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make them stop having buttsex

>What to do with homosexuals in society

Expel all jews from the media, hollywood, and the entire entertainment industry and sodomites will cease to be a problem.

>>615293

Do you have really good evidence that they're behind this. I'm open to learning more but I don't want some Alex Jones / Protocols tier stuff. These gays seem to hate Jews just as much as Christians, although the primary target is always Christians.

Reminder that for millennia, your Christian ancestors killed them on sight.

<but that's not nice!

(((Nice)))

>>615296

>Leviticus 20:13

My feeling is that I would want public promotion of homosexuality to be illegal. If people want to do things discreetly, knowing it's a sin, well I can understand that. Everyone has their vices that we do, but we don't go around trying to convince the world that it's actually totally fine to be an alcoholic.

I'm starting to think that this gay nonsense is the core of why people's faith is dying. My sister has basically left the church because she thinks it's homophobic. She doesn't even know a single gay person.

>>615297

If you have some good sources to educate me on the JQ issue of this I would appreciate it. It seems like (((they))) get criticized for being homophobic too by many.

>>615297

This so much.

>>615298

>My feeling

Scripture is the only thing that matters though, not feelings.

>>615302

>I have same-sex attractions and I'm a Catholic.

>We're not all bad

Why don't you guys follow the Bible?

>>615296

>>615300

>>615303

>Implying laws in Leviticus matter.

Stop LARPing

>>615304

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"

1. Corinthians 6:9

>>615306

Sure, but that doesn't mean the laws in Leviticus weren't fulfilled by Jesus.

>>615305

>I have SSA but live a celibate life.

Do you know what God thinks about homos? Also, stop calling it "Same sex attractions" like som sjw, you're a faggot and being one is a choice, not something you're born as.

>>615307

I guess somehow I missed heaven and earth passing away.

>>615309

>What does He think?

Sodom and Gomorrah should give you a hint

>I call it same-sex attractions because I don't identify with the "homosexual" movement and faggot is just an insult.

Faggot

>I don't choose to have same-sex attractions and I wish that I didn't

Yes, you do. No one is born a junkie or a drunk or a wifebeater either.

>>615309

Also

>anime picture

>sodomite

Hmmmm

All this shit-flinging applies to lesbians too, right?

>>615302

>>615309

of all the possible pixel arrangement supported by this site that can be attached to your post, in a thread regarding homosexual activity you have chosen to upload an anime character

anime really is a sin, just like the meme says

>>615295

"Jews" aren't a religious group, they're an ethnic one. Something like 70%~ of Jew's aren't religiously Jewish.

>>615319

Oh, it's you. You called me a meanie in a thread a couple of months ago, I was the one who told you to stop being a fag and start lifting weights because your "homosexuality" is really just the result of severe lack of masculinity

. I'm just telling you what the Bible teaches m8. Whatever lie you're telling yourself, no you weren't born gay because that is impossible. All homos have fallen for Satan's temptations, just like any junkie. I don't think you're reprobate though, but if you don't stop being a fag before you die you're going to hell.

>>615288

Let them be, and stop lowering ourselves to their level with debate. They know the Truth of Christ (all of mankind does in the depths of their soul, and it is expressed falsely but valiantly through various philosophies, morals, and religious systems, but they do know the Law of God) as well as we do, but choose to deny it and profane it. They see the testimonies of true Christian living, but choose to abhor it. Nothing can be done by evil and nothing should be done by evil.

But what we can do is ensure that no one will behave this way again, by holding strong to the family unit and ensuring that children are raised in the Truth.

And for the love of all that's holy, censor your children's media ("me and my house shall worship the Lord"), nothing wrong with that. Even restrict it outright, by you yourself not engaging in it. They will never call you a hypocrite and never will desire what they were not raised with. If they fall into degeneracy as an adult they'll boomerang back as soon as they see the suffering and pain of sin.

And never forget the unceasing prayer, more important than all activism and every other thing you can do. But always have mercy on them and those who abstain from their disordered attraction for Christ, because they do no sin.

>>615322

Thanks for the advice, man.

I've been trying, but I like to chime in whenever people shit on Christians with same-sex attractions because I don't think it's fair.

>>615293

I think you mean expel all Jews and fags from your country.

Before we start asking ourselves what to do with homosexuals, its important to remind society about the nature of homosexuality and dispel the whole "born this way" meme. It needs to be reestablished that same-sex attraction is the result of psychological damage.

Andersonites and people tossing around "kill the reprobates" should educate themselves on conversion therapy and listen to testimonies of ex-homosexuals who have been, by God's grace, delivered from their perversions and gone on to have procreative marriages. A conflicted same-sex attracted individual is not necessarily reprobate (yet) and we should fight for each and every one of them.

>>615324

Ignore the haters, fallen world, fallen order. We all resist it and fight our battles, you have against lust for men, I have against lust for women. And so on and so forth.

God bless anon, and grace be with you!

>>615302

>i have SSA

If you can suppress it, why do you feel the need to announce on an anonymous imageboard that you're a closet faggot? Faggots reek of sexual narcissism.

>>615324

>Thanks for the advice, man.

np

>>615324

>I've been trying, but I like to chime in whenever people shit on Christians with same-sex attractions because I don't think it's fair.

I'm really truly only telling you what Scripture says m8. It doesn't really matter what any human thinks or feels, all that matter's is the Word of God. And homosexuality, according to Scripture is an abomination and it seems to stand out in the Bible as a sin worse than other sins.

>>615303

>Why don't you guys follow the Bible?

Why don't you? 1 Cor 6:9-11

>>615330

Anon, this is a thread about homosexuality. It's only natural that someone struggling with the issue would come forward to talk about it.

>>615288

Don’t worry about the blood donation bit so much; blood gets hella tested prior to being banked these days

>>615324

Can't really be bothered going through the posts of that anon sperging out and calling you a fag. Or responding to him either.

Just wanted to say to you anon, good work for having the will power to stay celibate. And keep on posting, I'm sure theres plenty of people with SSA on this board and it might motivate them to live a celibate life if they hear from someone with the same issues talking about how they're conquering it. I'm sure you can give them some nice advice too.

On that note, what advice would you give to an anon with SSA? I normally get into talks in Catholic generals on 8/2chan's /pol/ and all I can really say is pretty weak advice seeing how I haven't struggled with it.

Regardless I'll be praying that you might some day find a woman that you will be attracted to and love.

>>615330

I believe its a good thing to have him talk about it, if more people suffering same sex attraction get tips on becoming celibate or how to deal with it. Then less of God's children will find themselves on the path to damnation.

>>615346

>celibate

Not needed, conversion therapy works.

>>615346

Being a celibate homo is still a sure ticket to Hell Anon. God doesn't hate homosexuality less just because it's not acted upon.

>>615302

>We're not all bad

Considering you said you're a Catholic with SSA and didn't identify as a gay, I take it you're not a sodomite (or are at least not a current one, and you've repented if this was in the past). You're just a dude that struggles with a certain sin. We all struggle with sin. I have zero ill will toward you or anyone like you, being that you're my brother in Christ.

