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>>607805

>If things don't get better for me I am going to make sure I go to Hell and probably kill myself after it is done.

Fucking retarded

>People of God

>>607809

I'm sorry OP, but I have to agree with this Anon. I will pray for you and I really hope things get better, I do not in any way advise suicide unless there's no other way out, but if it gets to the point where you really cannot stop yourself, I don't think God will send you to Hell for it… at least I hope so because its what I might end up having to resort to at some point as well. Whats important is you continue to have faith.

>>607805

You are menacing God with suicide or doing evil, so you are tempting God. That's very bad anon.

>>607816

Heart, you have a reason

if you grieve, if you sigh,

if you tremble, if you suffer,

since the God whom you love

is the one you unjustly wrong,

and you will give an exact rendering.

Heart, you have a reason

if you grieve, if you sigh,

if you tremble, if you suffer.

If you fear the exact rendering

of the most severe judge,

it is up to you to mend your ways

rather than waste time fearing.

If you weep and suffer,

heart, you have a reason.

If you suffer his sorrows,

the most dignified remedy

is to retire from the world,

crucify yourself with him.

If you weep and suffer,

heart, you have a reason.

May seeing him crucified

make you weep by seeing

how poorly your ingratitude

repays such constant faith.

If you weep and suffer,

heart, you have a reason.

If you grieve for your own mistakes,

you grieve very well, heart,

and this instant of suffering

will be an eternal life.

If you weep and suffer,

heart, you have a reason.

>f things don't get better for me I am going to make sure I go to Hell and probably kill myself after it is done.

You shall not tempt the Lord your God

>>607805

Picture in your mind what you want, have faith, and God will grant your favor. Any other choice is not Gods wish for you. Think only good thoughts…

OP here.

I am not tempting.

We love you, bud. It'd kill us to learn you'd taken your own life. I know that whatever's ailing you is in some way a direct result of my unholiness. If only I were more holy and active in prayer. I'm sorry, bud, I've failed you. Please forgive me

>>607816

OP here.

Why the music?

>>607814

Anon, are you considering suicide?

I will pray for you. I view suicide as dishonorable and against the traditions of my people.

>>607805

Obvious troll

>>607833

Hey anon. Why do you involve yourself personally in the matter?

This is OP.

>>607838

OP here. I am not trolling.

>>607836

You are literally saying God fix my life or else. Lyrics related. You will have to live with the temporal consequences of your actions, although sometimes God saves us from them. Not always, nor He has to.

>>607839

Look what my unholiness has brought on the world. St Serafim of Sarov once said that to aquire the Holy Spirit means thousands around you would be saved. This is evidenced countless times by St Herman of Alaska converting thousands upon thousands, the 12 apostles converting many nations, etc etc etc. But if I look around, there are not thousands around me who are saved. I am the problem with the world.

>>607843

>>607839

Whatever is ailing you, it is because I have fallen and taken the whole world with me. There's not a sin, there's not a tragedy in this world that I am not responsible for. Please forgive me.

>>607805

I'll pray for you OP, but don't give up on your life. Others have made larger mistakes than you and they were still fine.

>>607842

I am not saying "or else".

I am saying "if God doesn't do something and fix the situation I am pretty certain it will happen", and not necessary by my own will.

It is not a threat or intimidation but prayer.

The Bible says those who love one another fulfill the law. I know that I am the one posting here but where is /christian/'s authority to condemn suffering people if they cannot love the people of God?

>>607843

Why do you say this and blame yourself for me, anon?

Couldn't really keep up with your reasoning there in your post.

>>607837

At the moment, no, I've been doing really well thank God. Its more that I've come to the conclusion that if life ever gets so bad that there's only one way out, I'll use it.. but God willing it will never get that bad.

>>607846

Oh okay. I forgive you, anon.

Just do whatever you think you are able to do. Let God judge.

The reason that I am starting to doubt Christianity is because the Bible says something to the effect of "don't judge if you are not able to use righteous judgement"….and yet we have present crises which God must resolve for us, and we are forced to judge on the matter even though God is not "sending Divine Cavalry to the rescue", so to speak.

We can't really do everything, only as much as we can. We are not God (as much as God is God) because we are under God's authority and below Him.

>>607852

Ty anon.

>>607854

I am the sinner of all sinners. Don't worry if you don't understand it. We love you bud. Keep that with you.

>>607853

>>607853

>I need this done in order for me to not kill myself

> If things don't get better for me I am going to make sure I go to Hell and probably kill myself

So, this is the first case of involuntary suicide it seems.

