/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>630430

Many are called, but few are chosen

>>630432

Is not that related to the Parable of the Wedding Feast? For many are invited, but few has chosen to come.

I also had a dream recently about this. Christians were being taken to camps and I was asked if I would be among them.

>>630432

I heard this bible verse in my dream as well

>>630430

Even Peter denied Christ thrice, anon

>>630435

>>630438

Seems I worded my thread very poorly. By averting the fate in the dreams, I mean I look for a way out of the armys blockade and the flames surrounding the place and escape; not denying my faith. They are beyond asking question at the point in my dream and torch the school and anything that moves that is not them.

>>630443

inb4 hurting the army by "look for a way out of the armys blockade". To put simply. "Sneak. Out.".

>>630443

A person who attempts to elude martyrdom might be "thoroughly screwed" depending on whether they might harm another person or not in their escape. If they just attempt to save themselves, but do not harm others, they might as well be saved, since they'll just be regular people who otherwise follow the commandments, but didn't have the will to sacrifice themselves for others. The passages that come to my mind are Mark 10:17-19 and Matthew 19:16-18, which indicate that following the commandments is sufficient for salvation. Someone might correct me on this. But even saints aren't under obligation to suffer whatever harm comes their way, unless it is unavoidable given their divinely ordained mission to further the salvation of men. Otherwise, Peter shouldn't have escaped from prison, as in Acts 12:5-18, and lived on to preach another day. And neither would have Jesus told the apostles to flee from persecution and follow on preaching, as in Matthew 10:23.

But if somehow your escape violates divine will, if your escape is a willful rebellion against God and and a threat to the life and salvation of others, then you might be pretty fucked.

>>630430

I don't think it's a sin to want to save yourself anon. If however you flee persecution and this endangers others or makes things worse for them - then you might be in trouble.

>"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. -John 15:13

I wouldn't mind being martyred, but being tortured beforehand would suck. Martyrdom isn't something I'd seek out. You should avoid martyrdom if you can, as long as you aren't throwing anyone else under the bus.

>>630430

>you run from it, are you thoroughly screwed then?

I was a soldier for a long time. I've pretty much decided for myself, that were I ever put in such a situation, I'd die fighting, and try to take as many with me as I could. Sounds spiteful, but I've always had a bit of a "I kill one, that's one less shooting at someone else, I kill two, that's two less" attitude about such things. As for running away? If it was the most effective option, then I would.

>>630658

I like the way this guy thinks. At some point, we will have to resist the forces of modernity violently.

>>630430

For me personally, when i never committed to any of these issues, i was like any secularist that just would turn away from death/fear it. But when you read about many of the early Martyrs in rome, and can really have faith then you'll be willing to go for it. Also personally, if you haven't you need to put on the full armor and the faith of Christendom, convert to Orthodoxy, and if possible go to your local orthodox church and get baptised.

Also orthodox music, and their pics always help me there's just something true and mystical about how our eastern brothers practice their faith.