/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>630226

Best advice i can give is to seek help in catholic chuches (i don't know much about protestans but maybe they are ok too).

I live in Europe and here, chatolic churches have attached to them the house where the priests and the nuns live. Some chatolic churches also have rooms for guests aswell.

My advice is to first save some money that will at least allow you to travel america (i suppose u are american).

Second step is to talk to a priest at the nearest church u have and ask him wheter the catholic church can help you. If not try protestants.

Third step , if given green light and have a work place guaranteed (where you will be told to go) leave your parents.

You are part of a sect now. Nothing good can come out of it.

Ask anything you want but note that i am not an expert.

What kind of questions do you have?

Don't you find it weird that JW never existed for nearly 1800 years since Christianity was founded, and the supposed Armageddon never happened when it was predicted?

Stopped reading after "I was raised by a single mom."

Grow up, and find a real church kid.

>>630226

Glad to welcome you !

I think anyone would be glad to answer any question you can have on "mainstream" christianity.

"Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And as a man's enemies shall be they of his own household. "

No one said that finding the Truth was an easy path, anon.

Here's the basic declaration of faith.

We believe in one God,

the Father, the Almighty,

Maker of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,

the only Son of God,

eternally begotten of the Father,

God from God, Light from Light,

true God from true God,

begotten, not made, consubstantial

of one Being with the Father.

Through him all things were made.

For us men and for our salvation

he came down from heaven,

and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,

and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;

he suffered death and was buried.

On the third day he rose again

in accordance with the Scriptures;

he ascended into heaven

and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,

and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,

who proceeds from the Father and the Son. (*)

With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.

He has spoken through the Prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

We look for the resurrection of the dead,

and the life of the world to come. Amen.

( * This part depends on whether you're Orthodox or Catholic. Catholic say "and the son", Ortho don't).

>>630238

Should probably explain a little more.

Since your father isn't present to protect your mother from this cult, you NEED to take up that role. At least get into a Trinitarian denom.

>>630238

Not very charitable anon. If it were a single mother posting, by all means give her shit for being a worthless degenerate, but the kid can't help who his parents are. Second line is great advice though.

>>630238

What was the point in posting this?

>>630242

>>630245

Sorry i see the addendum now, I assumed you were just being insulting for the sake of it

>>630246

>Sorry i see the addendum now

Same.

>>630239

>>630241

>>630235

Thanks guys. I am really hoping and praying that I can get out of this somehow.

So, how many churches are there and which one is best to join?

Also, is John 1:1 supposed to be "the Word was God" or "the Word was a god"? I did some research online but it didn't really help answer the question. I don't know Greek tbh.

>>630238

My dad died when I was only a few months old. I think part of the reason why my mom became a JW was because it helped her in her grief.

>>630248

>Also, is John 1:1 supposed to be "the Word was God" or "the Word was a god"?

See >>630244

Chrstians say the former, unitarians the latter. They each have their reasons, I haven't looked into it myself and just take it on authority, but it would be wise to look into them considering this is an issue for you. Yt probably has vids if you're research hasn't helped so far.

>>630252

I'm sorry to hear that, my first post might have been a little harsh.

But as I said here >>630242 you need to convert for her sake even if she shuns you.

>>630248

Word was God

>>630248

>how many churches are there

Only one, but there's way too many denominations.

>which one is best to join?

Orthodox.

>>630258

I know the pope leads the Roman Catholic church and they're for works salvation while Protestants are for faith? Eastern Orthodox I know nothing about other than that they're mostly Russian and have fancy rituals. What's the difference between Lutheran and Baptist Protestants?

>>630226

>I don't want to break ties with my family for Jesus.

I understand the sentiment, but remember:

<If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Luke 14:26

<"For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother."

Mark 3:35

Blood family doesn't matter; those that do the will of Christ with us are our family

>>630261

>Orthodox

Why?

>>630264

Many reasons but the theology mostly.

>>630267

What part of the theology?

>>630270

I would say the Orthodox doctrine on salvation.

>>630226

Hello former brother (or sister.)

