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f56572 No.619090

How would you convince someone who is a philosophical theist to become a Christian? I grew up in the Protestant Church, became an agnostic, and have been compelled by Edward Feser to reconsider theism, but I am reluctant to put stock in any one religious tradition after my disillusionment with Protestantism.

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4b9126 No.619109

Why wouldn't God intervene in the world? Is that somehow beyond His power? He created the universe but can't intervene in it? If God did intervene in the world, wouldn't there be a tradition of that intervention? It seems like something that people would remember. The religions of the world are mutually contradictory and incompatible. Obviously one is right and the others wrong. Find the tradition the world that best upholds the memory of the intervention into the world of an all-powerful creator God. The next question is why would God intervene in the world?The answer to that is love. What religion teaches the love of God?


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13e260 No.619113

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>>619109

I know you're trying to make people Christian but.


07716a No.619117

the leap of faith is usually too much for anyone who believes that energy, karma, or nature is God. That is easy.

However you can talk to him about the historicity of the Gospels.


9f2cd3 No.619130

>>619090

https://youtu.be/Zp7gAm6TxFw

listen to this video, read more of ed feser. im a catholic and that video only made my faith stronger. i came from a similar place as you.


f56572 No.619140

>>619130

Thanks anon, this is the kind of thing I was looking for. I'm at the point where I can affirm that

God exists

Jesus existed

and the New Testament is probably more or less historically accurate

The question is (for me) specifically about the doctrine of the Trinity, the relation between Judaism and Catholicism (especially the conception of law), and the validity of some of the Catholic/Orthodox doctrines/dogmas like Marian devotion, the use of icons/statues, the apparent impotence of Christianity (in a Nietzschean sense)


13a698 No.619148

>>619090

For you op when it comes to the metaphysical, i'd recommend another youtuber Jay Dyer who specializes in orthodoxy. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnt7Iy8GlmdPwy_Tzyx93bA

Have a look cause some really critical hitting points on his channel about theology.


0c932a No.619235

>>619140

on marian devotion: look into dulia, hyperdulia, and latria; the three forms of devotion, being to the saints, mary, and god respectively and in ascending order. on the impotence of christianity: this can be reconciled with history and looking at the lives of some saints but yeah go ahead and look deeper into that if it bothers you so much.

i would like some trinity explaining as well, im curious


6c4b47 No.619309

>>619090

>>619140

Not sure how to address all of those since I'm not sure what you mean about the conception of law between Judaism and Catholicism (unless you're meaning is the old testament 'Judaism'? Because Christianity and modern Talmudic parsing really couldn't be more different), but the ones I can:

>The validity of some of the Catholic/Orthodox doctrines/dogmas like Marian devotion, the use of icons/statues

This really comes down to authority, I'm sure there's been much theology trying to arrive at Marian devotion from first principles or directly from scripture, but even being a Catholic I don't find such arguments very convincing. the bottom line is that Christ built the church and imbued it with Divine authority; they have the authority in declaring spiritual practice valid or invalid. All arguments about such differences in ritual practice ultimately rest on you accepting their authority. If you wish to determine if their authority is genuine through examining practice, I believe this is impossible. Mother Church has often been mistaken, but can never relinquish authority in scriptural interpretation. I may agree much more with a Southern baptist about sodomy than I would the average Jesuit, but the fact remains that one can administer valid sacraments and one cannot.

>The doctrine of the Trinity

This is one which I feel has been fairly effectively tackled both from first principles and from scripture, but I couldn't do those arguments justice, you'd do best to look up the abundance of Catholic writings on the subject. (Pleb summary: a perfectly loving God requires three persons, because simple 'self-love', which would be necessary of a Unitarian God pre-creation, is imperfect).

>The impotence of Christianity

Are you speaking politically, militarily, socially?

In any case, historically the strength of Christianity has often peaked and waned, this isn't the first moment in history where people feared that the faith was dying, and won't be the last, but we've outlasted them all.

Also I know this may be a wasted effort, but in case you're considering Christianity in contrast to (God forbid) islam or paganism, my favorite argument would be to look at each one as a predictive system of humanity; do you really believe the phsychological models that islam or any other religion have of the human being are nearly so accurate or profound as Christianity's? Assuming you can recognize that, surely it's against the odds that this is just the sum of the folk wisdom of the backward nomads that were the Israelites (as shown in there hurry to worship a golden bull when left to their own devices, lol). As well just consider their end times prophesies, does it strike you as more likely that anti-christ will eventually hold power over all the world, or will the entirety of Earth be converted to Islam where we will live in a war free utopia? Universal evil upon earth is terrifying, universal happiness upon earth is absurd.


b56fa3 No.619692

>OP asks about Christianity

<Immediately begin adverting your sect and/or launching halfcocked polemics against other religions

Between this obsession with muslims and racial shit here I now hate this board.


a8223d No.621102

>>619692

I'm sure you'll hate my board (https://questchan.org/cathedral) more because of my efforts in trying to advertise it.




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