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4f3b62 No.628271

Something that's caused me a bit of a religious crisis has been, obviously, the Problem of Evil. As we all know, God in the OT had a much more "violent" or "volatile" demeanor compared to the NT, but, in Scripture has God ever been characterized as all-loving or omnibenevolent?

If He does, then He makes it easy for man to understand his love and protection so adversity can be beaten, if He described it himself, showing himself as a much more personal and humane God

This is not the case in Nature (aka, natural disasters, human tragedy, chronic suffering, unjust death, disease), so basically, the problem of evil.

Interestingly - and pardon me for the example - but the Qur'an doesn't seem to describe God completely as omnibenevolent, and in the 99 Names of Allah the Islamic God is characterized with attributes as a Destroyer in a much more impersonal manner than the one we get to know with Christianity, making him an ambivalent God in which everything is already determined (In'shallah, aka, God willing…implying determinism?) and having more realistic attributes that are in par with what we know of how the world operates, in a volatile and not necessarily just manner.

It seems that both Gods do what they please, and are willing to intercede in prayer, but is omnibenevolence ever mentioned in the Bible, or is that just a popular belief given the loving attributes of Jesus Christ?

Does God cause good and evil for reasons we don't know?

Could this be an argument for believing that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three different divine entities, making the Father ambivalent and the Son benevolent, as he atoned for our sins?

This thread is extremely convoluted, excuse me for that, as I'm drowsy in almost all my waking hours, but I need a sound argument against the Problem of Evil and injustice and how would Jesus allow such things to happen and be powerless against preventing them despite being omnipotent.

Also, rejoice, as He is risen!

437578 No.628286

>>628271

>God in the OT had a much more "violent" or "volatile" demeanor compared to the NT,

Pedant's corner: God in the OT seems more like that because not only does it cover millenia, so it has more ground to cover, but also (mainly) because man kept fouling up so badly that it incited Him to anger and to punish us.

>in Scripture has God ever been characterized as all-loving or omnibenevolent?

Yes. There are countless references to His love and goodness in the Psalms alone.

>Interestingly - and pardon me for the example - but the Qur'an doesn't seem to describe God completely as omnibenevolent, and in the 99 Names of Allah the Islamic God is characterized with attributes as a Destroyer in a much more impersonal manner than the one we get to know with Christianity, making him an ambivalent God in which everything is already determined (In'shallah, aka, God willing…implying determinism?) and having more realistic attributes that are in par with what we know of how the world operates, in a volatile and not necessarily just manner.

But the Qur'an is trash. That it doesn't describe the Lord as loving is proof of this.

>It seems that both Gods do what they please, and are willing to intercede in prayer, but is omnibenevolence ever mentioned in the Bible, or is that just a popular belief given the loving attributes of Jesus Christ?

Yes, it is referenced all throughout scripture. The very fact that we have scripture is evidence of His love and benevolence for us. If Christ is the Son, and the Son shares the same nature as the Father, then it follows that the Father too is love and goodness.

Prayer is also about praising, begging forgiveness, and seeking to unite oneself more closely to His will, since He is the highest good.

>Does God cause good and evil for reasons we don't know?

God is not the author of evil. He permits it that good may come of it. The greatest evil, and simultaneously the greatest good, is the Crucifixtion. That's all we need to know.

>Could this be an argument for believing that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three different divine entities, making the Father ambivalent and the Son benevolent, as he atoned for our sins?

No, Marcion, is does not. The Son was sent at the command of the Father, and makes explicit references in the Gospel to doing the Will of the Father. If Christ, being perfectly obedient, atoned for our sins, then it follows again that this was His charge from the Father. If Christ atoned for our sins, but the Father was only ambivalent about it, then it likewise follows that Christ wasn't doing the will of the Father.

>I need a sound argument against the Problem of Evil and injustice and how would Jesus allow such things to happen and be powerless against preventing them despite being omnipotent.

<Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For seeing that in the wisdom of God the world, by wisdom, knew not God, it pleased God, by the foolishness of our preaching, to save them that believe. For both the Jews require signs, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles foolishness: But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For see your vocation, brethren, that there are not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble: But the foolish things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the wise; and the weak things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the strong. And the base things of the world, and the things that are contemptible, hath God chosen, and things that are not, that he might bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his sight. But of him are you in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and justice, and sanctification, and redemption: That, as it is written: He that glorieth, may glory in the Lord. (1 Cor 1:20-31)

God bless you! He is risen!


585ecc No.628287

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Inshallah isn't an Islamic term, it's an Arabic term. It means God willing, just like Allah isn't the name of the Islamic god specifically, it just means God. Arab Christians say inshallah and call God Allah amongst other names.

The only difference I can think of is Jesus. Muslim "Jesus" is Isa. Most Levantine Christians call Him Yassou.

> t Leb


b2dbd7 No.628295

>>628271

God is all loving in the sense that He wants the best in the end for you and will guide you in that direction while still leaving you will the choice to follow, but He is not "nice." This "God is nice" meme is possibly a satanic psy-op, because anyone who reads the OT will clearly see He is not "nice." He is a very strict and heavily punishing utilitarian only concerned with bringing good in the end. If that has to come through evil due to some humans making poor choices, so be it. This leads to many people apostatizing to le sad demiurge religion because they thought Christianity was "the nice cult." Those dumb nuggets who don't leave the faith entirely turn into intolerable heretics who promote homosexually, abortion, globalism, and all sorts of heresy ruining their community and making it the opposite of what Father respecting Jesus Christ would have wanted. Jesus and the Father do NOT contradict. We just associate so many bells and whistles of modernity like the nice doctrine to God that we act so surprised when we learn God the Father blessed people for killing heretics and nuked an entire city for sodomy.


d96400 No.628339

His children kept acting up so He spanked them. Don't forget the thousands of years of blessings He gave them.


5beb6a No.628351

>>628287

> just like Allah isn't the name of the Islamic god specifically, it just means God

Completely the reverse. Allah predates islam in arabic paganism - it's a name. Zeus wasn't a greek allah, Odin wasn't a norse allah. Allah is a name.


e7bbd8 No.628364

>>628271

>God in the OT had a much more "violent" or "volatile" demeanor compared to the NT

What is revelations?


b2dbd7 No.628368

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>>628364

>What is revelations?

Another book nu-Christians brothers in soy don’t read.


508381 No.628370

>>628287

Do Arab Christians say Allahu Akbar?


7b6096 No.628385

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>>628271

Read Romans 9.

20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it?

21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?

22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?

23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,

Also reformed/calvinist theology.


cf27b8 No.628386

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>>628370

No they don't, we hate that term. That's another example of a chiefly Islamic term. We say inshallah, mashallah, subhanallah, alhamdulilah. Some linguistics are similar but our ideology is Christ, which opposes Islam.


cf27b8 No.628387

>>628351

No, there's another word for lowercase god. Such as a Greek god, etc. Allah is only used when talking about the bible or quran's God.


08fc4b No.628668

>>628295

God is utilitarian

Is this genuinely what people say to describe God? I've never heard it put this way before, wasn't utilitarianism dreamt up by Jeremy Benthem in the 1800s?


872a0e No.629269

>God in the OT had a much more "violent" or "volatile" demeanor compared to the NT,

No he isn't. Read Revelation.

>but, in Scripture has God ever been characterized as all-loving or omnibenevolent?

No


8f0072 No.629367

>>629269

>I don't know the scripture: the post




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