I'm an ex-witness. I'm going to keep this short. Stay away from the Catholics and any of the Carter-esque "Born again" churches. IF you want to remain a Christian, for whatever reason, (I'm guessing simply that like me, it's all you knew) try a protestant church.

The Organization Jehovah's Witnesses vary from church to church, but for the most part are alright people. But as a whole, the church sucks, and is full of shit (pardon the language, I understand this is a Christian board.

The only thing I can say is you made a mistake by allowing yourself to be baptized, because if you leave the church, you'll be disfellowshiped, which in a far worse punishment than simple catholic style ex-communication. But, in a sad way, it's the only way you'll ever truly be free, and if your family AT ALL cares about your well being, they'll ignore the nonsense doctrines an embrace your decisions as your own in due time.

I'm sorry for what you're going through, I truly am. Because being a Witness is a fate worse than death. Almost worse than Mormonism.

>>630271

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYZsHLZPWZY

>>630273

>Almost worse than Mormonism.

made me smile

>>630226

If you go into the world there will be serious consequences…

>>630258

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>>630244

The Sahidic Coptic text uses the indefinite article. Fact of the matter is that it's a valid translation as evidence by early translations of the Greek into other languages.

>>630252

Hi OP, >>630273 again. My mother died from cancer when i was 15. You know what those bastards in the church told me? Be glad that I'm learning the teachings of Jehovah because I'll see her again in the Resurrection.

Fuck those people. Fuck that cult. Get out while you can and go find a protestant church.

>>630262

Orthodox are from the mostly Greek churches that refused to submit to the Archbishop of Rome as supreme pope. Russia is mostly Orthodox, and probably the largest patriachate, but we are everywhere.

Lutherans are from Martin Luther's revolution against the Roman church in the 16th century, and baptists came later by proclaiming that every Christian had to be rebaptisted (they believe in "believer's baptism" and nearly every Christian at that point had been baptized as an infant).

JWs aren't christians. They deny the divinity of Christ reducing him to just another created thing, and even have their perverse translation which adds and removes words to support this heresy, a modern version of arianism born of a random retard in America less than two centuries ago through some paid subscription

All this nonsense is why giving the Bible to the lay people was a huge mistake. All these LARPing retards who emotionally blackmail you into submission of a theologically bankrupt monstrosity. The minds of the people you know are more poisoned than you can imagine

>>630262

No. Catholic position: salvation by grace alone. And the acceptance of grace involves both faith (assent of the truth of Christ) and works (love and charity) any of those two without the other is dead.

>>630262

I'm gonna answer your questions in a couple posts.

>What's the difference between Lutheran and Baptist Protestants?

The Lutheran Church or Lutheranism was founded on the theology of the ex-Catholic monk Martin Luther during the 16th century to reform Christianity with the teaching of justification by grace through faith alone (though that wasn't the sole reason). They believe that humans are saved from their sins by God’s grace alone (Sola Gratia), through faith alone (Sola Fide). By God’s grace, made known and effective in the person and work of Jesus Christ, a person is forgiven and given eternal salvation. Faith receives the gift of salvation rather than causes salvation. As far as the Sacraments are concerned, they value these as means of grace working towards sanctification and justification. Baptism for Lutherans is a means of grace and the mode of application is not important, but is usually delivered by the sprinkling of water. There is no proper age for baptism and the only necessities for a valid baptism are “water and the Word." In Holy Communion, they believe that bread and wine actually are the Body and Blood of Christ. They are accustomed to using real wine instead of substitutes or just bread alone. In addition, their communal celebration strictly follows the order of Catholic Mass and is usually observed with many “rituals” and sung liturgies.

Note: There are a good number of liberal Lutheran churches that would more closely resemble something like mainstream Evangelicals. The little blurb here applies to traditional, Orthodox Lutherans.

The Baptist Church, on the other hand, can be traced back to 1609 with the initiatives of English Separatist, John Smyth. They reject baptism of infants and instead, institute it only in believing adults. Salvation for Baptists is through faith alone (Sola Fide) and they recognize Scripture alone as the rule of faith and practice (Sola Scriptura). Baptists believe that faith is a matter between God and the individual. In contrast to Lutheran belief, Baptists view Baptism as a testimony of a preceding act of repentance and the acceptance of Christ as a personal Savior. It is administered by full immersion as symbolic of the total washing away of sins. Only persons of an age to decide this for themselves and make a personal decision can be considered saved, thus the term believer’s baptism. In Holy Communion, they regard the bread and wine only as a symbolic representation of the body and blood. Substitutes are therefore acceptable; grape juice instead of wine, for instance. Their worship services are less formal and more interactive than that of Lutheran services.

