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File: 345b407477f989a⋯.png (563.82 KB, 749x299, 749:299, luther or bugnini.png)

d87a80 No.641563

Now that the dust has settled, who did more damage to the Roman Catholic Church?

Martin Luther, or Cardinal Annibale Bugnini?

200706 No.641593

File: f377150a0df3c3f⋯.jpg (44.55 KB, 250x196, 125:98, 233826a67be66a810b23a26323….jpg)

Martin Luther for sure otherwise supposedly bugnini wouldn't have had any prots to collaborate with


9adc12 No.641600

Luther. All we have about Bugnini is character defamation and some bunk about him being a freemason, in addition to trad-sperg tears.


99e49b No.641641

>>641563

> who did more damage to the Roman Catholic Church?

The Jews and the Catholic elite themselves, but specifically the Jews. It is always the Jews.


66cf81 No.641716

>>641563

Neither, the Medici and Borgia families did the most damage. Luther dindu nuffin XD


96b123 No.641721

I feel like the Bible probably did the most

;)


206503 No.641728

It wasn't Luther it was Kings and rulers who wished to be lawless and practice adultery without anyone criticizing them.


99c695 No.641737

>>641600

>3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

Progressive apostolics YES!


f79a90 No.641790

>>641563

Pope Paul VI because he approved and promulgated all of the modernism. He's worse than Pope Francis Imo.


3a5174 No.641795

File: bae206d597b7fcc⋯.jpg (51.46 KB, 615x488, 615:488, 63bc4e329e12db923fc6b57dcb….jpg)

>>641563

The one in charge of protecting it.


250c39 No.641817

>>641563

Annibale Bugnini hands down. The rise of Protestantism was inevitable in the modern era due to the rise of liberalism and secularism and political trends of the time. The Protestant Reformation would have happened even if Luther never existed. Bugnini, on the other hand, did not weaken the Church by creation of heretical sects that understood themselves as non-Catholics. Instead he destroyed the patrimony of the Catholic Church so that even Catholics can no longer enjoy the Church's traditional liturgy. Bugnini didn't work alone. We would have liturgical "reforms" by people like Pope Pius XII without Bugnini. But the 20th century liturgical reforms were much more centralized and carried out by a much smaller group of people.


2ac6a6 No.641829

>>641795

>not fearing the Almighty

Typical c*Tholic


3a5174 No.641832

>>641829

Shoo shoo, protty boy.


96d686 No.642636

>>641832

uh oh, he’s right. better call him a prot


c90903 No.642638

>>641829

>not understanding that she fears bad Catholics exactly because she fears what God will do to them for being lukewarm and not defending orthodoxy

Typical p*rot


9adc12 No.642647

>>641737

muslims are a christian heresy, so they do technically worship God, as much as the Jews do

the document nowhere claims they follow Christ, the only true way, however


a0fdd8 No.642649

>>641563

>Now that the dust has settled, who did more damage to the Roman Catholic Church?

The question is not who, but what.

Missionary faiths require eternal maintenance, especially if they're monotheistic AND claim to be the one true faith.

Every little problem causes ripples.

That's why Christians today STILL have to deal with even the most "brainlet" questions like "if god gud why there bad stuff".

It's been almost two thousand years and the problems never stop because they are built into the basics.


ed3202 No.642667

>>641563

>who did more damage to the Roman Catholic Church?

>Martin Luther, or Cardinal Annibale Bugnini?

It is for sure martin luther who did more damage not only to the catholics, but also christians world wide. As luther continued the forced introduction of the age of enlightement into members of the church by the (((babylonians))). His leaveness reason is logical, but was not of faith and anything not of faith is sin romans 14:23.


caa92c No.642672

>>642647

>implying we worship (((satan)))

This is your brain on catholicism


9adc12 No.642674

>>642672

make up more lies about the Church of Christ, we'll see how it pays off


29be9f No.642744

>>642647

>so they do technically worship God

No they worship Allah who commands violent subjugation of the world. To equate the two is either ignorance or willful blindness as in >>641737


caa92c No.642748

File: d821b76ca52e521⋯.jpg (10.64 KB, 291x173, 291:173, images (8).jpg)

>>642674

(((Man, if only that Jesus just listened to us he would still be alive. If only he would stop telling lies about us, doesn't he know we can trace our succession all the way to Moses himself? Truly he is boiling hell)))


3f0246 No.642828

>>642667

Catholic church fell after trying so hard to get the pagans in changing for them, its not the church it should be.