I have less a problem with sodomites than I do with this horrendous and anti-Christ society that glorifies and encourages this sin. That's why I said we should expel the jews that glorify and encourage this behavior. Without them, many more could be saved, both from a meaningless and degenerate life, and from eternal hellfire.

>>615295

>Do you have really good evidence that they're behind this. I'm open to learning more but I don't want some Alex Jones / Protocols tier stuff. These gays seem to hate Jews just as much as Christians, although the primary target is always Christians.

No conspiracy is needed. Just look at who owns and is on the board of media companies, who runs every single hollywood studio, who owns every mainstream media outlet, and who runs the porn studios. It's jews. Then look at who is behind the gay "rights" movement, and literally every single nation-weakening anti-Christ movement. Again it is jews.

They hate Christ with a burning passion and will do everything they can to subvert our nations and make them even more anti-Christ. None of this is coincidental.

>>615315

Doubly so.

>>615325

Ideally. That would solve all problems, pretty much. But just removing them from influence would end this whole gay nonsense, at the least.

>>615367

I'm not sure about this. Care to explain more? I'm not disagreeing, I've just always thought acting upon it or entertaining intrusive thoughts was what is sinful.

>>615312

You are going to be spending a LONG time in purgatory I'd suspect. He's literally saying he rejects it. What, sinners abandoning the sin and asking for forgiveness isn't good enough for you?

You're pretty passionate about this. It seems more like a personal thing - did you spend time "praying the gay away" yourself? Is that why you're so sure it works?

>>615302

>Anime pic

>Gay post

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and think you've reformed, but I'm definitely noticing a pattern here.

>>615348

Evidence?

>>615391

>He's literally saying he rejects it

Does he though? Homosexuality doesn't occur naturally.

Just look at how homosexuals act in this thread. Yes, they deserve death for their abomination

>>615399

>>615406

Testimonies of ex-homosexuals. There are many more online; not the commonalities of their childhoods, substance abuse, etc. and many of them thought they were "born that way" originally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx1TYTnHgKU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EahmmQzZWXA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_cff7paPs8

>>615438

(((JewTube))) has deleted some of those most prominent ex-gay testimony channels, so download these videos while you still can.

>>615440

He's a heretic by his own words, and he believes his membership to a "church" is a substitute for faith and obedience. He is a false Christian.

>>615380

Is Tim Gill a Jew?

>>615406

For a while some homo would spam our threads with Felix.

Adventually he branched out with various anime characters.

>>615459

He's funded National Jewish Health. I don't think he's a jew, but he's a very good goy.

http://archive.is/OPg1c

I hope this is an honest question and not an an attempt example that "proves" anything wrong. Outliers exist and not every single person pushing the kike agenda is a kike themselves (see "Christian" zionists as a good example).

>>615494

It's an honest question, I did see when trying to search if he was a Jew or not and just saw he donated to there, but found it odd I couldn't find anything about his family background anywhere else. Was wondering if it was hidden or not. But if people have some actual good evidence about this stuff and (((them))) it would be appreciated more than just saying oh look at hollywood etc.

>>615467

>Jesus Christ's death on the cross sufficed for all sins

>except this one, sorry Christ

this is you

>>615524

God hates the works of faggots, but hopes for their redemption.

I still wish sodomy was outlawed, though.

>>615531

romans 1

>>615534

Where does St. Paul say that any of those who repent will not be forgiven? You are not God, you do not know the hearts of men, neither do you actually know who is the elect.

Do you recall the parable of the prodigal son?

>>615556

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

>>615558

I asked for where it says that Christ's sacrifice isn't enough for repentant homosexuals, and you have yet to provide it.

>>615534

>>615558

Why do you interpret Romans 1 in a way which contradicts :

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

>>615560

With a novel reading of 'and such were some of you' that includes the fornicators, idolators, thieves, covetous, drunkard, revilers and extortioners but not the sodomites.

We need to establish the role of a single celibate person as a valid option in society and not something to be ashamed of. The secular world is fighting against this all the way, there's romance and sex everywhere in media, being single is equated with having something wrong with you. But it's also a problem in the church as well, in Catholicism for instance many people with SSA will go into the priesthood so they never have to confront those feelings, but we all know how that has turned out. Many protestant communities pressure everyone into marriage, and you end up with people trying to fake it until they make it, that is until a scandal breaks out.

This problem extends beyond homosexuals, and it's one of the least recognized problems in secular society today. We don't need to preach that it's ok to be gay, just that it's ok to be single.

>>615288

>What on earth do we do with this cancer that has been allowed to spread so much?

eradicate

>>615583

Indeed, we ought to do that.

lmao his expressions are perfect

>>615599

them muslim

matthew 19:12, matthew 5:29-30, matthew 18:8, mark 9:43-47

encourage them to get castrated so they stop sinning. they are an abomination in God's eye, but if they chop off their balls and penis they wont have any sexual desire and they will stop their sinning

Christ never said to murder sinners

>>615625

I know how it feels…I’m almost out of that tunnel, but it took me a long while and a good deal of effort to put an end to those thoughts and lustful desires.

The anons here are a bit harsh, but they have seen the fruits which the tolerance of such behaviours brought forth.

Even when I was an homosexual I always opposed such “rights”, for they were too “bourgeois” and wanted to make homosexuality something close to “the norm”, which is its opposite. Now I’m against them for many more reasons and I also know how bad one can feel when in that spot.

>they said, knowing full well there's people on this board who suffer from SSA

Love our brothers and neighbors, friends.

>>615575

>>615560

If you want an answer, it's because they think "abusers of themselves with men" doesn't mean homosexuals.

This is of course, wrong. The original greek very clearly means homosexual. But as individuals who put a human translation over the actual words of the author, they are slaves to the words of men and their hearts remain stone.

>>615636

I'm sure there was a thread earlier about a high-test person that had been struggling with lust for years and decided to become a eunuch. It was concluded that castration is a destruction of the body God gave you and is therefore, not permissable.

>>615323

Pretty much the only good response to the OP ITT

>>615441

Who, the gay convert or the NZ interviewer?

>>615319

Anon, have you ever once been attracted to a girl? Did anything happen in your childhood? Putting the homosexuality aside, do you feel like your pretty normal when it comes to sex or perverted?

>>615767

>Who, the gay convert or the NZ interviewer?

The homosexual man; I don't use the euphemism "gay" unless I'm hiding my powerlevel from normies. If I had to make a gues, I'd say the interviewer too. And probably the entire denom which is accepting this type of man into their "church".

>>615310

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Wow its like it never was abolished but it was fulfilled. amazing

>>615877

>sodomy is not a temptation common to man.

Homosexuality is found in all cultures on the planet and across all time periods. Seems pretty common to me.

Also, you did not address 1 Cor 6:11 where Paul explicitly says homosexuals were washing, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

>>615878

faggot detected

>>615878

>Seems pretty common to me.

No straight man(non-reprobate) is tempted with faggortry. Don't be a fool.

>>615907

>No straight man(non-reprobate) is tempted with faggortry.

I didn't say straight men were. More importantly, the text says "common to man". Not "common to straight men." Further, all manner of sexual immorality is common to man. Quit torturing the text to justify your bigotry.

