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Look into the Scofield bible, that was the start of it in America. After that WWII won over Europe and strengthened the grip on America.

Unironically a Jewish conspiracy

Because Sola Scriptura allowed for Jews to insert their own Bibles and churches that promote Zionism into the American culture.

Because people haven't read their Bibles.

Read your Bible and you know EXACTLY who the seed of Abraham is.

Not seeds but seed.

>>610734

You must read about the origins of zionism (jewish nationalism) in the s XIX and how this was transduced into anglo-american evangelicals.

I think it started with Jews putting Nazis as a constant scapegoat in television, movies, video games and (((school books))). also evangelicals.

>>610734

Stems from the "Must Support Israel" attitude that has been drilled into common culture.

Political parties are really good at driving this narrative in America. Those who make political parties just as important as God happily follow the narrative.

Matter of fact is that jews were God's chosen people. Christ was born a jew, he lived as jew, he died as jew. No amount of cognitive dissonance and slander will change this fact. They were and they still are. But the game has changed as now the Christians are God's chosen people as well. You must not forget that the old covenant has never been revoked. It has been fulfilled in Christ - forming the new covenant for jews and gentiles. However, the jews live in (I at least suppose faithful) error that Christ has not been the Messiah they were hoping for - which basically has them take a special position so to speak.

That is to say, Israel is a political entity. It doesn't have the dimensions of the land of the people Israel, nor does it have the "genetic content" so to speak. Stupid people like Americans love to mix all that up, however.

PS: It's not like an ironic shitpost, it's how it works. God doesn't take back His promise - and this stands for the old covenant as well as for the new, they just need to accept it.

>>610846

I almost thought there would be the possibility of having an actual discussion rather than baseless claims and slandering pictures. Phew !

First of all, the "many are called, few are chosen" is not the same as "God's chosen people". That's the first thing literally every crypto-nazi gets wrong. Secondly, are you God ? Because if not, you should shut your insolent face and drop the judgment rather quickly as Christ told you not to judge.

>Read your Bible.

Thirdly, is there no such thing as inherited guilt. Yes, it was the Pharisees that got Christ killed. That doesn't make their descendants - spiritual as well as genetic - guilty of the killing of Christ in any way. Otherwise today's Germans would be fully responsible for the holocaust, today's young Americans would be guilty of having genocided Catholics and other Japanese people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and most importantly, every single human being would be responsible for original sin.

That this idea is incredibly dumb should be clear to you.

>>610848

wtf.

And if Judas didn't betrayed Jesus there would be no salvation for anyone. So the quote "The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed: it were better for him, if that man had not been born." Mathew 26 : 24 doesn't make sense. Judas should be a saint. And Pharisee should be our exemples (we don't care about all the nasty stuff Jesus told about them misusing the scriptures right). :^)

> It encourages nazi-larping

>Muh nazi !!! fear the darkest hours of the twenty century goyim !

every single time.

also why put clear definitions when you can misuse words as you wish for your own interest ?

>>610848

>>610849

>>>/reddit/

Christianity is "anti-semitic," and the lolacaust doesn't real. But I'll play your game. Assuming that Germans actually used Russian diesel submarine engines to generate enough CO to gas 6 gorillion Jews, not every German would be responsible for this. Likewise for Americans who firebombed Dresden and Tokyo, and nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Germans have come to repent for their alleged crimes, and Americanism isn't founded upon bombing cities, nor does it celebrate this.

Jews on the other hand have a satanic cult based entirely upon rejecting Christ. Their "holy" book celebrates perversions and lies like the Virgin Mary being a whore, Jesus being fathered by a Roman soldier, and that Jesus, right now, is in hell, being boiled in excrement. They have not repented. They have done the opposite. Christ's blood is upon them and their wicked children.

Judaism is a satanic cult. Anyone who practices it is anti-Christ and deserves to burn in hell (only Christ decides this, and while He may have infinite mercy, I'll take Him at His word).

<Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.

Gee I wonder where this leave Christ-denying kikes. I will pray for you. I am positive Christ does not look kindly upon Judaizers and they who side with those that deny Him.

>>610734

>Christ was born a jew, he lived as jew, he died as jew

I know you only want to upset people but

first : "Jews" of the time of Jesus =/= "jews" nowadays (racialy and religiously, some are even atheist in the elite and they are the jews that interest us the most)

> Israel is a political entity

The Church is against Israel coming back, and "jews" make this "come back" religious and racial (evangelist also)

>>610849

Of course individuals it depends on individuals if they are saved or not. But it doesn't contradict the fact there can be a curse on a people, a land, a country. That's why we consacrate countries. After the french revolution people (like Petain) tried to re-consecrate France to Mary, in order to "undo" the blood baptism of the slaughter of the King. There is a reason for it.

>>610864

Using scriptures without the spirit of it is misusing it. It's not that some pharisee are hypocritical, it's that pharisee (all of them, because Jesus talk about the group) misuse the scripture for their hypocritycal, ritualist, elitist behavior, keeping the law whitout the spirit "Yet you neglect the more important matters of the Law, such as justice, mercy, and faithfulness". That's a misuse, and the worst.

