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>>613663

1. Jesus is of the tribe of Judah and of David’s lineage, so this first one works

2a. Isaiah 7:14 prophecies that he will be a virgin birth. Not to mention, that’s not the only sign Jesus is the Messiah

2b. Emmanuel means “God with us,” it’s saying the Messiah will be God with us. Jews generally take this to mean he will be humanities direct link to God, not that he’ll be literally God, however both interpretations work. None of the Messiah claimants before or after Jesus have been named Emmanuel

3. The NT in John 1 specified that no man has seen the Father at any time, but that the Son is who is in the bosom of the Father and is God himself has been seen. So the verses saying nobody has seen the Father. As for the verses where it says “God is not a man,” it’s always talking about man as fallen creation. “God is not a man, that he would lie.” Such phrases are used for Jesus as well in the NT. Galatians 1:1 says “Paul, an Apostle sent out not from men, nor by a man, but rather by Jesus Christ.” That’s not denying Jesus was a man, it’s saying he was more than a man

>>613663

>I have read, studied, and scrutinized the Christian Bible many times. I even went so far as learning Hebrew,

I've heard this said a million times, mainly by 15 year old fedoras and communist professors, and 99% of the time it's a flat out lie.

Reading the Bible takes half a year if you read a lot every single day and you did that "many times"? You also learned Hebrew and sat down and read the OT in Hebrew did you? Did you do that "many times" as well? Only to disprove the "bigoted krishyuns". Give us a break OP.

>>613706

>I've heard this said a million times, mainly by 15 year old fedoras and communist professors, and 99% of the time it's a flat out lie.

Very charitable of you, brother. This thread smells awfully gefilte fishy.

Jesus was not of the tribe of Judah can you show me where this is stated in the Bible? Just cause you said it works doesn’t prove it. Never was Jesus called Emmanuel. If so, I’ve never seen it. And yes, i read the Bible many times, and in Hebrew as well.

Isaiah 7:14 doesn’t refer to Jesus. It is prophesying contemporaneously. Read the whole part

>>613663

>The Bible NEVER stated that the Messiah was gonna be born of a virgin. Even if it did, shouldn’t the name have been Emmanuel? Just saying. God tells us ahead of time what’s gonna happen. With precision. E.g., take the case of Cyrus. Didn’t God call him from the womb? So, if the Bible predicted the Messiah’s name to be Emmanuel, how in the world did Jesus come up?

Read the LXX instead of the Masoretic text, silly. No reason for Christians to learn Hebrew, they certainly weren't using it much in Christ's day.

>Even if Jesus were the Messiah, that doesn’t make him God. Nowhere in the Old Testament does God mention his human essence. To the contrary, he reiterates a gazillion times that he is NOT a man. Moreover, he says that no man can see Him and live. Thousands of people saw Jesus, and the lived. ‘Guess that takes his deity from him. Or, God lied in the Old Testament about not being man or not being able to see Him and live.

>2018

>Not understanding the trinity

The OT God is the person of The Father. You can't look on the Father and live. Jesus is also God, you can look on the son and live. So is, too, the Holy Spirit. It's a mystery.

>>613663

>I have read, studied, and scrutinized the Christian Bible many times. I even went so far as learning Hebrew,

I doubt it.

You sound just like the retarded fedoras that come shit up this board

Anyone who opens a thread with this kind of claim is probably an atheist

Go back to reddit.

>>613663

>2. According to Christianity, Jesus is the Messiah because he was born of a virgin, as profecied in Isaiah.

He is Messiah for more than that. He comes from David lineage, was born in Bethlehem, died for our sins, went to hell and back, returned sight etc etc.

>The Bible NEVER stated that the Messiah was gonna be born of a virgin.

"The Virgin shall conceive"

This whole "young women" bullshit is just that - bullshit. It was bullshit in first century as proven by Justin Martyr, is bullshit know. And what kind of sign was it in the first place - young women conceive all the time.

> Even if it did, shouldn’t the name have been Emmanuel?

Reminder that there was no spaces between words in original script.

Reminder that Emmanuel means "God with us"

Reminder that: A CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace.

> So, if the Bible predicted the Messiah’s name to be Emmanuel, how in the world did Jesus come up?

These name in some way mean the same as Jesus, which means "salvation." For the name "Emmanuel, which being interpreted is 'God with us,'" designates the cause of salvation, which is the union of the Divine and human natures in the Person of the Son of God, the result of which union was that "God is with us."

>Even if Jesus were the Messiah, that doesn’t make him God.

A Child is born to us and his name is God.

Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I AM he; I am the First and I am the Last. My own hand laid the foundations of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they all stand up together. Come together, all of you, and listen: Which of the idols has foretold these things? Yahweh's chosen ally will carry out his purpose against Babylon; his arm will be against the Babylonians. I, even I, have spoken; yes, I have called him. I will bring him, and he will succeed in his mission. Come near me and listen to this: From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret; from the time it came to be I have been there. And now the Lord Yahweh has sent Me, with his Spirit. This is what Yahweh says — your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: ‘I am Yahweh your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go.

The Lord said to my Lord: Sit thou at my right hand: Until I make thy enemies thy footstool.

I called upon the Lord, the father of my Lord, that he would not leave me in the day of my trouble, and in the time of the proud without help.

Et cetera et cetera

>Nowhere in the Old Testament does God mention his human essence.

Because person of the Son did not assumed human nature before incarnation which is point in time.

>To the contrary, he reiterates a gazillion times that he is NOT a man

And human essence is not divine essence. But both those essences belong to the Son. Your point being?

> Moreover, he says that no man can see Him and live.

And no one alive ever saw divine essence.

>There’s much more, but I’d like serious debaters.

Then stop bullshiting and read a book, nigger.