>>615903

>faggot detected

What a well reasoned argument, anon.

>>615914

>>615907

>>615878

>>615877

Please stop arguing that sodomy is natural. We must answer the Andersonite according to his own folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes. Same-sex attraction is a perversion and due to psychological/spiritual damage, possibly even demonic possession. The real crux of the issue is: is every same-sex attracted person a reprobate, beyond grace and incapable of faith? Or does the Bible teach that such people can be cleansed by the blood of Jesus and turned from their wicked ways? I've yet to see someone debunk the verse from Corinthians posted above, and if you think all same-sex attracted individuals are reprobate, you're going to have to ignore that verse.

>>615917

> The real crux of the issue is: is every same-sex attracted person a reprobate, beyond grace and incapable of faith?

I didn't say this.

Sodomy(aka """"same-sex attraction"""") is a result of being reprobate, comitting sodomy does not make you a sodomite, because sodomy is not a temptation common to man.

>>615765

>It was concluded that castration is a destruction of the body God gave you and is therefore, not permissable.

ye nah, thats just what the highly offended cuck-squad concluded. people who actually follow the words of Jesus are eager to get their balls chopped off. all homos, pedos and sexual degenerates should get castrated 4 Jesus

i am that guy who started that thread and my opinions havent changed, Jesus directly tells to to chop ye balls off and i intend to do just that

>destruction of the body God gave you and is therefore, not permissable.

uugh, sush a weak disingenuous argument. circumcision is the same destruction of the "temple of God' or whatever, but Jesus defends it through and through

john 7:22-23

22Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.

23If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

>>615928

Why do you even bother posting? If we can't even agree on the definition of words, we will never be able to find enough common ground to come to a conclusion on the issue.

Also, you didn't present an argument. But ad hominems make you feel smart, don't they, little guy?

>>615930

Would you rather I use faggot instead? They burn in hell regardless of what I call them, and you know exactly who I'm talking about.

>>615921

>comitting sodomy does not make you a sodomite

This statement is absolutely incoherent regardless of the definitions you adopt.

>>615929

>You're retarded. Sodomite is very clearly defined in the Christian context. Stop grasping at straws, moron.

>>615921 literally said "committing sodomy doesn't make you a sodomite.

Wtf else is a "sodomite" in the "Bibical context"??

I'm not grasping at straws. You aren't even presenting arguments. 1 Cor 6:9-11 very clearly says homosexuals have been washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of Christ. Yet you are ignoring it and arguing they are all damned as reprobates.

>>615932

I meant to say committing sodomy does not make you a reprobate*

>>615933

Abusers of themselves with mankind doesn't mean homosexual.

>>615934

>committing sodomy does not make you a reprobate

But it does make you a sodomite, right? So you've now admitted that being a sodomite does not make you a reprobate.

>>615935

Called it

>>615686

I put the numbers backwards last time.

>>615935

>Abusers of themselves with mankind doesn't mean homosexual.

Wrong.

http://biblehub.com/greek/733.htm

>>615940

>Are you dense?

It's revealing that I'm just stating the natural conclusions of your own statements, without any implied premises, and you take that as stupidity.

As for the rest of your post, you are now drawing a distinction between men who engage in homosexual sex and people who burn with same-sex attraction, in a quite convoluted attempt to misinterpret 1 Cor 6:9-11

>>615942

People who engage in homosexual sex, and men who burn in their lust towards other men are brute beasts(Jude), and are one in the same.

>>615940

>>615946

Between the name calling, making incoherent statements, being unable to keep track of your own contradicting premises, and outright inability to reason, I've concluded that further conversation with you is fruitless.

>>615304

Yes the laws in Leviticus still do matter. We still forbid incest and bestiality don't we?

>>615302

>Sodomite

>Catholic

pick one, you heretic.

>>615319

>What about men that are attracted to other men but abstain from sex? That's basically my situation.

You obviously shill for faggotry here by 'we're not all that bad' meme... that is th problem. That is not a sign of repentance. It is as if a former porn addict shilled for porn - it just does not happen.

Take your cross and follow Jesus Christ - whatever that cross might be(porn, booze, sodomy...)

If you're not an active faggot why even insist on having the special status 'SSA but not faggot'?

Why shill about it?

The Christ knows your struggles. No need to broadcast to other people 'Hey I struggle so much with this I am actually a special one'

Nobody here has any problem with you taking your cross by abstaining from sin.What people do mind is somebody obviously pushing 'we're not all the same' meme, 'do not be that harsh on sodomites'. Memes used again and again to normalize sodomy.

I'll put it another way: You being a faggot is not your identity. Sodomy is an active sin. Somebody is more prone to that. Others indulge in booze, whatever. Since you make it part of your identity you shill for faggotry.

Do not be surprised that people dislike that.

>>616067

"faggot faggot faggot" Are you a closet homo yourself ? Otherwise you might want to curb this blunt language and be charitable

>>616107

And then you go and prove him correct on all points. You're incredibly self-unaware. Oh and whacking it to gay porn is not being "celibate".

>>615288

I feel your pain. Just wait until jesus comes back. He will deal with them and we will get to watch. I have had to spend years with them theyre insufferable. God is gonna judge us bigtime

>>616107

I would agree. If they want to do nasty shit like that they should keep it to themselves and it should be taboo in society.

>>619925

They're not a sodomite if they haven't engaged in sodomy.

>>619890

>God is gonna judge us bigtime

I think he already has. Families are falling apart, diseases are spreading, nations are being invaded, we're ruled by foreigners and are slowly being enslaved, men and women hate each other, parents feed on their children's futures, men seek death and can't find it, persecution is coming as is the antichrist. God's wrath has already started. God doesn't need to rain fire and brimstone like he did on Sodom, it's his universe and his wrath can be the simple consequences of our own foolishness just as the israelites did in the old testament. What's so tragic about it is we can repent anytime we're ready.

>>615298

>I'm starting to think that this gay nonsense is the core of why people's faith is dying.

It could be like what Kaczynski said about political correctness. These people subconsciously feel that gays are repulsive but they sympathize with them because they feel like society views them as repulsive. They tolerate homosexuals because only because they themselves want to be tolerated.

ITT: having an urge and acting on that urge are the same thing.

>>620639

Lust is inordinate desire. Attraction is desire. Attraction to a member of the same sex is an inordinate desire by definition. Homosexuality is lust. Lust is a sin. Homosexuality is a sin, not just the act of Sodomy. Homosexuality is not the equivalent of normal heterosexual desire. Homosexuality is lust by definition, because no amount of sexual desire toward a person of the same sex is ever ordinate. Having homosexual urges and acting on those urges are both sin. The latter is a worse sin than the former.

>>620810

lmao

>>620810

>>620820

>lmao in reference to text of post

>just read the pic after posting

wtf, please tell me that's shopped

>>621478

>promoting promiscuity and sexual intercourse outside marriage

Also, don’t call yourself a faggot… I have SSA issues, but I don’t think being a faggot is the same. Unless you are sleeping around with men and acting queer.

