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d2ba03 No.618618

Its been said that God doesn't interfere with freewill and that is the key reason why evil plagues mankind here on earth. However, bearing in mind that humans are intrinsically sinful(being free and intelligent), there is a notion that human beings will be made incapable of sin once in heaven; also implied by Jesus in luke 20: 27-36 ( his response to the saducees' question on the wife with 7 husbands). Since our freewill & intelligence are elemental to our sinful character, then this removal of our sinful character in heaven suggests that our very nature will be altered. So how is it that it people will assert God's refusal to meddle with freewill, when that freewill is a fundamental obstacle to our conformance with His laws. The second question being, why not just create beings incapable of sin in the first place.

Luke 20:27-36 (NKJV)

Then some of the Sadducees, who deny that there is a resurrection, came to Him and asked Him, saying: “Teacher, Moses wrote to us that if a man’s brother dies, having a wife, and he dies without children, his brother should take his wife and raise up offspring for his brother. Now there were seven brothers. And the first took a wife, and died without children. And the second took her as wife, and he died childless. Then the third took her, and in like manner the seven also; and they left no children, and died. Last of all the woman died also. Therefore, in the resurrection, whose wife does she become? For all seven had her as wife.” Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

90a223 No.618628

>>618618

Our will in heaven will be entirely concordant with His. On earth, we act against His will because of temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil. When our bodies are perfected, the devil banished, and the world purified, there will be no reason to act in opposition to God. Similar to when Christ states that His will is one with the Father's–not through any sort of coercion, but through love.

>why not just create beings incapable of sin in the first place

He created us with free will and we create sin through our actions. The way your question is worded almost makes it seem like He created us with a desire to sin


d2ba03 No.618643

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>>618628

I brought this up because Christians often invoke freewill as a way to maneuver out of the philosophical problem of evil conundrum. This was simply an attempt to rubbish the notion that "God never fails to respect freewill" by showing that God actually has no qualms about violating freewill. If God can arbitrarily violate mankind's freewill then this common christian defense against that old philosophical question is fallacious. Furthermore, I don't think my suppositions are unfounded because its often alleged that God is not the author of evil and that evil is as a result of human sin or mankind's desire to reject the will of God. So I concluded that the reason humans are able to reject the will of God is because they possess their own freedom of choice and the intelligence to explore and discover sin.


00ea00 No.618746

Let the mysteries be mysteries brother.


90a223 No.618830

>>618643

Free will is the reason for sin. It is not being evasive to say that, but is actually quite straightforward because we are the ones who choose sin. As for God violating free will, He does not. If you read my post you would see the argument:

>Our will in heaven will be entirely concordant with His. On earth, we act against His will because of temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil. When our bodies are perfected, the devil banished, and the world purified, there will be no reason to act in opposition to God. Similar to when Christ states that His will is one with the Father's–not through any sort of coercion, but through love.

God does not give us free will so that we can explore and discover sin. He gives it to us out of love and mercy, creating us in His own image; He gives it to us so that we can experience blessedness and happiness eternally with Him. God abhors sin and does not desire any of His creation to fall into it.


e72a21 No.618835

>>618618

>However, bearing in mind that humans are intrinsically sinful

>made in the image of God

>intrinsically sinful

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c42c09 No.619607

1) humans were not made sinful, but they chose to be so

2) free will will not be "removed"after death, it is one of the organically connected trait of mankind, one of the quality that makes us image and likeness of God. In heaven, human will will be in synergy with God's but not removed.




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