you boast in Christ but you boast in your own mind and memory.

>yet they pray the Rosary everyday and read the catechism more often

Rosary is gospel in a nutshell and ask albigensians if it works. Also, if you think that you don't need proper catechesis then you are downright dumb.

>Sometimes I feel like people focus on Our Lady too much.

Focus on our Lady is focus on her son. She is called Mirror of Justice for this very reason. You cannot have Christ without her Mother, nor can you have Mother of Christ without Christ.

>but devotions take away from Bible study

Devotions are better bible study than any bible study.

>I prefer to read the Bible rather than the Catechism or Church Fathers.

And you read and read and yet read not. Sad.

>I prefer to now pray to Christ rather than reciting to Rosary.

And this is how we know that it either a false flag or pure idiocy for even the little kids know that Rosary is Christocentric prayer.

>>642370

>Rosary is gospel in a nutshell

This is what papists actually believe

>>642296

Better a table than a trash can

>>642388

You do know that Rosary is meditation about key points (mysteries) of gospel right?

>go to mass: 2-3 passages from the bible read

>read the catechism: catholic doctrine explained with scripture references

>pray the rosary: meditate on the events of the gospel

<B-B-BUT C*THOLICS HATE THE BIEBEL!!11

>>642397

You are obviously acting very Christ-like my Catholic friend. I am sure many who meditate also have fits of rage.

Why have non believers infiltrated our board?

>>642370

>You cannot have Christ without her Mother, nor can you have Mother of Christ without Christ.

And where in the Bible is this? Last I recall Jesus says no one can have the Father without the Son, but it never says anything about Mary. Where does the Bible says, "You must go through Mary to go through the Son to get to the Father"????

>>642432

>gently flog fellow circumcised jews with a kosher rope

>tell them that they should go to europe instead

>meanwhile come across as antisemite so the goyim accept you even harder

>>642396

>Hail Mary

>gospel

lol

You know, I've been thinking about becoming Orthodox lately guys.

I feel like the Orthodox don't completely throw out spirituality like many Protestants do, but I also feel like they're more Christ-Gospel centered and not distracted by vain repetitions that take focus away from Christ and his teachings.

Also, the Catholic Church feels like too much of an institution, with the Pope lording over everyone. I know things have gotten better today but the Pope is literally the king of a country yet Christ tells us to be separate from the world. The Pope even used to wear a tiara like a king! Orthodox bishops seem more humble and more like they're serving in a hospital for the spiritually sick rather than a worldly institution. Just look at the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople!

Also, the Orthodox still have the Eucharist, and believe Christ is really there too, and they also have confession, and still have a sense of spirituality and a solid foundation and claim. They also still have Our Lady, yet they don't over do it like Roman Catholics….

What should I do guys?

>>642118

'Studying' the Bible was never a Catholic thing. The priests used to teach the people and instruct them. In my opinion, praying the divine office, for example, is of more use than reading the Bible. What exactly are you studying? Do you even know the stance of other Apostolic Churches towards this 'study'? Their stance has always been that Christianity is about oral tradition and teaching, not a literary study. Because without an objective authority, how can you be sure about what a line means? Protestants may say it's clear what it means, but they themselves have thousands of interpretations.

When St Paul visited a town and established a new missionary community there, he did not leave a copy of the Bible and invite the new Christians to read it for themselves and decide what it meant.

We are not to pick up Scripture and ask what we think it means, nor listen to the interpretation of someone outside the Orthodox and Apostolic Church. But we are to ask ourselves how the Church has always understood the Scripture, and what it has always taught as the substance and content of our Faith, and in such a way we will be rooted in the Apostolic Faith for our salvation.

>>642455

This meme is getting out of hand

>>642466

>Because without an objective authority, how can you be sure about what a line means?

That's what I'd like to ask you, since you go around claiming that the Holy Spirit is insufficient for this role as the authority.

John 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:13-14

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

>>642492

prots should just convert to islam they are garbage tier

>>642492

protestanism is a jewish religion made for the jews. go worship your jew masters

>>642455

>hey also still have Our Lady, yet they don't over do it like Roman Catholics….

HAHAHAHAH

they are nuts about the theotokos

you're a stupid prot who thinks otherwise

honestly it's 99.99% because of anti catholic bias that's seeped in america and the west that prots become ortholarpers

>>642450

>Incarnation is not in the Bible.

>>642492

>Prayer=worship

>>642455

This is too much.

Basically your draw to the EOC is emotional and aesthetic. You don't seem interested in the Truth, just what looks good.

Also "not distracted by vain repetitions" lel. I'm not a prot, and I don't consider the Rosary and the Jesus Prayer to be vain repetitions in the least, but if you thought saying 50 Hail Marys a day was insufferable, just wait until your spiritual director assigns you 3,000 Jesus prayers to say a day.

>What should I do guys?

I'd suggest going away and actually reading up on what you are talking about.

>>642456

>I don't know what you're talking about but okay.

The supposed antisemitism and basenedness of Jesus in the context of being anti jewish is extremely overrated and overblown.

>>642579

>Praying to God and asking his mother to pray for us is vain babbling

Protestant can't into logic. Those who can begome catholic

>>642455

>I feel like the Orthodox don't completely throw out spirituality like many Protestants do, but I also feel like they're more Christ-Gospel centered and not distracted by vain repetitions that take focus away from Christ and his teachings.

I don't know what that's supposed to mean, but if you're ignoring Christ and his teachings, you're doing something wrong.

>The Pope even used to wear a tiara like a king!

Orthodox bishops all wear crowns to this day. Are you trolling?

>Orthodox bishops seem more humble and more like they're serving in a hospital for the spiritually sick rather than a worldly institution. Just look at the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople!

Is this true of the patriarch of Constantinople, who has traditionally enjoyed the support of the Turkish government, more so than Catholic bishops under attack by Islamic militants Boko Haram in Nigeria or ISIS in Iraq? Or Catholic bishops holding firm under oppressive regimes like England, France, Mexico or China? Likewise, if you don't think that the Orthodox Church has its own politics and vying for power, you are naive.

>Also, the Orthodox still have the Eucharist, and believe Christ is really there too, and they also have confession, and still have a sense of spirituality and a solid foundation and claim. They also still have Our Lady, yet they don't over do it like Roman Catholics….

Orthodox have Marian devotions too, and the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom has more references to Mary than the Roman liturgy.

>>642296

Bearing false witness, sacred scripture is a pillar of faith so a three legged stool should be the picture