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Drugs and alcohol: picking fights is not as bad as that.

>>623366

>>623363

best case scenario is drugs just hurt you, actually you can do drugs and alcohol kind of safely without any social problems, just minor health issues.

physically fighting and being aggressive with everyone means you're a weak and spineless person who can't control their emotions and you have no merit, no real confidence and self-respect, so you try to validate yourself with each encounter, by asserting yourself and hurting others. And you don't care about others and actually hurt them….so it's pretty obvious what's more faggoty

Nether drug or alcohol itself are sins. The influence you let them have on you is sinfull.

Drinking a little alcohol or take a little canabis to relax? No problem

Getting drunk or get high? Big problem

Cocain or performance enhancing drugs can be usefull. In south america people chew coca leaves to reduce fatigue and enhance performance in mines or on hard field labor

>>623363

You have equally missed the mark of perfection with both, they are the same.

>>623417

This, but also >>623411

Drugs and alcohol become vices because they're addictive. Alcohol can be taken in moderation; I wouldn't suggest drugs at all since I think altering your state of mind is dangerous for the Christian life and drugs usually are a magnitude stronger/more dangerous than alcohol.

With that said, enfeebling yourself with drinks and pills so you don't start fights is a terrible habit and fundamentally shows a lack of faith in Christ.

Christ frees us from all sin and vice, no matter how serious, and all sinful habits. Prayer is the medicine you need.

>>623374

>if you beat up your enemy you're a coward

The coward is idle.

>>623374

As a former alcoholic and anorexic, I disagree…I thought the same: "Sure, I'm harming myself, but at least I do not hurt others".

Well…when the medical issues kicked in, my liver being about to burst and my kidneys close to fail, seeing my mother in tears at night praying I'll change, my family slowly realizing their firstborn/elder brother/nephew/grandchild slowly fading away into a spiral of self-destructive actions, I realized that I was not harming myself alone.

As for fights, there are times in which a slap on the face or a punch can be a sign of love…now, I'm not saying to go around slapping sinners into repentance, but in my (limited, humble and flawed) opinion, a fist fight is less of a sin than drugs which arm the temple of the spirit in way more dangerous and hidden ways.

A fight out of rightful wrath, like when Jesus kicked out the merchants from the temple (with a rational explanation for His anger), is not as bad as abuse of alcohol and drug consumption .

>>623824

>if you beat up your enemy

>everyone is your enemy

OP said he is violent with everyone.

That sounds far more evil than just drinking alcohol or smoking weed at home.

>>623863

>you're wrong because i did so much drugs and then got really sick and made stupid decisions and did extra

ya if you add a bunch of other sins to your drinking/drug use then it could be worse than fist fighting everyone you see in real life, but that's a different argument. I could also say that if you fist fight a lot and are aggressive and abusive with everyone eventually you could turn to a killer or rapist or someshit…

Different comparison, slipper slope shit…

But best case scenario you drink alone and don't bother anyone, this happens a lot, you can be a functional drug user. You can't be a functional street fighter who thinks everyone is their enemy and deserves to be beat or abused emotionally.

>>623872

The argument isn't "functional".

>>623863

>A fight out of rightful wrath, like when Jesus kicked out the merchants from the temple (with a rational explanation for His anger), is not as bad as abuse of alcohol and drug consumption .

how the heck is Jesus driving out merchants the same as OP's scenario " vs starting fights (physical or verbal) with everyone and being generally aggressive?

Jesus did not start fights with everyone, nor was he generally aggressive with everyone

>>623875

one guy mostly harms himself, while the other mostly harms other people and himself. you still confused?

>>623878

Yes, because the argument is which is more sinful. And also because you're hallucinating things. The nature of the question is which is more sinful, habitually harming yourself or habitually harming others?

>>623886

without doing weird scenarios, or slippery slopes.

the drunkard harms himself.

the violent street fighter hurts himself and others.

if sin is on a spectrum then the violent man is more sinful.

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