>>615293

God didn't bother with changing the media structure in Sodom, just saying.

>>623227

Not all homosexuals are fags, all fags are homosexuals.

>>619925

>he believes his membership to a "church" is a substitute for faith and obedience

You cannot justify that statement with anything he says

>>615288

Convert them, sweetie.

>>623225

Great point.

>>623235

Homosexual and fag are literally synonyms.

>>623351

As I stated, not all homosexuals are gays/fags: a chaste and modest homosexual who believes in God is far away from those reprobates.

>>623354

>homosexual who believes in God

If they believed in God, they wouldn't practice sodomy.

>>623355

Exactly: chaste and modest ones.

>What on earth do we do with this cancer that has been allowed to spread so much?

Nothing. We believe in our Lord, for all of this is his plan.

>>615297

I thought we couldnt kill……

>>615309

you just like jacking off to gay weeb shit and you know it, stop wasting earthly resources and do something about it or perish. you cannot fool god.

The fact that they took the colors of rainbow as their own is insulting enough for a Christian. Rainbow is a symbol of God's promise to humanity.

I don't know how to start but how do I cure my homosexuality? Please don't tell me to kill myself. I don't need that.

Thanks.

>>623360

>homosexual

>chaste and modest

>believes in God

Saying homosexuals are "chaste and modest" is the same as Chris Chan saying he's "true and honest".

>>625465

Pray that God may give you strength to control your lust. Like priests and monks out there who have given up sex for God, you should too.

>>625677

There are chaste homosexuals, just like there are chaste heterosexuals. There are promiscuous homosexuals, just like there are adulterous heterosexuals. Nobody is more free from sinning than others.

>>625702

>>625699

If he was a reprobate he wouldn't seeks help about it…

You can do it, you're a human before all, pray the Lord and be chaste.

>>625707

>ass to mouse

Who's the faggot now.

>>625708

You for defending fags

>>625709

I'm not defending you tho.

>>625712

Cause I'm not a fag

>>625697

>Equating sodomy to sex

>"sin is equal guys, being a sodomite is the same as other sins ya know"

Homosexual is a made up term by humanist sociologists. They are called sodomites and reprobates and that is what they are. Stop trying equate a sodomite to an average person. Fornication is a grave sin, but sodomy is always a million times worse. Stop trying to defend reprobates.

>>625713

Sure thing ass to mouse guy.

>>625719

They're both in the grave sins category, sooo… no need to discriminate coz both may get you to hell if you don't confess anyway. The gravest of all sins is still abortion though, that's the one that gets you excommunicated, not homosex. I'm not even sure if homosexuality is graver than fornication, coz from what I get, sodomy is actually butt sex and bestiality. Either way, there's no solid evidence that sodomy is strictly homosexual sex.

>average person

The average man loves penis. Watch an Ogi Ogas vid.

>>625729

Nope, nowhere it said it brings you closer to hell than fornication does. It only said that pagans are shit eating barbarians because they ignored God.

>>625731

>>625707

Fags are reprobate and are doomed. They have lost their chance to be saved.

>>625724

>Ogi Ogas

>literally the closest thing to a Kinsey 2.0

Unbridled perversion ruins society, stop trying to defend and rationalize sodomy.

>>625734

okay sweetie bunny

>>625735

Ogi Ogas is an engineer, not a psychologist. Also, you might not agree with his opinion that men who like dicks are not gay, but the factual fact based on statistics is a very large chunk of men who look up porn look up for dicks, and futanari is very popular among "straight" men.

>defend and rationalize sodomy

Do I? Are you stupid.

If anything, you're trying to rationalize fornication by saying that it's less sinful than homosex.

>>625736

>men who look up porn for dicks

>not gay

>it's a fact! also he's not like Kinsey ya know

Yeah, just like how Kinsey questioned prisoners and prostitutes in his "research", this guy got his statistics from porn addicted perverts.

>>625737

>The punishment for fornication in the bible is the man in question has to pay money to the girl's father and then marry her

>The punishment for sodomy is death

>"You're the one trying to rationalize fornication by saying it's less sinful!"

>>625738

>this guy got his statistics from porn addicted perverts

which means that if you were porn addicted to, it might also happen to you

>>625739

Nope, still doesn't disprove mein argument.

>>625742

>if you were porn addicted, this would happen to you

Gee, it's almost as if sodomy is a dysfunction or something. Perversion begets perversion.

>>625751

This.

Stop persecuting girls for being raped. Then they won't enslave men to be proxy soldiers against you. Like did you even read the Talmud?

Round up every single fag and burn all of them in a massive pit of fire and chop the limbs of those who dare to fight back

>>625820

>kjv translation

Baptist confirmed.

>Tell me how you interpret that.

v18

>p straightforward

v 19-20

>God manifests himself in every living being, so there's no excuse for such degeneracy just because you're not christian

v21-23

>pagans rejected the manifestation of god within them and started worshiping corruptible beings

v24-28

>therefore, since our kind God creates free will, He doesn't stop them from thinking and behaving like corruptible beings themselves

That's my interpretation. There's no talk about which sins are more sinful, but it's a talk about how God is supposed to be evident for everyone. However, the pagans made no attempt to understand their manifestation of God better, so they fell into that degeneracy. "Handed them over" means God endorses free will, you're free to be corrupt if you desire to, but be aware that His wrath will come upon you.

>Those who reject God are made fags by god and are beyond salvation.

No, those who reject God become fags by their own will.

>They were given many chances to repent but have chosen to forsake Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross so God gave them over to a reprobate mind.

No, they were given evidence of God's existence, but they chose to worship animals and humans instead of God, so they start to think like animals instead of God as well. It's because they consider corruptible beings as their role model instead of God.

>>625823

Just to clarify I'm not disputing that God endorses free will.

>>625846

So you should know that man chooses to do homosexual act through free will, not some kind of God's curse.

>>625843

For a denomination that constantly winges about sola scriptura, you'd think you would know that God is love and therefore doesn't hate anyone.

Also God didn't make anyone a fag, you become a fag yourself.

>>625896

God has unleashed enough hell. He has sent His son who fulfilled the old law and warned us about His next wrath upon earth, which is reserved for the coming apocalypse.

I don't see the correlation between God's wrath and homosexuality being God's curse anyway. You're like talking out of your butt.

>>625902

I forgot to point out

>"God has unleashed enough hell"

t. hasn't read the book of revelation

>>625902

Lowest iq post of this board

>>625904

We've talked about that, and I've interpreted it with details. Oh wait, there are more than 1 dumb brainlet posters around here.

>>625908

t. not enough iq to know that revelation = apocalypse

>>625915

Just to further disprove your nonsensical interpretation of Romans 1

Corinthians 6:15-20

15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Only the saved have god manifested within them.

>>625920

is this you? >>625843

>reprobate mind (sense in the vulgate)

A harmful mind that could make you a reprobate if you don't repent.

>"Handed them over means God endorses free will"

Yeah. Handing over means passing responsibility to someone/something else. Because God has no responsibility to dictate you like a baby, so if you reject his words, then it's out of His responsibility to make you listen. Of course you can still repent and listen if you want to, but for that moment you are a responsibility of gravely sinful minds.

