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49fa8b No.636986

What do you find sort of…peculiar about the Renaissance paintings of the Crucifixion? There's something I just don't like about them, I find them really unaesthetic, they seem to trivialize the significance of the event of the Crucifixion. Calvary isn't easily visualized, it's in a way exaggeratedly realistic to the point of minimizing the Atonement. I find it really horrible.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Renaissance_paintings_of_Crucifixion_of_Christ

What's your opinion on it and why do you think this is the case? Since I don't know my history, probably Christ was held in low regard back in the Renaissance or something, I'm not sure. (Not as bad as modern art though, because that's downright insulting.)

Extrapolate your onions

t. not a snob

361577 No.636993

>>636986

Maybe because they're all wearing Renaissance clothing? Always looked goofy to me when artists would do that.

>probably Christ was held in low regard back in the Renaissance

wat


4f4c22 No.636994

File: f26ec362368d223⋯.jpg (628.01 KB, 1920x1490, 192:149, Rogier van der Weyden.jpg)

>>636986

>Christ held in low opinion during renaissance

Wew

No, you just have got yourself an unaesthetic painting, which looks trivial. See pic related


49fa8b No.636995

>>636993

I don't know my history, like I said ;_;. I still don't get why it looks so 'simple' though. One would expect this event to look different.

Is there any particular reason for this style? Historical background? It's even kind of slightly unnerving/uncanny.


361577 No.636996

>>636995

Some artists were good, others sucked. Patrons got the art they were willing to pay for.


4f4c22 No.636998

File: 8445fe6dbb78f9e⋯.jpg (410.28 KB, 800x1770, 80:177, Paul the Apostle.jpg)

>>636995

It was a style choice to bring the biblical narrative into the present day. It is not always followed, more frequently the characters are put in what is ultimately Greek clothing. Reflecting the style of the 1st century.


362488 No.637082

File: be84be21eeb56d9⋯.jpg (152.69 KB, 1087x764, 1087:764, jesus.jpg)

I have a kind of distaste for late Medieval and Renaissance depictions of the Crucifixion in general.

The thing is a lot of the work is idealised and tame, and often based along Classicised forms. In Iconography and in early Medieval work there is a kind of simplisitc brutality in these scenes, but as time goes on and art becomes more specialised and desirable by the aristocracy, the work becomes toned down and decorative, for the purposes of "good taste" which, as far as I am concerned, renders the effect Sacrifice null. It blunts its force. We ought to be pretty much sickened at the sight of this our Lord, hanging, physically ruined and disfigured, exhausted, because of what we have done. In a lot Crucifixion scenes He just seems to be mildly put out or taken in some kind of ecstasy.

I also seriously think that this is something Gibson did right with the Passion. It might not be the most realistic depiction, but it's certainly closer to the mark than anything Reubens or Velazquez came out with. You can also tell by the fact that many lukewarms and anti-Christians, when seeing this film, were completley blindsided by the violence of it and, not knowing how to react properly or process what they had just seen, dismissed it as being pure "torture porn".

Also, question for art buffs - does anyone have any idea why the theives are often depicted with their hands bound behind the patibulum,and often just with ropes, not nails, or behind their heads? Was this for some theological or just stylistic reason? It's a style I've seen a lot, but I have never found a reason why.


76866f No.637084

The Renaissance was the birth of humanism so Renaissance art emphasized the humanity of Christ.


4f4c22 No.637272

>>637082

>does anyone have any idea why the theives are often depicted with their hands bound behind the patibulum,and often just with ropes, not nails, or behind their heads?

What you see in paintings is the many varieties of capital punishment techniques, many of which were still being used at the time the painters were working. It basically came down to a bunch of choices depending on how slow, or how quick and painful death was to be.

The reason for the ropes is because the other two were just robbers


af299a No.637318

>>637082

>Also, question for art buffs - does anyone have any idea why the theives are often depicted with their hands bound behind the patibulum,and often just with ropes, not nails, or behind their heads? Was this for some theological or just stylistic reason?

There two reasons. First is that with fall of pagan Rome "art" of crucifixion was lost. People knew how Cross of Christ looked like and that he was crucified so that he was in "Y" shape but they have no idea if it was done to all or if it was accident of history.

Second is simple iconography. Artist wanted to distinguish Christ from thieves. And thieves from eachother. Dismas is depicted as calm with posture full of hope in Christ while Gestas is animal-like and proudful.


bb83de No.637345

Pitirim Sorokin provides a lot of information regarding the art subjects throughout history. He classifies the renaissance as being a mix of the metaphysical inclination of the Middle ages and the empirical inclination of the sensory phases (which prevailed in modernity and periods like hellenistic Greece-imperial Rome until the middle ages)

Having both metaphysical and empirical inclinations, the renaissance focus on the idealization of a hero through his virtues instead of a more symbolic/suprasensory approach.

I highly recommend Sorokin's historical typology if one wants to understand the spirit of the time throughout human history.


a5a30c No.637353

I hate when roman soldiers are wearing full plate fluted armour, its like painting the crucifixion with Navy SEALs or Spetsnaz.


362488 No.637547

>>637318

>>637272

Interesting, thank you both for your answers.

Humble sage.


4f4c22 No.637722

>>637318

Saging also just not to clutter stuff up, but crucifixion was actually common practice right through to the middle ages


af299a No.637788

>>637722

Are you sure? I am more than sure that it was not done. First, because sons of Rome were Christians by time and they would not do that. Second is that in contemporary art Crucifixion is depicted inacuretlly (i.e. nails in palms and not wrists).


2f2403 No.638309

File: 092ac88524d6b2a⋯.jpg (134.78 KB, 1136x801, 1136:801, retable d'issenheim.jpg)

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