/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>619638

He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

Luke 22:36

>>619639

Bad context, better is literally any Psalm (on topic) because that is the chief Christian prayer book.

>>619639

… and have you sold your cloak and bought a sword?

Matthew 18:6

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

If you want to become Jews, become Jews.

>>619761

Every jew I've met was a pussycuck.

19 Then Mathathias answered, and said with a loud voice: Although all nations obey king Antiochus, so as to depart every man from the service of the law of his fathers, and consent to his commandments:

20 I and my sons, and my brethren will obey the law of our fathers.

21 God be merciful unto us: it is not profitable for us to forsake the law, and the justices of God:

22 We will not hearken to the words of king Antiochus, neither will we sacrifice, and transgress the commandments of our law, to go another way.

23 Now as he left off speaking these words, there came a certain Jew in the sight of all to sacrifice to the idols upon the altar in the city of Modin, according to the king's commandment.

24 And Mathathias saw and was grieved, and his reins trembled, and his wrath was kindled according to the judgment of the law, and running upon him he slew him upon the altar:

25 Moreover the man whom king Antiochus had sent, who compelled them to sacrifice, he slew at the same time, and pulled down the altar.

26 And shewed zeal for the law, as Phinees did by Zamri the son of Salomi.

27 And Mathathias cried out in the city with a loud voice, saying: Every one that hath zeal for the law, and maintaineth the testament, let him follow me.

>>619761

Why? The old testament belongs to Christians just as much as the new testament does. Entirely.

“Blessed be the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle – my loving kindness and my fortress, my high tower and my deliverer, my shield and the One in whom I take refuge, who subdues my people under me.” Psalm 144:1

>>619982

Inb4 the low standards pagan poster

> If you’re a believing Christian who follows the words of Christ, but you’ve also had a Christmas tree in your house, then that means you’re really a pagan

> If you’re an atheist and have no belief whatsoever in any pagan god, but you’ve taken part in some custom or superstition that had pagan origins, you’re really a pagan

http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-39.htm

Oops, sorry, was Jesus being a 'cuck' in this verse? :3

6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O Lord.

7 Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces.

8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.

9 Before your pots can feel the thorns, he shall take them away as with a whirlwind, both living, and in his wrath.

10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.

11 So that a man shall say, Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth.

>>620027

Gee, I guess I shouldn’t be whipping evil merchants. That doesn’t sound like something liberal hippie Jesus would do :/

>>620038

Agreed, it's okay to defend yourself as long as they're for the right reasons.

>>620034

Are there evil merchants in the Temple? I thought that thing was destroyed thousands of years ago.

A passage about all things having their appropriate times.

Ecclesiastes 3:8

"a time to love, and a time to hate;

a time for war, and a time for peace."

The song of Moses (it goes on longer)

Exodus 15:1-3

"“I will sing to the Lord, for he has triumphed gloriously; horse and rider he has thrown into the sea. The Lord is my strength and my might and he has become my salvation;

this is my God, and I will praise him, my father’s God, and I will exalt him. The Lord is a warrior; the Lord is his name."

Deuteronomy 20:1

"When you go out to war against your enemies, and see horses and chariots, an army larger than your own, you shall not be afraid of them; for the Lord your God is with you, who brought you up from the land of Egypt."

>>619639

>And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no moneybag or knapsack or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors.’ For what is written about me has its fulfillment.” And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”

Note how Jesus says that he is only saying this because the prophecy needs to be fulfilled, specifically the prophecy about being numbered with the transgressors. That's right, having a sword makes you a transgressor according to Jesus. When the apostles admitted to having two swords, Jesus said that that was enough. If the apostles weren't trying to keep their swords secret, would Jesus tell them to buy swords and then immediately change his mind after the obvious was pointed out? Not only that, a few verses later, we have Luke 22:49-51

>And when those who were around him saw what would follow, they said, “Lord, shall we strike with the sword?” And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. But Jesus said, “No more of this!” And he touched his ear and healed him.

Wow, it seems that Jesus doesn't want you to use a sword against the person that is literally trying to kill the Son of God. In fact, he healed the man that was sent to kill him. Stick to your jew religion book of Psalms and reject the teachings of Jesus.