>>625922

>Corinthians 6:15-20

So any kind of fornication is a sin against the body, not just homosexual acts.

>>625942

What part of "rejected by God" do you not understand. You cannot be saved if you are rejected by God. You are beyond hope of salvation. That is what it means to be a reprobate.

All sodomites are reprobate

t. Romans 1

>confessions abolishes sin

Yeah lets just ignore that Jesus Christ died for our sins.

You need to repent, my friend. Only faith through Jesus Christ will grant you everlasting life.

Quick question are you a sodomite if you still don’t have Gay sex but you just have plenty of thoughts about it

>>625950

>Romans 1

1 Corinthians 6

>Reprobate means he rejects them completely

Sirach 15 Ezekiel 33

>Your sins were already absolved by Jesus Christ's death

And aplication of those merits are through baptism and confession. For baptism is "water of regneration and renewal" for "cleasining of sins" that "saves you". And confession is "ministry of reconciliation" that "forgive sins of those who you, priest, forgived" that cause "fear and glorification because God gave such power to men"

>not to mention that reprobate means they are beyond hope of salvation

1 John 2:2

>>625980

>>625980

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Matthew 5:28

So just replace "woman" with "man", "her" with "him", and "adultery" with "sodomy"

>>615288

Give them a role in society far-far away from it.

We should create a subordinate religious order that is explicitly for homosexuals and build monasteries for them in remote areas. There they should work and be self-sufficient and ISOLATED from the rest of society while performing valuable tasks.

What tasks? Get creative. Most monk orders have a mission statement, this one could also have one.

Just keep them the fuck away from children and impressionable people (wider society)

Of course we should also allow them therapy and rehabilitation, so that the select few that overcome their bad nature could rejoin society.

>>626106

Tbh, as someone that is staunchly an advocate of Leviticus 20:13 as an answer to the sodomite question, I like this idea. It's a good compromise as it physically removes the sodomites from wider society while still allowing them to repent for their sins giving them the oppertunity of salvation.

Maybe the US can make a "mt athos" esq monastery on one of the islands in Alaska.

>>626107

I think this is really the best option. Killing them all will only achieve uprisings and it will inevitably divide the people. People don't react well to the killing of their friends and family members. Mothers especially handle it terribly when their baby is murdered no matter the reason.

Also, removing them physically from society will have incredibly beneficial side effects. Our STD rates will plummet and by basically quarantening the hot-spot of STD's the problem will basically take care of itself.

Anons, why would God create homosexuals, only to curse them for existing?

>>626318

Homosexuality is a curse God put on those he has rejected

Romans 1:27-28

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

>>626155

We use our logic in interpreting the scripture, unlike you who are just talking out of yout asses and repeating the same crap just to support your bias.

>>626364

Give us an example of your logical interpretation then

>>626375

Do I have to post it twice, brainlet dude?

>>626386

>>626389

>>626392

Lame.

>>626364

Ah, yes. Use your infallible human logic, good idea! And when that doesn't work, just turn to the infallible argentinian and he'll tell you what to do!

>>626304

>Not my judgement. This is the judgement of God as he tells us in the Holy Bible.

>Leviticus 20:13

>13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

I am glad that you quoted Leviticus. Who is homosexual? "Man who lie with mankind". And know 1 Corinthians 6:

Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither (…) the effeminate malakoi [passive homosexuals] nor nor liers with mankind arsenokoitai [ (from árrhēn, "a male" and koítē, "a mat, bed") – properly, a man in bed with another man; a homosexual.].

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

>Ecclesiasticus 15

11 Say not: It is through God, that Wisdom is not with me: for do not thou the things that he hateth.

12 Say not: He hath caused me to err: for he hath no need of wicked men.

13 The Lord hateth all abomination of error, and they that fear him shall not love it.

14 God made man from the beginning, and left him in the hand of his own counsel.

21 He hath commanded no man to do wickedly, and he hath given no man license to sin:

22 For he desireth not a multitude of faithless and unprofitable children.

>Ezekiel 33

11 Say to them: As I live, saith the Lord God, I desire not the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way, and live. Turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways: and why will you die, O house of Israel?

>Romans 1

1 Corinthians 6

>If you fear God you will do good, but if you disregard God he will give you over to a reprobate mind. Fags are reprobates

And even reprobates are not beyond salvation. 1 Corinthians 6

>Book, chapter, and verse?

<And aplication of those merits are through baptism and confession. For baptism is "water of regneration and renewal" (Titus 3:5)

<for "cleasining of sins" (Ezekiel 36:25-27, Hebrews 10:22)

<that "saves you".(1 Peter 3:21)

< And confession is "ministry of reconciliation" (2 Corinthians 5)

<that "forgive sins of those who you, priest, forgived"(John 20:23)

< that cause "fear and glorification because God gave such power to men" (Matthew 9:8)

>Ephesians 2:8-9

<Sacraments

<Works

<Not outward signs of Grace

lol

>Jeremiah 6:30

And yet 1 Timothy 2:4 and 1 John 2:2. To quote Augustine:

God no doubt wishes all men to be saved 1 Timothy 2:4 and to come into the knowledge of the truth; but yet not so as to take away from them free will, for the good or the evil use of which they may be most righteously judged.

>God hates fags

So do Baptist so you have at least one thing in common.

How many fucking Wojaks do you people have?

>>626785

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-40801782

It wasn't a big group as it is depicted in Sodom, but a group of sodomites using rape as a violent tool nonetheless.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/03/revealed-male-used-systematically-in-libya-as-instrument-of-war

Sodomy used as a tool of War

https://www.aclu.org/news/texas-officials-complicit-gang-rape-and-sexual-slavery-gay-black-man-aclu-charges

sodomy used in prison culture to control people

>>626785

Rape mobs are very real, and sodomites rape children almost daily.

Based on this threat heaven must be a shithole full of resentful and hateful people pretending to have virtue, when in reality they spent their whole lives throwing shit at homosexuals, other races, other religions, etc. because they cherry pick what they want from the bible instead of acting like Jesus would.

I will enjoy my heaven full of good and heartful gay mexicans, kind chinese muslims and black trans buddhists.

>>626965

>I will enjoy my heaven full of good and heartful gay mexicans, kind chinese muslims and black trans buddhists.

this has to be bait lol

>>626965

>Christianity is a political ideology

You have to go back to the den you came from and start over from scratch. Best go to the RCIA of your local parish and learn what the faith is actually about. That goes for all the other subtle race worshipers, too.

>>627106

>It literally is meant to be the opposite of manly. There are many verses in the bible that teaches manliness.

And yet is also passive homosexuality

<Demosthenes is also implicated in passive homosexuality and the prostitution of youth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effeminacy#Ancient_Greece_and_Rome

And you still ignore " abusers of themselves with mankind," arsenokoitai [ (from árrhēn, "a male" and koítē, "a mat, bed").

Greek OT what Paul used reads Lev 20:13 as: And who ever should have bedded with a male (árrhēn) as the marriage-bed (koítē) of a woman an abomination did both to death let them be put to death! they are liable.