Both Lutheran and Baptist churches believe in the same God (the Holy Trinity), pertain to the same Bible and hold communal gatherings. Lutherans believe in the teaching of justification by faith alone just like Baptists. The main differences lie in the sacraments and the content of services.

>>630273

I had no real choice in being baptize. It was suppose to be done on my own decision but I was really pressured. It was the worst choice I ever made though :(

>>630281

Lay Bible reading is nearly as old as Christianity. St. John Chrsystom gave several homilies against laypeople not reading the Bible enough.

>>630273

I don't think you should exchange one poison with the poison of protestantism, and their 4857384758347 "choose your own Christianity" denominations where you even encourage him to choose the heresies he fancies the most.

>>630281

Witnesses believe in the divinity of Christ. They reject the Crucifixion. They're also Christian-Zionists who believe they're practicing the "Original" form of Christianity from the 1st century.

Which didn't exist because the Church wasn't created until almost 400 years after Christ was executed by The Roman Empire.

>>630284

Still a mistake to have any Bible reading which isn't unders the strict supervision of experts.

>>630287

You have no idea of what you are talking about.

>>630278

The major consequence will be salvation

>>630278

>Sahidic Coptic

But JWs don't use the Sahidic Coptic translation, so what is your point?

Honestly, lad, did you think offering another bad ttranslationwpuld be good arguement?

>>630283

You had a choice. They just made it seem like you didn't. Trust me. I was raised in that cult, and was even pressured into study and trying to pioneer. My parents didn't give enough of a shit, thankfully, and eventually I turned my back on the church and it's bullshit doctrine.

>>630287

>Which didn't exist because the Church wasn't created until almost 400 years after Christ was executed by The Roman Empire.

Nevermind, didn't see you were an overall braindead child

>>630289

I'm an Ex-Witness. I clearly know more about this nonsense than you.

>>630292

You don't, since you don't even know something basic like the fact that JWs consider Christ to be just an spiritual creation, which is why their translation, among other things, adds the word "other" when describing how God, with Christ, created all things

>>630292

Then make a better argument then because what you wrote was trash

>>630287

>didn't exist

>Tertulian didn't exist

>St. Irenaeus didn't exist

>numerous other martyrs and saints didn't exist

>>630262

>What's the difference between Lutheran and Baptist Protestants?

Pardon me if this is incorrect because I'm a noob, but my understanding is:

Lutheran

>borne of the first person, a Catholic monk, to kickstart the reformation, Martin Luther, who wanted to reform the Catholic church which he saw as corrupt and unbiblical at the time (1500s). He didn't intend for it to grow into a full blown revolution (that was the protestant reformation) which split off the Catholic church into a separate church

>due to Luther's close ties to Catholicism, there are similarities to between Lutheranism and Catholicism including

>formal church structure/polity (priesthood etc)

>emphasis on the sacrements (maybe less in no. that Catholics, not sure, but believe in the real, if only spiritual, presence of Christ in the Eucharist (Catholics believe in the literal, fleshly presence through the use of some philosophical reasoning)

>however deny papal authority

>deny role of works in salvation

>subscribe to the 5 solae (Latin for 'alones' as in plural of alone) i.e. faith alone through Christ alone by grace alone, scripture alone (relinquishing the baggy set of unbiblical traditions the Roman Catholics had dragged through and aquired over time) and Glory to God alone, like the rest of the protestants subscribe to

>Arminian view of the nature of God and salvation (I'm pretty sure)

>Baptist

key difference is church polity, where each congration is largely independent but certain groups get together in associations to affirm doctrine and theological approaches to distinguish them from other baptist groups with different views and other churches/branches of christianity

>some see themselves as part of the reformation others argue they pre-date it, not sure how much of this is a meme though

>like other protestants, believe in bible alone (sola scriptura) over 'tradtion,' preisthood of all believers,

>can be 'reformed' (i.e. follow the teachings of John Calvin, a major player in the reformation) regarding the nature of God and salvation) or arminian (what I understand is the more traditional approach adhered to by Catholics/Orthodox although maybe they don't use the term much because I only ever hear it in the context of protestants who arn't reformed, i.e. baptists, methodists etc.

