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33da09 No.628400

Are these people who die and say they go to hell telling the truth? Because if they are, then we are all screwed. By what they say, and how many apparent Christians go to hell, we are screwed because literally even being on 8chan by what they say is degenerate and that none of us are actually on the right path to heaven because we aren't true behaving Christians and that we live "our way" as a Christian.

0eddf1 No.628402

>>628400

>Are these people who die and say they go to hell telling the truth?

No


33da09 No.628404

>>628402

how do you know? a lot of them say the same thing about hell….


81db26 No.628418

>>628404

There ain't no coming back man; this is the really real world


33da09 No.628422

>>628418

Well someone was arguing that these people who have had "near-death experiences" are able to be granted a vision of hell because they aren't fully dead, thus giving them the ability to see where they are going but can come back from hell because they aren't fully dead.

I really just want to know that if these people truly are seeing hell or if they are just having visions.


594494 No.628471

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>>628400

There are a lot of saint who have been granted permission to see hell, look it up.

The most recent/famous (i think) are the three child seers of Fatima where the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared and revealed a bunch of things to them, including a vision of hell.


33da09 No.628472

>>628471

….your pope said hell doesn’t exist…


5da743 No.628474

>>628472

>The Vatican issued a statement after the comments spread like wildfire on social media, saying the pope never granted the interview and the story was "the result of (the reporter's) reconstruction,” not a “faithful transcription of the words of the Holy Father."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/03/29/did-pope-francis-say-there-no-hell-not-quite-vatican-insists/470442002/


a84bc1 No.628491

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>this is what happens when people don't read their Bible and use it as their sole source of information concerning matters of faith


58f962 No.628497

>>628474

Their statement sounds a lot more like "not verbatim" rather than "he didn't say anything like it.


33da09 No.628583

>>628491

Yes but are the actually going to hell???


a84bc1 No.628585

>>628583

Ofc not. Trust your Bible, not people.


736f85 No.628602

>>628585

Where in the Bible does it say people cannot see hell if they have a “near” death experiences?


a84bc1 No.628604

>>628602

What I mean is this: the Bible says you're saved if you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. If you're saved, no matter what you do you're never going to hell, or God is a liar.


736f85 No.628667

>>628604

It also says faith without works is dead, and the way is narrow. WHY IS THE GATE NARROW DESU


a84bc1 No.628669

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>>628667

>WHY IS THE GATE NARROW DESU

Because you faggots trust your works to save you


736f85 No.628677

>>628669

I believe in Jesus, not my works. I know he died on the cross for our sins, yada yada.


a84bc1 No.628684

>>628677

Yet, faith alone doesn't seem to be enough for salvation according to you.


2e1488 No.628689

>>628667

>"It also says faith without works is dead, and the way is narrow. WHY IS THE GATE NARROW DESU"

Every person who has salvation from the only True Way- Jesus Christ- cannot lose it.

The issue then becomes working out from one's salvation, not working to keep salvation.


e1b5cd No.628698

>>628689

What are “works”?


62d511 No.628780

Lies or not, they spook me. I try not to watch these.

>>628684

Of course not.

Faith and works. I know you truly believe faith only, but that's because many times logic and emotion hold hands. You're logically justifying your laziness.


ea6e8c No.628782

>>628684

Even the demons believe, are you saying that they are saved?


0eddf1 No.628788

>>628698

In the New Testament 'work' means "an action of human will". Usually, it carries a positive connotation, i.e. "good" works.


fbfbd4 No.628872

>>628404

A lot of them say different things, too.


a84bc1 No.628887

>>628782

>>628780

Believing Jesus is real =/= believing unto the Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you guys seriously think we are to work our way into heaven? Do you really think it's "good works" that determine salvation? If that's the case, everyone who has ever existed will go to hell because there is none righteous.


32fce1 No.628897

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>>628400

The problem with the testimony of these people is that the Bible explicitly says that Jesus will return to judge the living and the dead. If they haven't been resurrected for judgement on judgement day, then they haven't gone to hell or heaven.


5ce099 No.628898

As is the case with all of these "I died and went to hell!" people, it's difficult to say. Hell, strictly as a state of being, can be experienced just as much as Heaven can be experienced while a person is still alive (i.e. a life live lived according to the flesh vs theosis). Clearly, these people didn't truly die, but they might have been given a taste of the fire as a mercy so they might clean up their act. It could also be prelest. Look at their testimony on a case-by-case basis and if it contradicts Scripture in any way, ignore it.

By the way, the notion that plenty of self-professed Christians don't make it to Heaven shouldn't be surprising to you. God even warns us of this precise issue.

>“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

All we can do is trust in the Lord's infinite mercy and do our best to follow His commandments in our lives.


2a2e92 No.628901

>>628897

This is a really good point.


fbfbd4 No.628910

>>628897

Particular judgement follows death, when the soul proceeds to Hell or Heaven. General judgement happens after the resurrection of the dead. Souls already condemned to Hell are at that time reunited with their bodies, and are tossed back into Hell body and soul.




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