/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>624802

Depends how grave the sin in question is. Obviously you won't be damned forever for knowingly continuing to be slightly lazy sometimes, but if the sin in question is something like murder, adultery, etc., then this person clearly doesn't care about God (if they did, how could they not even try to repent, knowing how deeply they offend against Him?) and has refused His gift of salvation.

If they struggle to accept God's love and stop sinning, even though they might not be successful until the end of their lives, they might still be saved. There's a thing called the purgatory OP. God judge us based on our efforts to yearn for truth and become a better human. This is also how people who didn't have a chance to become christian or reject christianity for some reason are judged. Everyone but the saints and the most stubborn unrepentants will go to the purgatory. The non-christians who are clean enough will go to the Abraham's Bosom.

I'm not Op but i am basically addicted to porn. Its getting better, but I do struggle with it. Basically even when I ask forgiveness it feels oxymoronic since you would only ask forgiveness if the intent is to stop. I also need to be baptized and I feel like I can't while I still look at porn.

https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/simons-perversion-of-signs-and-wonders

>>624813

that is basically my problem that and drugs a bit but I stopped 2 years ago and it was just weed and pills

>>624810

i really don't believe in purgatory. I don't see any biblical evidence

>If a christian [sic] continues to sin knowingly and never giving up said sin will they still get to heaven.

This is like asking if God can make a rock too heavy to lift. It's impossible. See 1 John 3:4-10.

If they're genuinely struggling with the sin and continue to fall into it despite their attempts, we have to trust in God's mercy. There's a story of an alcoholic monk that spent his entire life slowly reducing the amount he was able to drink but was unable to shake free of it before he died. Elders at the monastery said they saw an entire legion of angels escorting him to heaven.

If they're freely engaging in sin because they go to church sometimes and think they have a free pass to heaven, no.

The notion that anyone stops being a sinner is false to begin with.

Paul shows indwelling sin as a present reality in his flesh, twice in Romans 7:17-21, concluding that evil was present with him.

John shows us that we can not say we have, present tense, no sin, or the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8

Paul also shows us that we are no better than the unsaved as believers, Romans 3:9

Paul claimed the opposite, that he was the chief of sinners AFTER salvation, using present tense "I am." 1 Tim. 1:15

It is from understanding this state we come to understand the critical need of God's Mercy in Christ, His forgiveness, and Grace.

and we are well advised to not be the SLAVE OF SIN. Enslavement starts by not recognizing our state, and being TRUTHFUL about but instead, we are turned to liars and hypocrites by SIN when we deny our own condition in and of the flesh, which is factually in opposition and contention to THE SPIRIT. Gal. 5:17

>>624829

>i really don't believe in purgatory. I don't see any biblical evidence

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-purgatory-in-the-bible

>>624802

Only God knows and God saves who he wills

>>624866

Purgatory seems redundant

Purification is what this life is for…

>>624802

Define give up

>>624810

>The non-christians who are clean

Hello Pelagius

Depends on your perspective.

Afaik, cathodox would say if they dont repent they will go to hell. Sola fide like lutherans would typically say yes they can be saved if they have sincere faith. Calvanists and other radical reformed would say no because if they really had faith they wouldnt sin.

The general view is no, an unrepentant sinner will go to hell

>>624937

Give up as in they don't let it be a part of their life anymore.

>>624806

David, the man after God's own heart, committed murder and adultery even after knowing God. You must understand that even the most Godly people are capable of the worst sins (but not sodomy :D romans 1 fuck you)

If my wife and daughter were raped and the rapist got off scott free I might kill that son of a bitch. That don't mean I lost my salvation.

>>625138

This. Must remember that Christians are literally the sons of God.

>John 1:12

>But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

It's absolutely perverted to think that God will make you His son and then chase you around waiting to cast you into Hell instead of chastising you, scourging you when you trip up or get distracted, and then setting you back on the right path.

>>625150

>than then

fug

You must confess your sins, and before confession you need to have contrition. You need to desire to not do these sins again. Don't get meme'd by Protestants on a path that will send you to hell. I love you.

>>624810

You need to be free from mortal sin and in a state of grace in order to get to Purgatory. The fires of Purgatory are penance for past sins committed while alive but repented of. A man dying with unconfessed mortal sin goes to Hell. If you don't understand the doctrine, study it before misleading others. Or at least be open about espousing heretical beliefs

>>624938

Kek, amen brother.

>>625228

This is one of the many obstacles I have to accepting Catholicism. If you beat off for the first time in ten years and then get struck fatally by a car, you're screwed? Doesn't sound like the God I know.

>>624802

I don't and will possibly never smoke marijuana but I'm a remain ever not convinced that its a sin to do so. That's just another dumb evangelical meme like the others. Obviously everything in moderation, but I don't see how smoking marijuana is any different than drinking wine and obviously if the Son of Man saw it fit to turn water into wine the consumption of alcohol isn't altogether prohibited, so why should we assume marijuana (the most innocuous of drugs) is?

>>626232

If you commit a mortal sin with full knowledge that it is a mortal sin, then die without repentance, then yes, excepting God's mercy of course, you go to hell. How is this different then the God you know?

>And if thy hand scandalize thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life, maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into unquenchable fire

>>626253

It's illegal to purchase or possess weed. It's a sin to break the law unless following a particular law is a sin. Not smoking weed isn't a sin. Therefore it's a sin to smoke weed. By buying weed, you're supporting the black market and organized crime. Doesn't matter if the police don't enforce marijuana laws. You're under the law, not just the police. Weed makes you high, which disrupts your rational faculties and makes you behave disgracefully and embarrassingly, and sets a bad example for others. It isn't a sin to drink. It's a sin to get drunk. Unless you're smoking just enough to get a buzz, you're sinning. Stop smoking weed. Stop trying to rationalize your sin.

>>626300

Sorry, I misread the first sentence of your post when I skimmed it.

>>624802

You need to be specific on what "saved" means.

In general to be "saved" is to be transformed inwardly by the Holy Spirit from the moment a person trusts in Jesus Christ.

Trusting in Jesus is not something that person does on his or her own initiative; this trust is a response to the faith of Jesus given by the Holy Spirit.

From that point on the issue is not "how does one stay saved?" but rather "working from the salvation given" (in other words, being the "new and true self" in Christ Jesus).

To specifically answer your question "If a christian continues to sin knowingly and never giving up said sin will they still get to heaven?" the truth is that no believer can WILLFULLY continue in sin.

As for the example of a believer who has the weakness towards homosexuality either:

1) That believer argues that it is not a sin (and thus experience the stinging correction from God to turn him or her away from it), or

2) That believer knows it is a sin but knows that he or she cannot overcome it in his or her own strength (that believer needs to learn what the Apostle Paul learned when he asked, "who shall deliver me from this body of death? I thank God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!").