>only believe in the symbolic presence in the Eucharist (and therefore don't think it's considered a sacrement?)

>like many protestant groups consider baptising and marriage to be the two key sacrements (plus maybe the Eucharist if it is as per question mark above

Talk to a priest, often church families can support people like you as you get on your feet.

>>630281

Off-topic, but as a recently converted Christian with a leaning towards Protestantism, I don't see a practical difference between faith only, and faith and works. I cannot conceive how faith could exist in a vacuum. Works are the inevitable fruit of faith. Faith without works is surely not really faith but self-serving belief.

>>630262

>Early Church History

The Church was founded by Christ after His Resurrection. You can read about the beginnings of the Church in the Book of Acts, as the 12 Apostles traveled around and created new parishes throughout the ancient Roman Empire. Both secular and Jewish authorities provided a great deal of persecution persisted for many years, and millions of Christians were killed and imprisoned. The Church thrived underground.

Christianity only became legal in the fourth century, when Constantine I formed the First Council of Nicea, which wrote the Nicene Creed. This creed is still used plainly throughout the Church of England, the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church, though all genuine Christian denominations at heart teach its doctrine. To be Christian, you must believe in the Nicene Creed.

After the demise of the Roman Empire, the church expanded its missionary work in the rest of the world and the faith spread widely through the Germanic, Slavic, Celtic, Viking, Finn, and Hungarian people. After about 630, Muhammad's cult of Islam began to increase quickly and soon conquered previously Christian countries such as Spain and most of North Africa. Though ascetics had persisted in the deserts for centuries, this period also saw the rise of formalized monasteries in the East and West.

Over about seven centuries the church gradually divided into two sections, the Western and Eastern branches, known today as the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches. There are a number of administrative and theological disagreements between the two sides, the most notable being the issue of papal supremacy (this refers to the Pope’s authority over the church, and how far it should extend). There have been two attempts at reuniting the churches in the past and current talks are ongoing.

>>630297

I just copied and slightly edited an article. I like your explanation, actually.

>>630304

>Protestantism

W-why?

>>630304

Demons have faith, because they know Christ is God, but they do not love. Works are not the fruit of faith, but of God's grace, just like faith.

Obviously, faith should encourage us to pursue that behaviour, but it may not be the case, which is why we are told that faith without works (love and mercy) is dead. We aren't told that "it is not actual faith", but that it is dead faith, and that demons, too believe.

Sure, it may be more unusual, but it is still possible that someone has no problem assenting divine truths, but then having acts and a mind filled with filth.

So are you one of the 144000 annointed?

>>630289

Translations into Coptic were available by the third century C.E., so they can give us insight into how the Greek text was understood at that time. This may be of special interest when it comes to the much debated second part of Joh 1:1, which in many translations reads: “And the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Unlike Koine Greek, Syriac, and Latin, the Sahidic Coptic dialect does have an indefinite article (in some ways corresponding to “a” and “an” in English). As shown here, the two occurrences of the Coptic word for “God” (highlighted) look slightly different—the first one (1) with the definite article (circled in red) and the second one (2) with the indefinite article (circled in red). Thus, when rendered literally into English, the translation would read: “And the Word was with the God, and the Word was a god.”

>>630287

how does it feel to live a meme

>>630308

>>630304

The faith and works debate that sparked in early protestantism had to do with the Latin church's over insistence on indulgences instead of the traditionally orthodox view of repentance for salvation.

>>630305

protestants dont think like you

for them roman catholic church is from the beginning false church under the authority by roman emperor and never been christian

>>630310

Never seen a Christian use C.E. instead of A.D. before

I still haven't

It feels like they are fishing for any corroboration tbh

>>630313

Indulgences are not related at all to salvation. You thin that there is this unique, pure special orthodox doctrine. There isn't, that is just a delusion as a reuslt of your propaganda ridden nonsense about le ebil papists.

