/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>611118

Can't you skin worshipers understand that racism isn't compatible with Christianity? Saying that clergy who are anti-racist are "leftist" is completely fucking moronic. The clergy are anti-racism not because they're "leftist", it's because racism and Christianity have never been compatible. You skin worshipers that are trying force your ideology into Christianity are just a degenerate as certain early Pagan converts who tried to introduce some of their pagan beliefs into Christianity. There are still some in Latin America who to this who try to mix their old Pagan ideas in with Catholicism even though the Church has condemned this numerous times. It's not going to work you retards. The line is drawn, you either pick Christ, or you pick racism and worship skin color. Those are you choices. Pick Christ and you have everlasting life. Pick skin worship and you will die in your sins.

>>611167

>>611188

>skin worshiper

>anyone who acknowledges that people from different parts of the world have different characteristics and traits is basically a pagan

Here's your (you). There's absolutely nothing unbiblical about acknowledging people have differences aside from skin colour: there are at the very least significant skeletal and physiological differences between certain groups to the point where certain races develop their own medical conditions or need different versions of the same medication depending on their race. Psychological and intellectual differences aren't a huge stretch either, it's just a very non-kosher subject.

What is incompatible with Christianity is suggesting that race, skin colour, or nationality exclude one from salvation. The offer extends to all those created in God's image, which includes children, the retarded, and distant relations such as abbos.

>>611118

>racism, antisemitism … are sins.

Now, read as generously as possible, this statement is right. We have to love everyone, even our enemies. We cannot hate another person based solely on their race, whether they're white, black, ethnically Jewish or whatever else. But most liberals read racism and antisemitism to mean more than that.

As for antisemitism in the sense of hating Judaism – we are completely in the right to hate the religion because it's pharisaic, demonic, and has lead to the damnation of some untold number of people. The same can be said for all other 'religions.' We can (and should) hate false religion with a passion, as long our hate is only directed toward the practice and not the deceived practitioner.

As for racism, we're free to acknowledge the reality of race. We can loathe modern culture because it's actively trying to destroy traditional ethnic identities as long as we don't hate our neighbor. As an example of this, an ideal segregated society, one where men are kept separate by race in mutual brotherhood, is perfectly fine. Many people would decry this as racist and inherently awful, but if the society is truly equal and loving, then it's no problem at all.

>xenophobia

This one is more tricky because this is such a broad term, and it can (and does) mean just about anything in practice. One man that hates every Chinese person alive with a passion and another that really doesn't like Chinese music could both be called xenophobic. Including xenophobia makes the whole statement meaningless because it's nothing but a buzzword.

Just like the other cases, whenever 'hating the foreign' (whatever that means)means hating another human being, it's not alright. But we're more than welcome to think foreign cultures and practices are disgusting or horrible. The Chinese custom of casually spitting everywhere in public is horrifying to me, and I'll admit that freely. I'm sure there are plenty of people that would call me xenophobic for saying that, but nationalism isn't a sin and it's not wrong to prefer your own culture.

tl;dr: The Russian Church did nothing wrong. The Church liberals are right in that we can't hate other men, but those who want to anathematize nationalism are putting left-wing politics into their doctrine and are way out of line.

>>611254

>we must love everyone

This implies humans.

Humans are generally suited to live in their environment and are more or less genetically stable.

You won't find an actual human species with this laundry list of volatile corporeal aspects.

You cannot.

Search high and low among all the races of humanity, you will not find a list such as this one anywhere.

No matter how advanced or primitive, they all have relatively stable corporeal forms.

There is one alien shapeshifter and gene stealer, though to which this does not apply.

>>611293

>There is one alien shapeshifter and gene stealer

What

>>611118

>(((Aut-kike)))

heresy

>>611177

Moses married an Ethiopian.

>>611192

'discouraged interracial marriages'

Galatians 3:28

http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-does-bible-say-about-interracial-marriages

The internet Orthodox are nothing but nazis who choose the church which fits their political view and make the church look like a complete joke, for God sake please read your bible and don't quote Leviticus, the old covenant has been ended and we're united under faith, Inter-religion marriage is wrong not interracial.

>>611309

Numbers 12:1 (ESV)

12 Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman.

The word Cush itself means “black,” and, historically, the people of Cush have been dark-skinned. The prophet Jeremiah alludes to the Cushites’ skin color when he rhetorically asks, “Can the Cushite change his skin?” (Jeremiah 13:23, HCSB).

>>611118

>Thinking the Basis of the Social Concept is ethnonationalist

>Thinking Fr. John is leftist

>Being this braindead

>>611303

>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Gal 3:28 NKJ)

>for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Misinterpretation, this verse does not imply all races are equal or on an equal playing field, it implies that anyone, regardless of their status, gender or race can be saved and are equal IN CHRIST JESUS.

To use this verse as proof that race is subjective or meaningless is as foolish and using it to justify an idea that men and women are exactly the same with no differences, while the Scripture says that men and women are complementary and have abilities that are synergetic to each other.

Not everyone is in Christ either, and if this world was one of equality and everyone got along fine from the offset, the Atonement would be in vain and there would be no need for Christ to even come back. Pic related.

>>611303

Also keep in mind of the context of the Pharisaic environment they had to deal with, which had gotten so far into racial pride that this was around the time they started seeing themselves as humans and Gentiles as cattle.

This specifically stems from the Pharisees and their Talmud.

Once you understand the beliefs and ways of the Jews (in a religious sense at least), then Christ's condemnation of them makes a lot more sense and you realize they were one of the two big threats the Apostles had to face.

Them and the Gnostics.

>>611341

>Darwinian theories

>implying I'm a Darwinian

>implying muh all races are the same isn't a cancerous modern concept of le brotherhood of man

>Every creature loves its like, and every person the neighbor.