>Leviticus 18:22

>Leviticus 20:13

>Deuteronomy 22:5

>Ecclesiasticus 15:13

Use the same languge as Leviticus 20:13 WHICH IS THE SAME LANGUAGE that Corinthians 6:9-11 use which also IS CLEAR that:

And such (i.e. homosexuals) were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

>They rejected God so God rejects them in return

They rejected God so God withdraw his grace but that does not mean that God, who wish ALL to be saved, who died for WHOLE world cannot save them. Corinthians 6:9-11

>Sodomites are not one of them.

And such (i.e.arsenokoitai) were some of you

>They are not saved, cannot be saved.

But ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are washed, but ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are sanctified, but ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are justified

>No one who is saved has ever been a sodomite.

But ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are washed, but ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are sanctified, but ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are justified

>No one who is saved will ever be a sodomite because that would mean the were never saved from the start.

But ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are washed, but ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are sanctified, but ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are justified

> There is no mentioning of reprobates being saved in 1 Corinthians 6. None of those are reprobates.

But ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are washed, but ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are sanctified, but ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are justified

>Instead the washing of regeneration is reffering to baptism by the Holy Spirit(which is quite literally what it says when it says "Renewed by the Holy spirit" in Titus 3:5, renewed and regenerated are synonyms in this case)

Titus 3:5 use word loutron. It used twice. Onc here and once in Ephesians 5:26

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word.

>Which is mentioned very extensively in the book of Acts 1:4-5

> which is mentioned very extensively in the book of Acts 1:4-5,

Which speaks not about washing of regeneration but about coming of Holy Ghost, Confirmation 2:1-4,

>*2:14-18,

Again, speaks about Confirmation, not baptism, which is even more clear that after that Peter speaks about different thing in 2:38 which is Baptism.

>*4:31,

See above

>and especially Acts 1:15-16

I have no idea what Judas have to with it

>As well as in the 4 gospels, in Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16 and John 1:33.

And here John speaks about what Jesus call "Being born again of water and Holy Ghost". And had any claims of "this text do not mean what it plainly here" listen to John written after that

After these things Jesus and his disciples came into the land of Judea: and there he abode with them, and baptized.

If you are again to claim that John speak about coming of Holy Ghost then you must also claim that Holy Ghost came before Christ died.

>>627122

>Especially since Paul wrote the letter to Titus, why would he contradict himself considering what he wrote in Romans and Galatian

Romans 6:

3 Know you not that all we, who are 'baptized in Christ Jesus, are baptized in his death?

4 For we are buried together with him by baptism into death; that as Christ is risen from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we also may walk in 'newness' of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.

Baptism is renewal

Galatians 3

26 For you are all the children of God by faith, in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized in Christ, have put on Christ.

Again, Baptism is renewal

>t. relies on non-biblical sources to inform themselves on salvation and Christian belief

Says you, who listen to your pastor. Be not hypocrite. But to know that I speak truth listen to Apostle, Ephesians 3:2-10:

If yet you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me towards you.

What is the dispensation of the mystery [sacramenti] which hath been hidden from eternity in God.

>Romans 1:28

1 Timothy 2:4 And since you have such fethis of useing this one verse listen to next one:

29 Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers,

30 Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.

32 Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

2 Wherefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest. For wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself.

For thou dost the same things which thou judgest.

>You must be misunderstanding that people are born with the desire to commit sodomy. Sodomites are not born. They are made to be by God as punishment for those he has rejected.

<God create people to punish them

11 Say to them: As I live, saith the Lord God, I desire not the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way, and live. Turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways: and why will you die, O house of Israel?

>t. hasn't repented

Oh but I did. I await that you do the same.

>I will honestly be praying for you

Today is Good Friday. All of Church, billion souls, will be praying for you.

And here is bottom line of this. UNLESS you prove that arsenokoitai=/=men who lie with another men then your whole argument is null and void. This is core of this whole discurse, this is heart of all of this. Anserw me o brother, is arsenokoitai homosexual or not?

>>627136

Question: I used to be a homo; I still struggle with SSA at times, but I want to change. I do believe some of those people can change: would you agree some sinners can repent and make a U-turn with God's help?

God said he made it so sodomites will never repent. I want to believe that everyone has their whole life to repent but my interpretation of the bible tells me that God has made certain people unable to repent. Truth be told, I don't know. I can never know for sure about the salvation of others. I only know about my own salvation. If you can truly believe in Jesus Christ then you are not a reprobate. What matters the most is your own faith in Jesus Christ.

>>627123

1 Peter 3:21

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Baptism is works for the world, not for God. You are showing your faith to the world by doing this work. God can already see into your heart and mind. He doesn't need to be shown works.

>>627136

>They cannot be saved because they have been made unable to accept Jesus Christ. God made it so it is impossible for them to want to be saved. They are beyond hope of salvation.

And such (i.e. homosexuals) were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. But ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are washed, but ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are sanctified, but ye (i.e.arsenokoitai) are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

>Pharaoh was a reprobate too.

And yet God still asked him time and time to repent. He didn't of course but he was never beyond salvation. Even at the shores of Red Sea he could have repented.

>even IF this meant homosexual they still could not be saved. Anyone can be saved through Jesus Christ but God has given them over to a reprobate mind. They will never accept Jesus Christ.

This DO mean homosexual and they WERE saved. God disere all wicked to turn from thier sin.

>Acts 16:30-31

33 And he, taking them the same hour of the night, washed their stripes, and himself was baptized, and all his house immediately.

>"jk you also have to do some other stuff that I won't tell you about"

But Christ time and time again preached necessity of baptism. And so was his apostles, especially Paul and Peter.

>Ephesians 2:8-9

Ephesians 5:25 Christ also loved the church, and delivered himself up for it:

26 That he might sanctify it, cleansing it by the laver of water in the word of life:

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy, and without blemish.

>"jk you need to do some works too"

Galatians 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision: but faith that worketh by charity.

Also wasn't that you who just said that I did not repent yet? Repentance is work.

>and not a single one of those prayers will mean a thing. Nothing I do and nothing anyone else on earth can can do will save me, I am saved through my faith in Jesus Christ alone.

Rather nothing will matter for God has given you over to a reprobate mind. You will never accept Jesus Christ.

For it is written

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all iniquity, malice full of malignity, Detractors, contumelious, proud, Foolish. without affection, without mercy. Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

>John 3:16

John 3:5

>"jk it stops being everlasting if you don't do works as well"

And you who use this argument insist that some sin can make someone beyond hope of salvation? You hypocrite, woe to you who shut the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in; and those that are going in, you suffer not to enter.

>And here is the bottom line of his. UNLESS you prove that "God gave them over to a reprobate mind" means sodomites can still accept Jesus Christ then your whole argument is null and void.

And such (i.e. homosexuals) were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Done. That was easy.

> Yes theoretically they can still be saved, but only if God did not give them over to a reprobate mind, which he did.

If all sodomites are reprobate than God saved even reprobate. Of course you could just say that not all sodomites are reprobate but then, o brother, are you judge of human heart? Are you know things of God? Even Paul did not were proud enough to declare himself just (1 Corinthians 4) and you want to judge others minds?