>>630262

>To get to the point

Both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have detailed histories that can be traced back to Christ Himself; they had a split more than a millennia ago over a number of conflicts that are complicated and rather difficult to summarize quickly. Both can make a solid case for being the original church, and both in fact do that exact thing.

Despite their differences, Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism have many commonalities. They believe in the Trinity, that Jesus was both a man and God, in the real presence during Holy Communion, the Resurrection, that Christ will come again, and many other things. There are also many surface-level similarities like the structure of services and clergy.

As >>630314 notes, most Protestants would deny that either the Catholic or Orthodox Churches are "true," and would argue that they've been subverted to some degree.

>About Catholics and works

Despite the meme, Roman Catholics don't believe that works can save you. In their words:

The Catholic Church has never taught such a doctrine and, in fact, has constantly condemned the notion that men can earn or merit salvation. The Church teaches that it's God's grace from beginning to end which justifies, sanctifies, and saves us. As Paul explains in Philippians 2:13, "God is the one, who, for his good purpose, works in you both to desire and to work."

Notice that Paul's words presuppose that the faithful Christian is not just desiring to be righteous, but is actively working toward it. James 2:17 reminds us that "faith of itself, if it does not have work, is dead." In verse 24 James says, "See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." And later: "For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead" (2:26).

So, far from teaching a doctrine of "works righteousness" (that would be Pelagianism, which was condemned at the Council of Carthage in A.D. 418), the Catholic Church teaches the true, biblical doctrine of justification.

>>630308

Thanks for the explanation. I will contemplate this further.

>I was raised by a single mom who is apart of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Tough luck. I know some people with similar backgrounds and they're usually either full retarded sodomites or the minority of very strict and honorable adults. I think it has to do if you learn to be your own father figure of sorts.

Good luck, I think you'll make it.

>>630306

I exposed myself to a lot of Kierkegaard as an atheist. I would probably not have come to Christianity were it not for him, so his influence is strong.

>>630226

OP, best advice I can give you is to simply read the Bible. The Jehovah Witnesses have their own altered version so toss that away and go pick up a real version of the Bible. There are many English translations so pick the one that best suites you and do your research.

I know you grew up in a very oppressive atmosphere, but the God that we true Christians serve is not like that. Yes, we need to strive through the narrow gate, but God loves us all and commands that we be saved. Jesus said that His yoke is easy and burden light. He knows your faults and your weaknesses, don't be afraid to step out in the Spirit and to truly Seek God (Jehovah, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit).

Lastly, I've embedded a testimony from an ex-Jehovah Witness. Hope this helps, God bless.

>>630273

>Stay away from the Catholics

Surprised that bait slipped through. 4/10

>>630323

>his influence is strong

On you, perhaps.

>>630325

Jehovah is not the name of God.

>>630333

God = |Jehovah| + |Jesus Christ| + |Holy Spirit|

Just because some cult hijacked the name of the Father doesn't make it false. Read your Bible. God bless.

>>630320

>>630305

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>>630282

Thank you.

>>630226

>>630349

What's the best Bible version? The only one I've used is the New World Translation.

>>630328

On me, certainly; but surely you are not unaware of his profound influence on philosophy (as the first existentialist), theology, psychology, and his unmasking of false Christianity ("Christendom").

>>630353

Stop.

Go talk to the elders about your thoughts and questions and they will guide you. I tell you that if you leave then you will never EVER be right in the eyes of Jehovah God ever again. You will for certain not be apart of the anointed 144,000. As an anointed myself I am warning you!

>>630356

This man has finally found Christ, the Son of the Living God, and you're trying to stop him from reaching salvation! Behind me, satan!

>>630356

>Jehovah God

God dont need names its human invention

God is God, I Am that I Am

>>630238

If you'd continued reading you'd know he already wants to leave the JWs and find a real church. Don't be an asshole.

>>630361

>>630359

>>630358

NO! You blasphemers are leading him away from the truth! He is naive and doesn't know much and you are manipulating that to pull him away from Jehovah! Jehovah will destroy you all forever in a very violent way for this!