Scofield reference bible

>>610862

Are you stupid ?

>>610857

>holocaust denial

>strawman

>conspiracy theory

>strawman

Oh and of course, you also don't forget to place yourself above God and do his job of deciding whose going to hell and who doesn't. Good job right there.

You don't know that. In fact, you're committing blasphemy against the spirit for presuming anyone to definitely go to or deserve hell or heaven. Last time I checked the Bible, Christ said "DONT DO THIS". To kickstart your brain, Matthew 12:31

>31 Therefore I tell you, people will be forgiven for every sin and blasphemy, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven

All in all, predicate: /Sola ego/, because that's what you're showing here. Same as this retard here >>610854. Scandalizing people will be of no help for anyone and least for yourself. 'Member Matthew 12:36

>36 I tell you, on the day of judgment you will have to give an account for every careless word you utter;

It's also the opinion that Israel has the right to defend itself and the general aversion to Islamic derrorism that drives people to favor the Jews.

>>610895

>36 I tell you, on the day of judgment you will have to give an account for every careless word you utter;

And you treated me a retard I don't even know why.

Answer the points and stop changing the subject.

>>610899

>wtf.

>And if Judas didn't betrayed Jesus there would be no salvation for anyone. So the quote "The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed: it were better for him, if that man had not been born." Mathew 26 : 24 doesn't make sense. Judas should be a saint. And Pharisee should be our exemples (we don't care about all the nasty stuff Jesus told about them misusing the scriptures right). :^)

>> It encourages nazi-larping

>>Muh nazi !!! fear the darkest hours of the twenty century goyim !

>every single time.

>also why put clear definitions when you can misuse words as you wish for your own interest ?

Smugposting and memes. There's nothing to address.

>>610844

You are correct on one point, the covenant has been fulfilled.

This is why the Jews are not the people of God, their promise is up. It never offered then salvation.

>>610734

>When and how did Zionism become so popular among Christians?

As >>610740 said, because it is a great Jewish conspiracy. Nobody around 100 years even remotely believed that the Jews were God's chosen people, and if any Christian would read the Bible without the Jewish lies that cloud their heads, then they'd find out that nowhere in the Bible were Jews God's chosen people. The Jews, firstly, were a tribe of Israel, then a Kingdom made out of two tribes (Judah amd Benjamin). I believe it is one giant Jewish trick that Jews made the world believe that they're the whole tribe of Israel, even though NOWHERE in the Bible is it said; Abraham was not a Jew, Moses was not a Jew, even Paul was not a Jew. The first two cannot even be Jews from a chronological point of view, since Jews did not exist, neither Israel, therefore the tribe of Judah, was not established. Just leaving embed related here.

>>610907

>nothing to address.

I wasn't speaking to you so. but here :

>>610866 meant for >>610844

>>610857

>>610919

>>610846

Jesus was a Jew. Christianity would not exist without Judaism, a good Christian would not display the hatred you do, and an intelligent person would not deny mountains of evidence for the holocaust being real.

>>610941

Christianity developed out of second temple Judaism because of the teachings of Jesus.

Jesus Himself used to ignore non-Jews at the beginning of his ministry "Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans" (Matthew 10:5). The Apostle Paul even used to persecute early Christians before he converted.

Are you denying this? If so what is your source?

I'm not lying.

>This has nothing to do with anything, and no one gives a shit about it here

Fair enough, I only mentioned it because you did.

>>610934

>Christianity would not exist without Judaism

Wait, you aren't implying anything that Jews are in no need of conversion, are you?

>>610934

First, the holocaust (real or not, overstated or not) has nothing to do with it.

Second, the race and the religion of "jews" have totally changed from the time of Jesus, you can't say Jesus was a jew. Did he followed the Talmud ? Did he followed only the Torah in the old scriptures ? Did he made usury ? Did he was the friend of the pharisee, those who gave birth to rabbinical judaism ? Did he crucified himself ? Did he took part in the persecutions of the apostles like related in the act of the apostles ?

That's totally another religion that formed itself after the rejection of Christ an the destruction of the temple by the romans. And the race of jews have chaned with time and inter-racial relationship.

Third, there is no display of hatred

I'm really tired of you kikes, confusing Jesus with (((them))) should be a bannable offense.

>>610945

>Christianity developed out of second temple Judaism because of the teachings of Jesus.

Judaism wasn't a thing until after Christianity.

>Jesus Himself used to ignore non-Jews at the beginning of his ministry "Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans" (Matthew 10:5). The Apostle Paul even used to persecute early Christians before he converted.

Those weren't the same race as modern jews, so that's irrelevant.

>>610945

>Christianity developed out of second temple Judaism because of the teachings of Jesus.

Conceding this is correct, the 2nd Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. What you call "judaism" (more accurately talmudic satanism) today came after this. Again, it is younger than Christianity. It also has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity and is by no means a forerunner to it.

