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>>608983

>but how do studied theologians not voice their issue on this subject.

A.) They have their own convictions and agendas

B.) The ones that do, are usually debaters like James White or Robert Barron

C.) typically theologians will other sources/tradition and read into the biblical text. That's why Ortholics (or heretics, such as mormons for example) are the "worst offenders".

>>608988

I thought James white was a pretty cool dood, you aren't one of those "hes secretly a jesuit" people are you?

Can you give us examples? This is incredibly vague. Can you tell us who, in your opinion, follows the Bible the closest?

>>608991

>doesn't think most theologians aren't a jesuitical Freemasons

Wew

>>608993

A good example against Catholicism is the enormous amount of Images and iconography, the Bible command you to not make images of anything on earth, heaven or hell, it does not mention if you adore them or not, or if you believe there are spirits in them, it condemns their very creation, churches should be free of figurative illustrations, carvings and sculptures.

>>609004

That is obvious but they answer these objections by simply redefining everything so as not to conflict with their doctrines. They make up their own definitions for idolatry, prayer, worship, vain repetition, long hair, and so forth so as to ensure that nothing they do or endorse can be understood as being condemned by God.

>>609009

Well how else are they gonna get their wonderful moneys, Catholics showed their true colors in the evangelization of America, they basically wanted power and missed indigenous shit with Catholicism and even African witchcraft.

>>609004

I hope you don't take any photos then.

>another thinly veiled anticatholic thread

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>>608983

You don't understand anon, God told the Catholics later on that all of that stuff is ok and to ignore the bible

:^)

>>609004

>Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. - Matthew 6:9-13

>Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? - John 14:9

>Jesus asked, “and why do doubts arise in your hearts? Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see — for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.” - Luke 24:39

>The Word became flesh - John 1:14

>God was manifest in the flesh - 1 Timothy 3:16

> Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!” - John 20:28

>And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God". - Matthew 14:33

oneness of the incarnate

>the mother of my Lord - Luke 1:43

>our God and Savior Jesus Christ - 2 Peter 1:1

>Christ died for us. - Romans 5:8

>I read the Bible therefore I know better than literally everyone else

join the club bud, start a new prot denomination

>>609004

>>609022

>The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible - Colossians 1:15

>>609004

> the Bible command you to not make images of anything on earth, heaven or hell,

*sigh* I assume you're talking about Exodus 20:4-5 (also repeated in Deuteronomy 5:8-9).

Next time you're reading it try flipping over to the next couple of pages where we get the list of decorations that God ordered for the Tabernacle, which include:

"two cherubim of gold" on the Ark of the Covenant (Exodus 25:18-20)

and

walls covered with "artistic designs of cherubim" (Exodus 26:1)

I'd like to humbly* suggest that you're interpretation of Exodus 20:4-5 isn't quite right.

Also while you're at it read the plans for the Tabernacle and compare it to a Protestant Mega-church versus an Orthodox Cathedral (also most Catholic or Anglican Cathedrals).

Also if you're right about

> … it does not mention if you adore them or not, or if you believe there are spirits in them, it condemns their very creation

Wouldn't that exclude the photograph you included in your original post?

* Your post is making it reeeal hard for me to manage "humbly" here, but I'm trying.

That's probably because you tried interpreting everything by yourself and did it wrong. Give more examples

>>609017

this thread is not only about catholics.

like I stated above all major christian denominations, that includes protestants and orthodox

>>609043

I am not creating a denomination, I am criticizing existing one. Also I found by the will off God a "denomination" I can work with.

>>609050

>That's probably because you tried interpreting everything by yourself and did it wrong. Give more examples

I find it confusing that we try to interpret biblical texts. I rather have a passage that is "uncoded" and not yet clear than force some interpretation into it, just to fill the gap's.

Saw many good people turning into fools by trying to be wise.

>>609081

>"Oh, look at me, I'm so smart, I've read the Bible, now I know everything there is to know."

No, I read it many times and studied historical and cultural circumstances to at least get close to the mindset of the people who wrote it and to those who it was addressed to.

And I dont claim to know everything written in it. Some passages are still unclear

>How about you see what reasons do they have to believe what they believe. You know, in case you might be wrong or something.

I know some of the reasons, it just bugs me how you can just ignore obvious errors.

Just to let me be clear, its not a anti-chatolic thread, I just said that catholics are amongst the worst offenders. All 3 groups, catholic, protestant and orthodox are bad with scriptural compatibility.

But I cant just lump all protestant into one box, they have major differences among themselves.

will list some:

baptist churches- often ignore historical context, completely ignore the holy spirit. For that they claim to be amongst the most biblical literate denomination, they appear to have not read some passages at all.

Lutheranism- catholic ripoff with some improvements. The only thing that they achieved is becoming less pagan.

pentacostalism- Ignorance is king, make up your theology as long as it makes me money.

seven day adventists- actually decent in theology, feels very cult like. If they where not so focused on White it would be a lot better.

Because we are all humans, every one makes mistake, I dont believe there be a perfect denomination.

I have worked and still work with people of diffrent denominations. I do not condemn them and wish them hell, I just do not get how those people that are supposed to know the bible do not care about it. after the mantra. "The bible is holy, in there are very important passages, passages we ignore and passages we twist to our liking."

>why do most qualified people to talk about the Bible disgaree with me?

>they must all be wrong!

>>608983

Impressive. What are you going to call your new denomination?

>>608983

The special thing about Catholics is that they claim to love God, yet they do not heed his word, and condemn those that follow what the Word of God says because "They love the Bible, not God". The hypocrisy of it, they love the idea of God, but not what he commands.

>>609081

Came to post this image exactly.

The banhammer is strong on this board.

5 hours ago it had 30 posts

now it has 28 and 4 new posts

no wonder this board is dying

>>609293

Part of the problem is that overzealous Catholic mods have made it so non-Catholics are afraid to criticize their Church

>>609325

Yeah I’ve noticed that. They seem to have a very noticeable pro catholic slant

>>609325

>>609327

The thing is, banning non-catholic thought and rhetoric is detrimental to catholic apologetics. If the mods want to protect their faith, they should be out in the trenches arguing for it, instead of censoring others.

Imagine if Jesus commanded Peter to start sword-fighting the scribes and pharisees every time they approached to argue with Him.

>>608993

Haha nobody. If any large group followed the teachings of Jesus they would be dismantled by the state. Also, people don't want the truth, they want what is convenient, so they water down the teachings of Jesus until it's basically atheism but with people saying 'lord lord' and doing nothing else differently.