/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>613825

Osiris isn't temporarily resurrected, but mummified with the help of Anubis and Tot, and turns into the godking of the spirit world.

>Jews are God's chosen people

>Judeo-Christian values isn't an oxymoron

>>613821

>Jesus is modeled after previous pagan gods

even hardcore atheists deny this to avoid to be laughed at. Only dawkins tier morons actually say this.

>>613821

>>biblical Hebrew in the OT has no tense and no verbs, and can be interpreted in many ways

Is this kinda true but has an answer which sets out why this isn't an issue or is it a flat out lie? I do seem to remember christian sources referring to the limitations of the hebrew pictograms and alphabet and always wondered about this.

>>613896

Verbs do exist in Hebrew, but the tenses don't work in the same way as in English.

>>613825

Sadly I've found plenty fedoras that do take it seriously.

>>613821

>biblical Hebrew in the OT

>>613825

>>613870

I heard it the other day from a group of friends. They share my political views and they're not idiots, they just heard it somewhere and repeated it.

>>613825

I've even heard people say that Jesus was based off Achilles and Alexander the Great. Another one was that the philosophy and theology of the New Testament is taken from the writings of Philo. Do people like that even think before they start grasping at straws?

>>613972

It's a heresy that blocks people from becoming actual Christians. Hopefully it dies soon.

>Jesus was the illegitimate son of a Roman soldier, Panthera, and Mary

>Christianity caused the fall of Rome and the Dark Ages

>Christians destroyed European traditions

>Jesus was a good teacher, but not God

No. He was either exactly who He said He is, or He was a crazy and certainly not a "good teacher." You can't have Christ and false religion.

>>613825

You should probably crop out the y u no when you post that in the future.

>Jesus was a cynic philosopher

>Jesus was just a cool teacher

>Jesus didn't found a church

>Jesus didn't mean to found a religion

>Jesus is a figure made up by Paul

>Paul is a figure made up by Christians

>Jesus did exist but Paul perverted his teachings

>Jesus did exist but John perverted his teachings

>Jesus never claimed to be God

>Christianity is a religion made by the Roman Empire to consolidate power

>Dual covenancy

>>613981

>>Jesus was the illegitimate son of a Roman soldier, Panthera, and Mary

There is no pic for my rage when I discovered the Talmud. It's like a quarter of the reason that I became interested in Catholicism.

>>613977

It will only die with the Jews.

> you can't really tell what it says it's been translated/copied too many times

>>614104

This, plus

>you always lose something in the translation

Implying God can't deliver a message in any tongue

>>614105

Translations are not divinely inspired, they are fallible.

>>614104

If the translation is done faithfully it's good enough for the common man, it's only when you want to start playing language lawyer that the nuances matter.

>>613829

>>"people are born gay"

>>can't argue against the notion it because psychologists say it's so

>>people will disregard your opinion unless you have college credentials for which you're not willing to drown in student loan debt

AFAIK Foucalt argues in The History of Sexuality that faggotry is a social construct.

>>614105

>you always lose something in the translation

>Implying God can't deliver a message in any tongue

Why are these two things mutually exclusive? Theolgoy ought to be done with the originals in mind, but as >>614269 alluded to of course God can deliver the Gospel through an imperfect translation of the Bible, just as He can with a man's imperfect preaching.

>>613937

I am always reminded how /pol/infested this place is when "Jesus was a jew" is seen as a controversial statement.

Yes, he was a jew, by all intents and purposes.

No, the alleged genetic and religious changes of judaism dont change that, neither does the rejection and bad blood between our 2 groups(Orhan Çelebi didnt stop being a turk by being unrecognized as a prince, or defecting to the byzantines, dying while fighting his kinsmen, for example)

>>614470

>No, the alleged genetic and religious changes of judaism dont change that, neither does the rejection and bad blood between our 2 groups

>alleged

Kek. While Jesus was technically a jew, what we refer to as jews today has changed, both in terms of ethnicity and in terms of religion. That's the big and important distinction. Today's "jews" are the Synagogue of Satan, and some of us love Our Lord and Savior and want to make sure He's not lumped in with these filthy kikes we're burdened with dealing with today. We have quite a few heretics that claim to be Christians and think the kikes are God's chosen, so it's good to be clear and upfront about addressing this nonsense.

>>614276

Protip - even if you have the college degree they find some other ad hominem to use. I jumped through the hoops to prove my intelligence hoping people would then listen to me. They don't. Secular folks only listen to those who say what they already believe.

>>614480

>While Jesus was technically a jew, what we refer to as jews today has changed, both in terms of ethnicity and in terms of religion. That's the big and important distinction.

That changes nothing.

That's like saying the phrase "the apostles were christian" is invalid for most utahans, since the idea that comes up for them when saying that is mormonism, which is outside christendom according to most, including the rules of this board.

Or Lincoln stopped being a republican due to the great switcheroo between the 2 parties 50 years ago.

As retarded as dual-covenant theology is, and regardless of whatever religious mutations have happened, that doesn't retroactively change the truthfulness of phrases.

Yes, Jesus was a jew. Deal with it.

>>614612

Maybe it was the fault of commingling all the Judean communities into the Jew label. Perhaps in this century we should start referring to them as ethnic Yehudís and distinguishing between Samaritanism, Rabbinicalism, Asheknazism, Sephardism, etc.

>>614619

Backtrack on that how about we simply get rid of or retire the term "Judaism". I'd still like to see Yehudí used in modern contexts and "Ioudaian" used in NT translations.

>>614612

>You know damn well what is meant when he says Jesus was not a Jew.

Ive seen people say the most stupid and heretical things from that denial, so no, it needs to be said.

>The only reason spectres like you want to claim Christ as a Jew is to have a leash on Christianity and on Christians.

Oy vey, you've caught me.

How will i feed my family without JIDF's "lets enslave Christianity on obscure imageboards" fund?

Im tired of the cringe of seeing people on this board with the cognitive disonance of trying to make their faith mesh with their political ideologies and memes, and not the other way around.

>you even ended your post like the title of a fucking buzzfeed article. You might as well have said, "Uhm, actually, Jesus was a Jew, and here's why men should deal with it."

It seems your brain can't process information about people, unless its in the form of forced ass memes.

>>614623

In the Gospel of St. John the definition of Jew starts out meaning people descended from the ancient Hebrews who kept God's Law. By the end the word Jew means somebody who rejects Christ, which is what we know as today's Jews. Saying Jesus was a Jew is technically correct in the proper context, but that phrase is used by Talmudic Jews to slander and provide cover for themselves. You should be cautious when using that phrase because you ought not to associate Christ with His spiritual enemies.

>>614648

>you ought not to associate Christ with His spiritual enemies

And this is the entire point.

>>614601

>Yes, Jesus was a jew. Deal with it.

There's nothing to deal with. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, for we are all one in Christ Jesus'. There's nothing stopping an ethnic jew or talmudist from converting and accepting Christ. If he does so, he is my brother in Christ. That said, conflating Christ and his faithful ancestors with Christ-rejecting adversaries of God is not wise to do, and should be checked every single time.

>>614470

Lol nice meme, Jesus Christ was not a jew