>Answer me o unsaved, will you have faith in Jesus Christ?

I am Catholic. I have faith. Will you have faith o unsaved?

>Will you trust in him alone for your salvation, and not in your works or that in any other man?

I will answer with millions of soul so that it will get over you thick skull:

If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.

>I hope to see you in heaven one day.

I judge myself not. But at least I am on the way. You cannot say the same.

>>627203

>Baptism is works for the world, not for God. You are showing your faith to the world by doing this work. God can already see into your heart and mind. He doesn't need to be shown works.

From where do you get it? Not from Bible of course, so from where?

18 Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit,

19 In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison:

20 Which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noe, when the ark was a building: '''wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water.

21 Whereunto baptism being of the like form, now saveth you also''': not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the examination of a good conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

22 Who is on the right hand of God, swallowing down death, that we might be made heirs of life everlasting: being gone into heaven, the angels and powers and virtues being made subject to him.

The ark was a figure of baptism, which saveth you from the death of the soul; and as no one was saved from the waters of the deluge but those few eight persons who were in the ark, so no one can enter into heaven if he hath not been baptized, or hath had a desire of it when come to the use of reason. And such persons as are capable of knowing what they receive, must come with the dispositions of faith and a true repentance, which is here called the examination (lit. the interrogation ) of a good conscience, who therefore are examined whether they believe in one God and three Persons.

Baptism is said to be the like form with the water by which Noe was saved, because the one was a figure of the othe

Baptism is gift of God, washing of regenration and renawal. Baptism is baptism not by ordinary washing of filth (As much as to say, that baptism has not its efficacy, in order to salvation, from its washing away any bodily filth or dirt; but from its purging the conscience from sin: when accompanied with suitable dispositions in the party, to answer the interrogations made at that time, with relation to faith, the renouncing of Satan with all his works, and the obedience to God's commands) but by this washing being washing of water and Spirt. Or maybe Noe was not saved by water? Maybe Peter lied to us? In which case we will stop here.

>>627206

>And such (i.e. homosexuals)

None of them were sodomites. Everyone he is speaking to are saved. None of them were ever sodomite. When God gives someone over to a reprobate mind, they are unable to want to be saved. They have rejected God enough for God to make them unable to change their mind and want to be saved. That was the same situation for Pharaoh. He was hardening his own heart until finally God hardened his heart for him for the last time. God made him unable to change his mind.

1 Peter 3:21

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Baptism is works for the world, not for God. You are showing your faith to the world by doing this work. God can already see into your heart and mind. He doesn't need to be shown works. Baptism is a necessity to show the world your faith. Where does it say that baptism is a requirement specifically for salvation?

>God has given you over to a reprobate mind. You will never accept Jesus Christ

I accept and have FAITH in Jesus Christ. You do not have faith in Jesus Christ. You believe he is not enough to save you alone. You have faith in your works to save you. You have faith that baptism and confession will cleanse you of sin. I have faith in Jesus Christ alone.

>John 3:5

Water and Spirit refer symbolically in the Old Testament to spiritual renewal and cleansing.

>Numbers 19:17

>Isaiah 4:4, 32:15, 44:3, 55:1

>Joel 2:28-29

>Zechariah 13:1

water does not mean baptism

>And you who use this argument insist that some sin can make someone beyond hope of salvation?

Once you are saved, you can never be unsaved. Sodomites cannot be saved because they don't want to be saved. They were never saved from the beginning. Its not that they can't be saved even if they want to, its that they have rejected God so much that God has made them unable to change their mind.

>Done. That was easy.

No, you still haven't proven how someone who rejects God is saved.

>God saved even reprobate

No he didn't. To be a reprobate means God has rejected you by very definition. Really makes me think.

>Are you know things of God?

Only the things he tells us in the Holy Bible.

>I am Catholic

So you have faith in the works of man for your salvation and not in Jesus Christ alone. You have faith in man. Please repent.

>If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.

t. relies on non-biblical sources to inform themselves on salvation and Christian belief

>at least I am on the way

I pray one day you will be. Remember that all you need is to have faith in Jesus Christ alone.

>>627209

>Not from the Bible of course, so from where?

I guess 1 Peter 3:21 is not from the bible for you. Let me reword what I said in the previous post. Baptism is to show the world your faith, not to prove it to God. God needs only to look into your heart and mind to confirm your faith.

I'm not your enemy, man. I really do pray for you.

>>627228

>None of them were sodomites. Everyone he is speaking to are saved. None of them were ever sodomite. When God gives someone over to a reprobate mind, they are unable to want to be saved. They have rejected God enough for God to make them unable to change their mind and want to be saved. That was the same situation for Pharaoh. He was hardening his own heart until finally God hardened his heart for him for the last time. God made him unable to change his mind.

Anon it as simple as that - are homosexuals those man who lie with another men? If yes, if homosexuals are arsenokoitai then your theory is false. If no however than what is a difrence between one who lie with another man and sodomite?

>Baptism is works for the world, not for God. You are showing your faith to the world by doing this work. God can already see into your heart and mind. He doesn't need to be shown works. Baptism is a necessity to show the world your faith. Where does it say that baptism is a requirement specifically for salvation?

Baptism save you like ark saved Noe. It's as simple as that. God gave us baptism for salvation of man.

>I accept and have FAITH in Jesus Christ.

If you did, you would belive Paul who say that sodomites can repent.

>You do not have faith in Jesus Christ.

I alredy told you that I de defintion have faith - I am catholic.

>You believe he is not enough to save you alone.

<Says he who for days tries to proove that Christ cannot save sodmoites.

>You have faith in your works to save you.

Maybe you did not read in red. Here, let me repeat:

If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.

>You have faith that baptism and confession will cleanse you of sin. I have faith in Jesus Christ alone.

If thou have faith in Christ, you would believe him when he says that baptism saves and confession reconcile with God. But you do not. That's your problem.

>Water and Spirit refer symbolically in the Old Testament to spiritual renewal and cleansing.

But Christ does not speak about Old Testament symbolism here or at least not in the sense you insist. He says that no one can enter kingdom of God unless he is born again of water and Holy Spirit. Likewise Paul says to Titus and Ephesians: That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

>Once you are saved, you can never be unsaved.

If that was the truth then Paul would never written "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived &c". It is enough of a proof but there are others.

>Sodomites cannot be saved because they don't want to be saved. They were never saved from the beginning. Its not that they can't be saved even if they want to, its that they have rejected God so much that God has made them unable to change their mind.

And such (i.e. homosexuals) were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

>No, you still haven't proven how someone who rejects God is saved.

Oh but you did not ask me for this. You asked if: sodomites can still accept Jesus Christ. Answer is yes. They can. I can even go further and use actual sodmites from city of Sodom: And thou Capharnaum, shalt thou be exalted up to heaven? thou shalt go down even unto hell. For if in Sodom had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in thee, perhaps it had remained unto this day.

>>627257

>No he didn't. To be a reprobate means God has rejected you by very definition. Really makes me think.

