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>>610669

I will try to help before going to sleep.

>Listen, who built Europe, pagans

It have nothing to do with neo-paganism, just like those who call themself jews have nothing to do with those of the time of Christ.

>Roman architecture and technology and political/business management systems aren't Christian inventions, they came from a culture of Pantheon.

From a philosophical culture that came down to us through the Church (monks, saints, fathers of the Church,… ). The Church fathers called themself philosphers, they were in fact (like saint justin,…) and had a classical teaching. The Church is by far the best defensor of this tradition, we rediscovered Aristotle through saint thomas aquinas, platonism through theology,… These philosophies have truth like saint justin said, "logos spermaticos" (semen of the holy spirit). Also these philosophies tend to a christian world-view like with aristotle the first cause.

>therefore Christianity just took and went with the flow after the political fall.

Not true, christianity converted pagans outside the roman empire, like monks made in the north with arianism (an heresy, form of christianism), that's why barbarians like Visigoths were arians (latter they converted to catholicism).

>The modern Europe was built by industrialization, business management, clash between Capitalism and Communism and Fascism, all taking a shit on Christian values unless they involved dosh and capital.”

That were 99% christians at this time so… And even free-masons were deist. Also there is no christian values, but virtues, man were virtuous manly man because of the sanctification of the people by the Church.

>>610669

Issac Newton, Gregor Mendel, Bernhard Riemann, etc.

He needs to go look at a science book

>>610669

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>>610682

Thanks. Also, sperma means seed. No need to get weird.

So? What does civilization have to do with God? We can live in mud huts for all I care as long as we live according to christian faith.

>>610669

I'm not sure if I have been clear. Neo-paganism et is a false tradition. It's a fantasy based on nothing. And the real defender of pre-christian traditions is the church. Where ?

>architecture

>art

>roman laws (giving canonical laws)

>philosophy (platon, neo-platonism with plotin for exemple with the church fathers, aristotle especially with saint thomas aquinas,… ).

>everything that is part of litteracy, a significant fact being we read in silence because of the monk that had to respect their of silence while reading

>Languages. Who still speak ancient greek if not in the Church ? The same for the latin, universal language of the Church

>and even paganism itself, books relating it, paintings relating it, all comes from christians.

For the modern days, inventors were christians, workers were christians, elites (you know what blood bath they gave us) were at least deist (gnostic).

>>610689

What a shame,… sorry, I'm not english.

But as saint gregory say, God give birth virginaly, with no passion, in the trinity and in the adoption of humans. The analogy isn't necessarly lewd :^)

So basically, what this amounts to is implying that everything good that came into existence during the many centuries of Christian Europe was merely a coincidence, while everything good that came into existence prior to Christianity is obviously due to paganism. Presumably they also blame Christianity for all the problems Europe has suffered since secularism took over.

>>610879

>Presumably they also blame Christianity for all the problems Europe has suffered since secularism took over.

This is what's most laughable.

>>610669

Neojews aren't ot jews and neopagans aren't Greeks nor Romans. I hope this helps.

>>610669

Ah ah ah, I'm Italian and my people converted; I cannot claim the achievements or failures of my people on myself, all I am is because of what I do (and, to an extent, what God gives me). And I'll add this: Italians achieved the peak of their greatness after the fall of the Roman Empire, when they were split in small Countries all across the peninsula fighting among themselves and while being Christians. So much for the "Christcuck" """argument""" often boasted by Based Bagans :DDD

Also: neo-pagans exist only thanks to Christian monks who wrote down all that they saw and knew about the true original pagans. We are often guilty of being LARPers, but they are 100% LARPing all the time.

>>611710

It would be interesting to create compilation of pagans contradicting theselves on the enlightenment and science. For example in one video varg talks about how the christians destoyed philosophy and created the dark ages only to be saved by the based muslim turks who brought back pagan science, then in a later video he decries science as materialist and modern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZR8wSyDdSo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dls_xjV7xJA

>>610878

>religion is so old people lived in mud huts

>pious Christians built Christianity that's why they disregarded "no graven images, private prayer and the shunning of riches".

>Also the bible totally is a reference book on architecture, science and artistry that's why Europe magically got transformed into a great continent of opulent Christian glory while the nogs had to carve, like, one church out of the ground.

Guess Europe is special ;^)

Time to hang up some "apples" that are not symbols of animals on the pine tree come next december, brethren.

On this fine Thors day.

Etc.

>Akshually Christianity is totally about absorbing customs like that because it replaces backwards pagan superstition and is the one and only truth that cannot have any gods before it that's why we have pagan days, duh.

>Also, pagans are larpers. This is clearly the case because everything pagans did and was good is actually Christian, as we told them later, of course.

I don't have more time than for this, but you know it all, etc. You're just having a giggle here.

You don't truly believe there's any true Christianity in Europe, do you?

I mean, it would be silly if you did.

>>611765

It's best to simply look at reality.

The fact that paganism survived over 2000 years of "full conversion conquest including the felling on some fabled tree" without "unifying scripture, faith, evangelism and co" while Christianity, curiously, no matter where it goes cannot truly replace previous pagan ways of any people. (Santa Muerte for Aztecs, Amaterasu for Japanse, " Double faith" for Slavs/eastern orthodox and co ) while always going against teachings of Jesus makes it apparent that paganry IS the engine underneath.