>>610948

>I'm really tired of you kikes, confusing Jesus with (((them))) should be a bannable offense.

THIS

polite sage for double-posting

>>610946

>Wait, you aren't implying anything that Jews are in no need of conversion, are you?

Oh not at all, just that hating them is wrong and isn't a helpful way to go about converting someone anyway.

>>610948

>there is no display of hatred

>I'm really tired of you kikes

>>610949

>>610950

This would still mean we share a common heritage. My point is merely that as Christians we should avoid damning those with a different worldview and present our own. The Truth is more important than our trivial prejudices.

>>610952

>My point is merely that as Christians we should avoid damning those with a different worldview and present our own. The Truth is more important than our trivial prejudices.

Universalist kikes leave

>>610952

>This would still mean we share a common heritage

Technically every human shares a common heritage going all the way back to Adam and Eve and whatever they decided to name their religion. That doesn't mean everyone is the same nor should be treated as such.

>>610952

>This would still mean we share a common heritage

Not really. They've lost their inheritance and their current cult is utter blasphemy and it contradicts the religion of the OT and Mosaic Jews.

>as Christians we should avoid damning those with a different worldview and present our own

It's not up to me to damn anyone. That said, those who reject Christ will likely be damned by Christ.

Talmudism is an evil satanic cult. One that celebrates blasphemy against Christ. Anyone who practices this is practicing evil. But if a jew decided to accept Christ, then he'd be my brother in Christ. I don't hate the people, but I do hate their blasphemy and idolatry, and their outrageously evil ways. To not notice that God has cursed these people to be the most vile, detestable people there are is to be blind and deaf.

>>610952

>using a deprecating word is hatred.

kek

>just that hating them is wrong and isn't a helpful way to go about converting someone anyway.

Looks like you have now nothing to say instead of the usual "no hate" propaganda. Great you admit your defeat kike.

>common heritage

We also have this with atheist and even satanist, it doesn't mean anything. What matter is what we do with God's gift of his revelation in the OT. Pharisee rejected their heritage as Esau his birth right in Gn 25, 31 some say.

>>610965

>That or I assume they just barely know about them.

Likely this. Sadly.

>Arab Christians should be the only people Europeans and Americans should support in the Middle East, not sodomite Jews who carpet bomb people in Bethlehem and Beirut

Agreed. Though I'm fine with rooting on the jews' enemies, so long as they do not also oppress Christians.

>>610989

>Then we started to really see their wickedness for what it was.

Such as?

>>610934

'Judaism' aka Phariseeism is just an offshoot of 2nd Temple Judaism that's picked up some goofy shit along the way. Christianity does not owe existence to this modern so-called Judaism.

>>611031

>Our lady was a whore who was shamefully divorced by St Joseph after he found out she had an affair with a Roman soldier named Panthera, and subsequently refer to her Son as "Yeshua ben Pantera"

>Jesus was a black magician who learned his magic arts while in Egypt, not because of His Divinity

>He was a wicked pupil and a rebel

>Jesus wasn't the son of God and was a blasphemer who is presently boiling in shit in Hell

>Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged…Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"

And that's just about Jesus and Mary.

>Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

>Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals ("she-asses").

>Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

>O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

>Jews are Divine, Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

>Jews May Steal from Non-Jews, Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

>Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

>>611040

>Jesus was a black

Aha, so the Rosenburg-Tyrone alliance is older than we thought.

>there are people here who think Jews follow God

>there are people who think Jews do not want to destroy Christianity and/or enslave us

>>610945

>"Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans" (Matthew 10:5)

>Jesus Himself used to ignore non-Jews at the beginning of his ministry

That's not what the quote implies you kike shill, he told the apostles to preach to the Jews first - because they knew of Abraham and Moses and worshipped the one God. "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in." (Matthew 10:13)

>>611056

Oh dear, I've just verified it.

The most outlandish claims of this PNG file are true.

I… I didn't like the religion of Judæism before but this has brought it to a new level.

>>610849

Why do you think people disliked Jews over the centuries?

>>610857

This.

>>610934

>>610941

to add a layer of nuance to this discussion. Pre-Christian judaism (2nd temple judaism) had babylonian influences but did not become talmudic Judaism until much later (around 300AD). Furthermore the jews were "God's people" not in the sense of ethnicity but in spiritual loyalty and cleanliness (because God condemned the faithless, and admonished the faithful). Many of the Jewish preisthood began to corrupt the doctrine for what was convenient in the temporal framework of the world, neglecting their own God, and for this Christ rebuked them. Those who realized their folly were saved (if i remember there was one specific rabbii who met with christ to ask about being born again) while others doubled down on their degeneracy and were made a synagoge of satan.

>>610848

>If the jews didn’t kill Jesus there’d be no salvation for anyone ever.

If Satan and his rebel angels didn't fall, there'd be no salvation for anyone ever.

>>610734

>6 hours of Chrysostom

>With a monotone voice.

Bruce Gore has a dr:tl verson.

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