200706 No.642943

>>642748

>Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples: “The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

The Priests and Bishops sit in Peter's seat. So practice and observe everything they tell you.


9adc12 No.642945

>>642748

oy vey, the catholic church is full of bad goys who have subjugated jews for centuries! listen to your protestant pastors and war for israel!


10b0c3 No.643023

File: 71422fa52cc893b⋯.jpg (135.51 KB, 874x583, 874:583, web-pope-john-paul-ii-kiss….jpg)


10b0c3 No.643026

>>643023

woops, meant to reply to >>641737


2bafb6 No.643303

>>642945

t. Never seen Marching to Zion


569e1b No.643309

File: 99636176212472b⋯.jpg (37.98 KB, 498x750, 83:125, 116.jpg)

>>643023

https://bloggerpriest.com/2010/08/29/why-did-pope-john-paul-ii-kiss-the-koran/

>Whoever knows the Old and New Testaments, and then reads the Koran, clearly sees the process by which it completely reduces Divine Revelation. It is impossible not to note the movement away from what God said about Himself, first in the Old Testament through the Prophets, and then finally in the New Testament through His Son. In Islam all the richness of God's self-revelation, which constitutes the heritage of the Old and New Testaments, has definitely been set aside. Some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the God of the Koran, but He is ultimately a God outside of the world, a God who is only Majesty, never Emmanuel, God-with-us. Islam is not a religion of redemption. There is no room for the Cross and the Resurrection. Jesus is mentioned, but only as a prophet who prepares for the last prophet, Muhammad. There is also mention of Mary, His Virgin Mother, but the tragedy of redemption is completely absent. For this reason not only the theology but also the anthropology of Islam is very distant from Christianity. Nevertheless, the religiosity of Muslims deserves respect. It is impossible not to admire, for example, their fidelity to prayer. The image of believers in Allah who, without caring about time or place, fall to their knees and immerse themselves in prayer remains a model for all those who invoke the true God, in particular for those Christians who, having deserted their magnificent cathedrals, pray only a little or not at all.


22b8cc No.643311

>>643309

>the richness of God's self-revelation

It's just his private interpretation


9adc12 No.643452

>>643311

>In Islam all the richness of God's self-revelation, which constitutes the heritage of the Old and New Testaments, has definitely been set aside

…definitely set aside.

you liar, it's right there and you calumniate the man


2bafb6 No.643455

File: 5e8d7dce36801fa⋯.jpg (48.73 KB, 480x409, 480:409, 18e3d2b29bff2d2fa41ea29b2a….jpg)

>>643309

Let me get this straight, the Pope admits Islamic-moon demon isn't God but still kisses the Koran and praises the muslims' devoutness to their moon demon…and you caths still don't see the problem?


fa6704 No.643458

File: 64cab8651c4c9c4⋯.jpg (119.13 KB, 600x613, 600:613, oh-look-its-this-bait-the-….jpg)

>>641563

>Cardinal Annibale Bugnini

Facts that I've never even heard of this guy …

>who did more damage to the Roman Catholic Church?

I would argue Luther didn't do damage to the Catholic Church.

So protestantism became a thing. And? You really think that the world would not still have independent churches? The Anglicans split, so why wouldn't a Swedish or German National Catholic Church have appeared?

< mfw I realise I'm trying to talk reason in a bait thread


ec2675 No.643462

>>643458

I been there dude. It seems like there's a lot of these on here compared to some of the other boards.


9adc12 No.643469

>>643458

>I would argue Luther didn't do damage to the Catholic Church.

He led generations of christians away from the Church, and his anti-Catholic ideology paved the way for people like Louis VIII to throw out the Church and have priests/nuns murdered.

that's serious damage.

read a history book.


40dbba No.643600

>>641563

>Luther

>not the clergy and pope who profaned scripture and founded a cash for heaven scheme

I have bad news for you…


70620d No.643668

>>643458

Nice image, baptist-homo




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