And that was the point of this sentence that you butchered out of context. Let me repeat it: If all sodomites are reprobate then AND ONLY THEN God saved even reprobate. Of course you could just say that not all sodomites are reprobate.

>Only the things he tells us in the Holy Bible.

And in Bible he tell us that sodomites can repent. Really makes you think.

>So you have faith in the works of man for your salvation and not in Jesus Christ alone. You have faith in man. Please repent.

Third time I will speak and no more word will be needed:

If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.

>t. relies on non-biblical sources to inform themselves on salvation and Christian belief

<You believe that your works will save you!

>No I don't. Hear is what we believe.

<NO!!!! YOU BELIEVE THAT YOUR WORKS WILL SAVE YOU!!!

You have readings problems or what?

Oh and one more thing. Your whole interpretation is not in the Bible. So it is you also who: relies on non-biblical sources to inform themselves on salvation and Christian belief

>I pray one day you will be. Remember that all you need is to have faith in Jesus Christ alone.

Galatians 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision: but faith that worketh by charity.

Also wasn't that you who just said that I did not repent yet? Repentance is work.

>I guess 1 Peter 3:21 is not from the bible for you.

It is. That's why I ask you - From where did you get it? 1 Peter 3 teaches exact opposite of what you claim.

>Baptism is to show the world your faith, not to prove it to God. God needs only to look into your heart and mind to confirm your faith.

And 1 Peter 3 says that like Noe was saved by water so we are saved by baptism. Was Noe not saved by water? Is Flood not figure of Baptism? Is this letter truthful or not? To you claim to be true, anserw to all this question have to be "Not"

>I'm not your enemy, man. I really do pray for you.

Likewise. So repent.

>>627262

>Third time I will speak and no more word will be needed:

After second thought: Here I will add something namely footnote to this Canon - Chapter 1 and 3 of Decree Concerning Justification:

CHAPTER I

THE IMPOTENCY OF NATURE AND OF THE LAW TO JUSTIFY MAN

The holy council declares first, that for a correct and clear understanding of the doctrine of justification, it is necessary that each one recognize and confess that since all men had lost innocence in the prevarication of Adam,[3] having become unclean,[4] and, as the Apostle says, by nature children of wrath,[5] as has been set forth in the decree on original sin,[6] they were so far the servants of sin[7] and under the power of the devil and of death, that not only the Gentiles by the force of nature, but not even the Jews by the very letter of the law of Moses, were able to be liberated or to rise therefrom, though free will, weakened as it was in its powers and downward bent,[8] was by no means extinguished in them.

CHAPTER III

WHO ARE JUSTIFIED THROUGH CHRIST

But though He died for all,[16] yet all do not receive the benefit of His death, but those only to whom the merit of His passion is communicated; because as truly as men would not be born unjust, if they were not born through propagation of the seed of Adam, since by that propagation they contract through him, when they are conceived, injustice as their own, so if they were not born again in Christ, they would never be justified, since in that new birth there is bestowed upon them, through the merit of His passion, the grace by which they are made just.

For this benefit the Apostle exhorts us always to give thanks to the Father, who hath made us worthy to be partakers of the lot of the saints in light, and hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love, in whom we have redemption and remission of sins.[17]

And footnotes

3. Rom. 5:12; 1 Cor. 15:22.

4. Is. 64:6.

5. Eph. 2:3.

6. Cf. Sess. V at the beginning.

7. Rom. 6:17, 20.

8. Cf. II Synod of Orange (529), c.25. Hardouin, II, 1101.

16. See II Cor. 5:15.

17. Col. 1:12-14.

Now. I said everything that could be said. I withdraw like grace from reprobates. Have a nice Easter.

>>627257

Even if "abusers of themselves with mankind" means sodomites, there is still no guarantee that "And such were some of you" means "some of you were sodomites. However "God gave them over to a reprobate mind" means they are forever unwilling to repent.

>Baptism save you like ark saved Noe

The ark literally saved Noah from drowning with the rest of the world. God commanded us to be baptized to show the rest of the world our faith so that they may be convinced. God is already convinced of those who are saved.

>1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

>not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,)

>not the putting away of the filth of the flesh

Baptism is not a requirement for salvation.

Sodomites cannot repent because they do not want to repent and never will want to repent.

>I am catholic

You have faith in works for your salvation, not just in Jesus Christ alone. You don't believe your sins are already paid for by Jesus Christ's sacrifice and that salvation is a free gift from God. You believe there is still a price to be paid for salvation. There is still labor to be done.

>Says he who for days tries to prove that Christ cannot save sodmoites

Christ cannot save those who do not want to be saved

>If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.

I don't rely on any works. Faith is not works. I only have faith in Jesus Christ, therefore I am saved. Maybe you didn't read in black. Here, let me repeat in green

>t. relies on non-biblical sources to inform themselves on salvation and Christian belief

>if thou have faith in Christ, you would believe him when he says that baptism saves and confession reconcile with God

He doesn't say that. That's YOUR problem

>he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost are the same thing. He is repeating himself. The bible is full of repetition. If he meant baptism, he would have said baptism. It hasn't stopped him before.

Mathew 7:21-23

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

>but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

John 6:39-40

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

This is for those who count on their works for salvation. The will of the God is for us to believe in Jesus Christ. I am in no danger of being turned away.

>but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

except sodomites are not justified in the name of the Lord, and by the Spirit of our God. They don't want to. God has rejected them and has given them over to a reprobate mind.

>Oh but you did not ask me for this

I don't have to. Reprobate means God has rejected. God gave them over to a reprobate mind.

>>627262

>not all sodomites are reprobate

All sodomites are reprobates because you do not become a sodomite of your own free will. God makes you into a sodomite. To be a sodomite is to be a reprobate.

Romans 1 18-28

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

in case you missed it

>26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

>27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

To those God hath rejected he has given over to "homosexuality" and to a reprobate mind.

>And in Bible he tells us that sodomites can repent

No he doesn't. He literally tells us that he made it impossible for sodomites to repent.

>If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.

I don't rely on any works. Faith is not works. I only have faith in Jesus Christ

Galations 5:6 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

>Repentance is work

Repentance is change, not work. Change from your unbelieving ways. God has said that Jesus Christ's sacrifice was the fee for your eternal salvation. God has given to you a free gift that he has paid. You only have to accept it.

>Teaches the exact opposite of what you claim

>not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,

The only requirement for salvation is faith in Jesus Christ alone.

>>627267

t. relies on non-biblical sources to inform him on salvation and Christian belief

Galations 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

>>626477

The human logic our Church is led by the Holy Spirit.

>>625699

>>625702

But then I'll go to Hell? Should I just like… push for mind uploading or something to avoid my inevitable fate then? Since I'm going to Hell anyway, none of this bio-ethics stuff would matter…

>>625707

I'm still a virgin. I just have homosexual attractions but then again there's the whole "Sin in the Heart" thing :(

>>628483

Then repent. Every day i struggle with a strong urge to rub my dick until i cum but i resist. You're not a sodomite if haven't committed acts of sodomy. Not to mention that fornication is also a grave sin.