>>619744

Now I see why people like the King James Version - it allows people to use the bible to justify their 'safe space' teachings. Take a look at http://biblehub.com/matthew/18-6.htm and note that every version that isn't the King James Version and its variants says 'causes to stumble' or 'causes to sin', rather than 'offends'. Also, I'd suggest reading into the context - "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven". Children don't usually drown others with millstones, so we'd have to accept that punishing people is for God alone.

>>620034

Jesus didn't whip any merchants. Read the verse again:

>And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen.

He clearly was using the whip on the sheep and oxen, not on the humans.

>>620038

I find that that verse is best explained in Romans 19:21

>Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

>>620116

Give me one right reason. Ok, sure, defence against a literal wild animal is a good reason. Give me one right reason do use violence to defend oneself against a human.

>>620150

>Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Yes, do not use evil to fight evil or you will finish like Boromir. For example, do not genocide jews because they caused the murder of millions of Christians in Soviet Russia for example. You will lose yourself and you will finally lose what you were trying to protect (i.e. western civilization).

>Give me one right reason (to defend yourself)

You

Too lazy to answer the rest.

Romans 12:9

“Hate what is evil, cling to what is good.”

>>620150

>Jesus didn't whip any merchants.

How stupid do you think I am? It clearly says he drove them out along with the sheep and oxen, not just the sheep and oxen.

>>620152

>do not genocide jews because they caused the murder of millions of Christians in Soviet Russia

Terrible advice. Killing enemies is allowed and many times praised in the Bible. Jesus wouldn’t want you running around shooting random fellow men, and a commandment says not to commit an illegal killing, but we were genociding many tribes in the OT simply for having land we wanted and/or attacking us. The concept of killing as a whole being bad is part of the humanist religion, not the Christian religion. Christianity is not a religion of peace. If it were we would all have been brown and praising Allah centuries ago.

>>620327

>Killing enemies is allowed and many times praised in the Bible.

>First the literalist liberal protie in this thread understand God's teaching as "be weak faggot"

>Now the litteralist "conservative" protie that read "be unmerciful genocidal butchers"

No genocide under christianity kid. While a people is bound to specific determinism and can be cursed individuals can always be saved through sanctity.

>The concept of killing as a whole being bad is part of the humanist religion

Killing is bad, it's the loss of life which is a good, it can just be a lesser bad. Making of earthly life the ultimate good is humanism, making life of others not important is just uncharitable.

>Christianity is not a religion of peace. If it were we would all have been brown and praising Allah centuries ago.

We didn't genocided jews back in the day, we exiled, converted or excluded them. And we didn't genocided muslims. Crusades was holy armed pilgrimage, not genocides.

Mass murder is useless and unjust, that's why it's uncharitable. Are you a troll or are protestant this dumb ?

"Hitler dishonored anti-antisemitism" Bernanos (french catholic writer)

>>620362

>No genocide under christianity kid.

Absolutely absurd. The Catholic Church genocided many competing branches of Christianity and heathens got no better treatment. Jews and muslims are simply heathens. If you are a Catholic then at least have some integrity.

>>620364

>Absolutely absurd. The Catholic Church genocided many competing branches of Christianity and heathens got no better treatment.

Genocide = wiping out an ethnic group, not a religious denomination. Although there is some overlap (i.e. Jews are both an ethnic group and a religion).

>>620367

>Jews are both an ethnic group and a religion

Problem solved. Let's preheat the ovens.

>>620352

>psalms

Ok, you're right, I did go a bit too far there. My bad.

>stand by while murderers, rapists, and thieves attack and kill others

Do the apostles deserve eternal suffering because they stood by while Jesus was being arrested and then killed? Why do you think that the early Christians didn't waltz into Rome with swords killing everyone, resurrecting any of their own that died? Was it because they didn't have God on their side? Or was simply completely incompatible with the teachings of Jesus, the same man who literally told them to put down the sword because he who takes up the sword dies by the sword?

>>620859

They tried. Jesus told them not to SO THE SCRIPTURES MAY BE FULFILLED. Violence and domination is compatible with Christianity. Rome was told to CONQUER under the sign of the cross. DEUS VULT

>>620863

Conquer a lot, do ya? LARPers make me chuckle.

>>620024

>low standard pagan

>not low standard Christian

>if I do this completely heretical shit I can still go to heaven

>>620910

>I can't tell the difference between innocuous folk custom and dogma - the post.

>>620038

Oh, look, Lord, it's that abuse of Scriptures argument again!