2000 years is simply a very short time so many people erroneously assume that trying out a new way means it is the one and only truth.

Especially considering that Christianity is the most split faith in the world.

And that it requires missionary efforts and co, wheras pagan beliefs are created from nature itself.

Polytheism is also the natural state of human spirituality and, I would now say here "Even Christianity fell for it with the trinity" but in the context of "previously pagan continents are still underneath it" that's a given anyway.

>>610972

>I'm Italian and my people converted

To something that goes directly against Jesuses teachings, every time there's a broadcast from the Vatican, Jesus is spinning in his cloud.

>neo-pagans exist only thanks to Christian monks who wrote down

Neopagans are an American invention.

Snorri wrote down Edda things, but if you think that the entirety of Europe is "we wuz vikangz" then you're wrong.

The world is just so teeming with "paganry" that you don't even notice it anymore.

To you, very likely, a naked woman at the front of a ship is just "a ship thing", when in reality the tits repel storms.

When you hear the nautical term "knot" you probably just think "ah well that's what a boat speed is called", when in reality it comes from witches selling wind contained in knotted string or cloth you could undo to gain speed.

Etc, I've already typed a bunch, but if you really were Christian then you'd be sitting in a yurt even today, with very few possessions, no public sermons or anything.

But you'd at least be allowed to own a sword, possibly.

>>611854

>The fact that paganism survived over 2000 years of "full conversion conquest including the felling on some fabled tree" without "unifying scripture, faith, evangelism and co" while Christianity, curiously, no matter where it goes cannot truly replace previous pagan ways of any people. (Santa Muerte for Aztecs, Amaterasu for Japanse, " Double faith" for Slavs/eastern orthodox and co ) while always going against teachings of Jesus makes it apparent that paganry IS the engine underneath.

That people wouldn't abandon ancient customs is separate from Christianity. Santa Muerte is not dogma. Christmas trees are not dogma. I'm also quite sure that the Russian Church doesn't see Dvoeverii as being dogma, either. That people get things wrong doesn't negate Christianity, in fact it just validates it all the more. The Old Testament is filled with this, either people creating other gods alongside God, or just ignoring Him altogether. This is not a negation of the core message of the Bible.

>And that it requires missionary efforts and co, wheras pagan beliefs are created from nature itself.

>Polytheism is also the natural state of human spirituality

When that state of nature is fallen, it doesn't say much good at all, especially when pagan life is inherently pessimistic, violent and corrupt. Almost as if they suffer from Original Sin …

I don't really understand your point about missionary work. It almost seems like you are saying that since disease is more natural than medicine, which requies effort to study, prepare, and distribute, then we should just ignore it and suffer ailments.

>I would now say here "Even Christianity fell for it with the trinity" but in the context of "previously pagan continents are still underneath it" that's a given anyway.

The Trinity was always present. Always. That no one noticed it until Christ's Revelation doesn't negate this. Global phenomena like Trinitarian Hindu, Celtic and Baltic etc. deities are global misunderstandings of this insight into the nature of God.

>Etc, I've already typed a bunch, but if you really were Christian then you'd be sitting in a yurt even today, with very few possessions, no public sermons or anything.

Based upon what?

The fact is that paganism in most of the world is gone. No going back. This idea of this sort of latent paganism "triumphing" over Christianirt by hiding in plain sight only reminds me about that joke about the Russian peasant couple and the Mongol warrior who wants to rape the wife, but asks the man to hold the Mongol's testicles so they don't get dirty. After the Mongol has done the deed and rides off, the wife, weeping, asks her laughing husband what's so funny. He responds "He told me to hold his balls so they didn't get dirty - but I didn't do it!".

>>611871

multiculturalism is also a tenant of Christendom

>>611870

You're wasting your time. This guy has been posting this exact same shit over and over again for months, if not years. It's been refuted time and time again but he never gets it. I don't think he's even capable of understanding the difference between custom and dogma, let alone high theology or metaphysics. You can probably tell by the way he writes that he's not all there.

>>611879

Point taken, thanks

>>611854

Your problem, as I have pointed out many times before, is that you hold Christianity to an absurdly high standard, and paganism to an absurdly low standard. Of course you can point out the flaws in, say, the divisions of Christianity. And yet when it comes to the practical non-existence of your own religion, you ramble on about how the tiny remanants of a pagan past left over in the culture mean that people are still really pagan.

>>611872

Christianity is monoculture.

>>611854

>The world is just so teeming with "paganry" that you don't even notice it anymore.

They are bits of dead tribal beliefs. To compare it to christianity is just sad on your part.

>I've already typed a bunch, but if you really were Christian then you'd be sitting in a yurt even today, with very few possessions, no public sermons or anything.

Yeah, sure. Aren't you the sad sack that thought having a "thor" movie was such a grand accomplishment for your side.

>>610669

Just call him out for trying to associate his snowcult with Greco-Roman tradition because it has nothing to show on it's own aside from a bunch of slaving raiders who evolved out of illiterate forestniggers.