>>630364

Extra brooklynus nulla sallus?

>>630353

ESV ain't bad

>>630226

Watch this

>>630387

I read this post with the power of the Holy Spirit and I can confirm it is modernist protestant garbage.

>>630305

>Christianity only became legal in the fourth century, when Constantine I formed the First Council of Nicea

I don't think this is true. Wasn't it legalized 13 years earlier in the Edict of Milan?

>>630476

Sorry, I missed that one. I grabbed the text from an article to save time, but there were details I edited since it had some inaccuracies.

If this is Riley, 1) phac u and 2) get back in touch with me boyo, it's "Tony" your friend from middleschool and 3) Χρήστος ανέστη

>>630226

Former JW here as well, who was in pretty much the exact situation you're in. I've spent the better part of a decade looking for an actual solution to what you're going through. Leaving the JWs is actually the easy part, your mom will come around after the initial shock of leaving the fold wears off. The problem is finding a denomination that hasn't kowtowed to the pervasive political cult that currently dominates the scene. I can't in good faith follow doctrine that implicitly concedes spiritual authority to secularist forces.

>>630689

>and as Christians if we truly are saved

We are not saved. Nor you, nor me.

There are no branches. There is the Church created by Christ, and then there are groups that can be traced to some random man with no authority.

There are no opinions. There is revealed truth. It doesn't matter if you say "Jesus is the Way", if then you come up with whatever you want about Jesus. That is precisely why JWs or Mormons exist.

>>630689

>>630387

Anon, I don't even fundamentally disagree with what you're saying. I'm Orthodox, but trusting in God's mercy, I think that Christians with a living faith in Christ as Lord, Nicene Christians, will be granted salvation at the end. The things we have in common are far more important on this board than things we don't (though I think it's important to recognize that these differences are significant and worthy things to talk about).

But >>630732 has a very good point. There is a indisputable role for Church, there is a role for community, there is a role for organized theology. The Bible is infallible and incredibly powerful to read, but it's also a long and complicated text with many different moving pieces. It's easy to misinterpret things, to read bits out of context, and few people will be able to approach Scripture in the same frame of mind as an Apostle every time they open it up. Especially when they're starting out.

Telling someone that comes from such a spiritually dangerous group as the Jehovah's Witnesses, someone who's likely been fed disinformation about Scripture and even the basics of the Christian life for many, many years, to go it alone? It's setting them up for failure.

Guys I'm so confused. There's so much arguing among you guys and I can't discern the truth. :(

>>630760

Every Christian in this thread believes this: >>630239

That Creed is the inarguable Truth, a summation of the Gospel, and the call to faith that we all believe in with our whole hearts.

The arguing we're doing is about the best place you should get started and where because we come from different backgrounds and churches. Rather than fret, the best thing you can do for yourself right now is to find the closest Nicene church near you, attend this Sunday, and get yourself set up with a new Bible in one of the English translations we discussed earlier.

Nicene church refers to a Catholic, Orthodox, Methodist, Baptist, Anglican, Lutheran, Presbyterian, or Coptic church. If the one you're looking at doesn't fit into any of those categories, run it by us and we'll be able to tell you if it's all-ok.

You just need to make that first step into church and trust that God will support you on your journey. All the other pieces will fall into place in time.

>>630762

God bless.

>>630771

There's a Lutheran church I can walk to in 2 minutes, we pass by it whenever we go to the Kingdom Hall. Maybe I could somehow secretly convert? There would be a lot of sneaking out though and getting around schedules… I would still have to pretend to be a JW and I truly don't know how I could make that work.

>>630780

There's also a Baptist church not too far from it. Which one would be better to go to? Lutheran or Baptist?

>>630782

Go to the baptist one Lutherans are almost all modernist fags now. There’s a trans luthren bishop for petes sake

>>630780

>>630782

Whichever one works better with your schedule. You can always pick a different church later.

I'd suggest calling or sending an email to the pastor of each of the churches, explaining that you're a Jehovah's Witness that wants to attend but is in a tight spot. They should be able to help you from there.

>>630790

If LCMS or WELS, go Lutheran, see also if you have an ACNA parish near you.