>>607856

God bless you and keep you. I can put up with a lot of shite but what I am dealing with is the way that God created me.

>>607864

Ah, then this might be Satan speaking to me through a Human being?

>>607861

> The reason that I am starting to doubt Christianity is because the Bible says something to the effect of "don't judge if you are not able to use righteous judgement"….and yet we have present crises which God must resolve for us, and we are forced to judge on the matter even though God is not "sending Divine Cavalry to the rescue", so to speak.

In what way must you judge? On whom must your judgement be and for what reasons?

>>607864

Not meant to insult you, but I am just trying to guess if that's what's going on here.

>>607867

Satan isn't the sinner of all sinners. He didn't have dominion over creation and he didn't break the world with his sins. I, on the other hand, am and have done all these things. Satan would not ask for forgiveness either.

>>607868

>In what way must you judge?

I have to fix a problem that began for me by my being born.

>On whom must your judgement be and for what reasons?

On myself. Something has to occur for me to know that God is actually God and actually "faithful and true" and that I am not being duped by some angry powerful spirit creature or Archon.

>>607871

Are you speaking on behalf of God or is this a message from God (the Father of Abraham) being channeled through a mortal?

>>607873

Nothing that fancy. I'm a creature, a human being, speaking on his own behalf. Don't you know that God entrusted us with His creation? That we are stewards over it all? And so the sins of this one man have broken the world.

I can't blame you for feeling that way, OP. Really can't. I'd be in a similar situation to you, but the difference between you and I, is that I accept I cannot outrun God. Doesn't matter if I kill myself or quit church or try to turn back, God will continue to exist and do things whether I'm there or not.

I'm constantly unhappy and drained and wonder how it's possible for a human to feel so terrible but there's no way out. All we can do is wait on God, really. I'm not like other people that have different options.

>>607877

Perhaps in a small way, I'd say.

What is one man compared to the whole world?

Are you some infamous enemy of humanity? If so you don't have to reveal your identity.

I speak only for the sake of honest conjecture. May there be power in integrity.

>>607886

OP here.

Anon, I was considering this thread and I was wondering if perhaps patience was the virtue I'm lacking keeping me from "being right with God".

In the Gospel Jesus of course instructs us to wait for Him, if we are to believe the Gospel can be trusted.

>>607886

I am afraid of the possibility of Christendom being false and afraid that I might just be being manipulated by spirit forces hiding beneath the paradigm of Christendom. (Pretending to be a person humanity thinks is "God".)

I know, I know, it's a messy ordeal but I'm being honest. I am trying to "worship God in spirit and in truth".

I have had prayers answered in my life of course and have also witnessed what I could call "supernatural deliverance" in the world.

What keeps me going in life is my trust in the power of truth, purity and virtue.

I find that these "powers" manifest themselves in various ways in our reality despite the circumstances.

To me personally it is often through the divinity of Jesus and Mary, or the divinity of Christendom.

Even if I am not experiencing "supernatural deliverance", my mutual love and friendship with the "The Father" and with Jesus and Mary also provide me great peace in life.

>>607888

Infamous? heck no. You might have a slim chance of knowing me if you live in the southwestern US.

>>607889

It's a place to start. It might be that you're struggling so much because you have your own will and vision, and you hold on to it above what God might want and you sort of wish you could get some help in realizing that vision you have. It's my issue as well.

>>607892

Is the fear of Christianity being false your root issue? Or is the root issue that you're just not getting what you need in life? I suspect it's not belief that's your real issue here. If your root problem was solved you would likely have an easier time with faith.

Please op, do tell us more. What has you doubting in this way?

>>607908

It's like I'm without a real connection to God. My love for God is weighed down by heavy burdens that are "the world" or the "present state of my personal reality".

On top of this my life is filled with conspiracy against me in my own mind, especially divine conspiracy such as the fear of prejudices against me by God, in the way that man has prejudices.

An existential curse upon my soul by being in the world and being alive.

A lack in my life which sometimes feels can't be remedied by my will and strength of abstinence.

Enemies upon enemies upon enemies.

There is more I can say about these things, but I will refrain from doing so lest I speak too much evil about God.

>>607939

>such as the fear of prejudices against me by God

God is suppose to love you, look at the various troubled people in the bible who have gone from being mass murders of christian to followers loved by God.

BEGOME Episcopal

>>607962

Lol, I like the Episcopal church a lot, actually.

>>608004

That would be a good picture for a banner.

I prayed lad.

Remember God doesn't burden you above your ability to withstand.