/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>Secularized society

Those shouldn't exist. Period.

>>634326

I agree with you on this, but unfortunately I live in one, although we celebrate Christian holidays as public holidays, but many people seem to have problem with it, arguing that it takes away their "freedom of choice"

>>634330

>live in uber secularist Australia

>most of my coworkers are immigrants

>easter holiday upcomming

<i'm going to visit my family

<we're going on a trip to queensland

<catch up on sleep

<i'm going to church

Literally nobody is upset by this in the real world. Who doesn't want a free holiday?

>>634330

Can you give more details of these people?

I refuse to believe someone autistic enough exists to use that argument without ulterior motive. I mean, I'd imagine cutting down on the minor celebrations if there where already a ton of recognized holidays (that is a problem in some countries), but still.

Are they of a different religion/culture?

>>634330

I am in no means a debater, but I'd ask if they felt it were just for a workplace to ban Muslims from praying at the times they need to. The holidays are a period meant to allow people time to become closer to their god/gods and families, and although we call them the Christmas holidays or Easter holidays, there are actually several religions that have their holy days during the same period. If that fails, ask why they hate the idea of mandatory vacations, for they harm nobody but those who seek to be offended by them.

>>634326

fpbp

>>634324

There's a difference between a secular society and an irreligious society.

A secular society has a *separation* between church and state. This doesn't mean the state must not recognise any form of religion, it just means the state has the flexibility to reject religion where it wants too. It need not reject all aspects of religion, e.g. religious holidays.

An irreligious society would reject all religion without any flexibility.

>>634396

OP here :Basically, on days like Great Friday we have holidays as usual, but they feel "opressed" because if they aren't religious, they would like to work on that day, and the most common argument is that "on such days, it should be up to the store owner whether he wants to open or not under the circumstance of 100% increase of the wage on that day and a choice of going to the work (if you are Christian you don't have to)" I debated this with my friend and the only arguments I had were that in the constitution it's stated that we "uphold spiritual traditions", then that based on the demographics (I live in Slovakia) we have signed a concordat with Vatican, and that under his conditions (above mentioned) what would differentiate between a normal day from a holiday

>>634651

>Slovakia

All of Europe is doomed huh. this is sad.

>An irreligious society would reject all religion without any flexibility.

Feels like it all becoming that way

>>634324

secular societies tend to fawn over "democracy" so if the mob wants its holidays it gets its holidays, regardless of their source.

secular societies tend to be culture destroyers, people get alienated form their roots and lack identity, national holidays help maintain some sort of national identity for people.

Religious holidays are a sin and should not be observed by anyone.

>>635400

>tfw Christmas is a sin

>tfw Chrst rising is a sin

>tfw /christian/ knows you are full of shit

Gee, I wonder who can be behind this post.

>>634651

Žiješ v Bratislave? Ak áno, potom sa nečuduj, že ľudia okolo teba autisticky škriekajú, keď počujú slovo Vianoce alebo Veľká Noc, na východe s tým nikto nemá problém.

t. východniar

>>635407

<tfw Christmas is a sin

>xmas, a holiday of cutting a tree down and decking it with ornaments of pseudo silver and gold then nailing it down to be upright in a home or outside it

Jeremiah 10:1-6

>HEAR ye the word which the LORDspeaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

>Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

>For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

>They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

>They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

>Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.

I think you meant to say,

>a pagen holiday to celebrate yule that was taken over by (((them))) to sell more cheap chink shitware that falls apart in 1-2 years and doesn't do ya any use in harvest time for growing food nor to edify other christians

>>635467

Decorations and making idols are two different things

>>635407

You can't watch this and tell me it isn't eerily similar to Christmas

>>635610

>idol worship

>social order dissolved for lulz

>feasting

>bloodsports

>endless partying

Yes, eerily similar to Christmas.

>>635467

>Christmas trees are idols!

Yeah sure buddy.

>>635610

Wipe this meme from the face of the earth

>>635467

>Jeremiah 10:1-6

Why do people just assume that this passage is referring to wholesale cutting down a tree and then placing it in ones' front room just as it is? It's clearly a reference to actual sculpted idols, like the Hebrew teraphim which would be carved out of wood then coated with gold or silver or jewels.

Also, the point it's making is that it's just as ludicrous, because regadless of whether or not you are worshipping a wooden idol or a tree itself, you are worshipping the creature rather than the Creator.

>Jews took over an irrelevant pagan holiday to sell stuff to the Goyim, even though the season of Advent is historically associated with fasting and repentance

Galaxybrain.jpg

>>635610

>eerily similar to Christmas

Only the gift giving is similar to Christmas.

>>635650

>>idol worship

>>feasting

>>endless partying

Don't pretend these aren't part of Christmas

>>635689

They're not. Try again.

Maybe they shouldn't. Make the society notice who has to separate, and force us to choose to separate on those days.

>>635451

Som ani nečakal že tu stretnem slováka. Hej, žijem v Bratislave celý život, ale až v poslednej dobe som začal počúvať tieto argumenty typu: "Však žijeme v sekulárnom štáte, nech sa zamestnávateľ rozhodne či chce mať otvorené cez sviatky." Pomaly ale isto to sem ide :/ ale aspoň sa dajú v Bratislave stále nájsť kostoly ktoré slúžia tridentskú omšu.

>>635671