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236154 No.626138

wow do orthodox believe this vision of atonement, contrary to Anslem's view? because it answers a lot of my questions and just blew my mind.

best to watch it at 1.5x speed, since its pretty slow scrolling

d1ba58 No.626173

>>626138

>do orthodox believe this vision of atonement

Yes. In Orthodoxy we often refer to the Church as a Hospital.

>contrary to Anslem's view?

I've never read Anselm so I don't know if the video is being charitable to him or not.


cc3506 No.626191

>>626173

Anselm's understanding of the Atonement iirc is that we owe God, as he is our Creator and King of kings, honor, which is shown through obedience. Since we have sinned, there is a debt of honor that has to be paid. We cannot pay this back ourselves since any good deeds we do are already owed to God. It was the primary understanding of the Atonement in the RCC until Aquinas, who popularized the idea of the Atonement as Recapitulation and penance for original sin.

Interestingly, the difference in Anselm's and Aquinas's takes on the Atonement play a major part in the differences between the RCC and Lutheran groups. The former held to Aquinas's view, with its implications of a more developed penance system for "paying off" mortal sins with penance, while Lutherans, following Anselm's understanding, saw any good deeds as being owed to God anyway, and so dispensed with the developed penance system while retaining private Confession and Absolution with a focus on repentance.

Both are of course very different than the "Christus Victor" approach often seen in the Eastern Church.


cc3506 No.626193

>>626191

I forgot to mention that the Atonement for Anselm was that Christ, through His Passion, was the ultimate act of obedience, bringing honor to God that we cannot. Paying our debt of honor, which allows us to receive eternal life. So both Aquinas and Anselm are legalistic, but express it in different ways that have different consequences.

Sage for double post.




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