>All living beings associate with their own kind, and people stick close to those like themselves. (Sir 13:15-16 NRS)

>>611343

>Also keep in mind of the context of the Pharisaic environment they had to deal with, which had gotten so far into racial pride that this was around the time they started seeing themselves as humans and Gentiles as cattle.

>which had gotten so far into racial pride that this was around the time they started seeing themselves as humans and Gentiles as cattle.

How is that different from modern day nazis? they view Africans as subhumans and Jews as animals.

>>611346

I'm not saying they're in the right though.

I know good black people, but I know a lot of very sorry ones too. I know some good Jews too.

That still doesn't disprove the fact that there are observable differences between races that aren't due to the environment. Though some of the issues I'm aware are due to the environment, like the degeneracy that blacks indulge themselves in nowadays.

>>611348

'Though some of the issues I'm aware are due to the environment, like the degeneracy that blacks indulge themselves in nowadays.'

It is not the environment which makes them degenerate, it's the individuals themselves.

It's inappropriate to call Blacks as degenerates since it is the Americans and Europeans who has made it accessible in ease.

By Americans I mean Margaret Sanger, Kinsey and Nietzsche.

>>611349

>he actually thinks the apocrypha aren't scripture

oh I'm sorry I don't take Luther's cherrypicking seriously, you know he also tried to take out 5 NT books because they went against sola fide or he just flat-out didn't personally like them?

>>611350

The environment molds the person to a considerable degree, this combined with their experiences of course.

>Margaret Sanger, Kinsey and Nietzsche.

All degenerates or Christ-haters, but they shaped this environment and world we are in.

Just as St. Augustine said, "Bad times, hard times, this is what people keep saying; but let us live well, and the times shall be good. We are the times: Such as we are, such are the times."

This entire world that has been built upon for the past 200 years or so has been progressively Luciferian and completely antithetical to the Bible, may God have mercy on our souls.

>>611355

>le no defined canon before the middle ages maymay

Explain all the manuscripts that essentially had the exact same canon, along with the fact Wisdom of Sirach was probably quoted in the NT even by Christ Himself.

The KJV also uses (((Masoretic Hebrew))) as opposed to the better preserved and more accurate LXX manuscripts, you know, where the chronologies given by Philo and Josephus matches the LXX, and where Christ quotes verses and passages that are in the LXX but not in the Hebrew. This is because the Hebrew texts are from the 11th century, and were edited by Christ-hating Pharisaic faggots, who worked to get rid of references and passages that could be interpreting as pertaining to Christ.

>>611359

>Then the Spirit said to Philip, "Go near and overtake this chariot."

>So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?"

>And he said, "How can I, unless someone guides me?" And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him.

(Act 8:29-31 NKJ)

Knowing Luther he would've tried to take this out because it implies people can't always infallibly interpret Scripture by themselves. Dude muh sola scriptura lmao

>>611293

>Jews aren't human because extensive inbreeding have led to a huge list of genetic disorders

>Corporeal forms

>Alien shapeshifter/gene thief

Out of the various replies I expected, gnostic body snatcher theory was not one of them.

>>611169

>>611375

>jews aren't mutant gene thieves that weasel into other cultures to destroy them

Hemalayaa Behl, Indian mongrel to sell "Tantrum Yoga".

A degenerate infantilization technique that shits on yoga.

Joanna Rohrback, creator of Prancercising, clearly mongrelized with a horse to drag down horsery.

Not to mention all the "Ashkenazim", truly a parody race.

>they're just inbred humans that's why they look so weird

Yeah, and tapeworms are just inbred too, that's why they also look so different.

One of the parasites just looks vaguely humanoid and is able to crossbreed with actual humans.

Which happens more often than you think, interpsecies breeding, that is.

Yuck. Just look at this.

>They just need more admixture, anon, one day they will not be like that.

You go ahead and give viruses some admixture with genes, too.

One day the viruses will be good and proper humans. I'm sure.

That flu going around is just a poor downtrodden inbred flu that just wants to breed with your cells.

That makes them human and thus we must protect them.

>>611303

>Galatians 3:28

See when gender-fluid freaks interpret that verse in you same way you do you should realize something is wrong. Now let's see what Augustine had to say..

>Difference of race or condition or sex is indeed taken away by the unity of faith, but it remains embedded in our mortal interactions, and in the journey of this life the apostles themselves teach that it is to be respected […] For we observe in the unity of faith that there are no such distinctions. Yet within the orders of this life they persist.

>Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female

>but it remains embedded in our mortal interactions, and in the journey of this life the apostles themselves teach that it is to be respected

>>611355

So you're a fan of Luther huh?

>In his 1519 commentary, Luther quotes and expands upon Augustine’s view that distinctions remain in our mortal interactions that are removed in the spirit through the unity of faith. He adds ‘… the apostles command slaves to obey their masters, wives to be subject to their husbands, but all to obey the magistrates.’31 Prior to this, however, he says that a person is made righteous because of Christ and not because of any status. All forms of earthly status, for example Minorite or Augustinian, ‘are of such a nature that they do not make a Christian if they are present or an unbeliever if they are lacking’.32 Therefore, Luther held that this verse is about salvation and not social order.

>In his 1535 edition, Luther moves to using the concept of ‘equality’ for ‘oneness’, but very clearly states this to be equality with distinction. He specifies that Gal. 3:28 refers to equality only ‘in the sight of God, where all men are equal’.33 He goes on to add, ‘In the world and according to the flesh there is a very great difference and inequality among persons, and this must be observed very carefully. For if a woman wanted to be a man […] there would be a disturbance and confusion of all stations and of everything.’34