/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>605991

youre the zero effort poster

>>605990

Nobody in my church wears suits to Church. So long as you dress in a way that is modest and respectable to the Church and the people around you, I doubt your congregation will care.

Literally no one wears a suit in my church, maybe if they are an old guy they will wear a tweed jacket with a tie or smt. I kind of agree tbh

As much as I do hate this bourgeois, capitalist society, I do think that if you can afford to look decent in the Lord's House, then you probably should. If not then not your fault but still.

>>606001

>Formal dress is pretty standard unless you're doing manual labor.

I work in an office and everyone wears jeans and t-shirts.

t. engineer

>>605990

We should wear our best clothing because we want others to see that we show we care and have respect for mass or service or whatever.

>>606013

>engineer office

>casual dress

because you don't meet clients or reps from other companies?

When I go out to most stores or businesses the workers either wear uniforms or business casual style clothes, ties, etc… suits are not something reserved for the rich

>>606005

>You are the bad status symbol that represents everything bourgeois, conformist and capitalist about society…

You make a better point without going there, friend. I pray your grandfather is having a good rest now.

>>606016

>We should wear our best clothing because we want others to see that we show we care and have respect for mass or service or whatever.

Actually that's not true at all. Yes that's probably why you do that for the workplace. But when you go to church things should be done for God and it should be considered not a place for second best, nota place you can slack off.

I think this is nonsense. Don't listen to communist podcasts OP.

>>605990

Suits don’t need to be status symbols, you can buy cheap suits. There are plenty of working class, poor people who still wear suits for formal occasions. There’s also nothing inherently capitalist about suits either, even in the USSR people were wearing suits. Being anti-conformist is just a meme, there is no more inherent virtue to opposing majority opinion than there is in following it. Certainly I do think Christians should avoid becoming supporters of greed, usury and labour exploitation (while also opposing Marxism), but that has nothing whatsoever to do with suits. Look at all the billionaires these days who seem to only wear casual clothes.

Nobody wears suits in my church other than some of the old people. I understand it for special days and services though.

I just wear jeans and a sweate

poorfag here and unemployed, besides what's the point in wearing a cheap suit? They tend to look bad, so if the point in wearing a suit is to look good. You failed.

>>606013

STEMfags are socially retarded

>>606001

No, I haven't fallen for leftist ideology at all. You need to realize that people on the reactionary right have always critiqued "bourgeois" culture and morality and they never did it in the name of Marx or anything like that. It meant something like "upper middle-class liberal hypocrite."

>>606016

> church is about showing off to others

>>606008

Church's aren't temples. The curtain was ripped from top to bottom. Wherever we are gathered in Jesus' name, he is there, he doesn't need a "house"

>>606019

>>606157

https://www.catholicgentleman.net/2015/04/dressing-like-a-man-for-mass/

you're there to worship jesus, not to worry about materialism.

>>606182

>bourgeois nu-male shit

>the catholic gentleman beard oil is sold out! remember you have to wear a suit!

lol wut

>pic

That's good too. Just don't show up like a slob. It also depends on what the rest of the people in church are wearing.

>>605990

It's a convention to be dressed the best way possible, well groomed, perfumed. Because you think going to church is something important for you.

But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter at all. You are supposed to be well dressed inside. So if you dress very well to go to church better be that way inside, so you don't become an impostor. Personally I don't care.

>>606216

don't listen to commies

>>606018

Just yesterday I was in a meeting with reps from another company. No change in dress. Upper management doesn’t even wear suits on a daily basis. I see the CEO walking around in jeans.

I don’t know what stores and business you’re going to, but it’s very rare to see people walking around in suits and ties.

I’m sure this varies with location and such, but in my experience, formal dress is unusual.

Look at any photo from before 1965 and you'll see how all men wore suits back in the day., both rich and poor. Just because you're poor doesn't mean you can't make some effort. I honestly think that today's (lack of) clothing standards is a sign of decadence.

>>606005

>You are the bad status symbol that represents everything bourgeois, conformist and capitalist about society…

Exactly. Jeans and t-shirts, massproduced by child slave labour are way more capitalist and "bourgeois" than a suit will ever be.

t. Marx

>>606182

This.

I know it's still really niche, but I hate this edgy "le subreme gadlig gentleman" shit. Expecially that beard oil shit.

They want to be like St Joseph but end up being more like King Herod with their vapid vanity.

Personally, some drab, simple gear is enough. Wash your face and be clean, but to vex yourself over appearances isn't just a waste of time but sinful. Forget it.

>look up bourgeois definition on google

>belonging to or characteristic of the middle class, typically with reference to its perceived materialistic values or conventional attitudes.

>(in Marxist contexts) upholding the interests of capitalism; not communist.

Pretty sure OP is using the first definition, not the Marxist interpretation. The modern bourgeoisie culture is inherently materialist and the suit has been their uniform since the 19th Century. These are the types of people that rejected Christ during the enlightenment. Just because they've managed to convince the whole world to wear it doesn't mean it should be supported by Christians.

I've often thought that, simply because of what it represents, it should be banned in churches and everyone should be encouraged to wear more traditional clothing.

>>607325

>The modern bourgeoisie culture is inherently materialist

The Middle Class is certainly materialist, yes, but more materialist than the other classes? That doesn't seem very likely to me.

Materialist doesn't mean wealthy enough to buy nice things. It means an over focus on things of this world over things of the world to come. In which case it's a competition between the Middle and Working classes for least materialistic, and between the Welfare and Upper classes for most materialistic.

As some people have mentioned a lot of billionaires and software engineers dress quite casually. This is NOT humility, but in many cases is actually arrogance, particularly among the billionaires and the more intelligent engineers. (Among the less-intelligent engineers it could also be apathy, and ignorance instead of arrogance)

"Other people might dress up for work, but I won't; I'm too important for that." It comes from the belief that we're the most important man in the room, not from any sort of humility. (This belief is actually often well founded, at least by worldly reckoning)

This is a concerning enough attitude when taken to a meeting with co-workers or customers, but when taken to a meeting with the Almighty Creator of the Universe it's downright scary.

(Of course a suit would be excessive in many areas and churches; mine you only see full suits on major feast days, but you can still put a bit of effort into dressing neatly and formally)

>>606277

>Upper management doesn’t even wear suits on a daily basis. I see the CEO walking around in jeans.

You're from America. I guarentee it.

DEATH TO CAPITALISM

>>605990

I wear a suit when I have a choice. Sometimes with a tie and sometimes without. What decides this is fashion - not anything theological. When I dress this way I am usually marginally overdressed. I don't mind, so I keep dressing this way.

I do not think ill of anyone who comes to church in less than this, though. I think one should dress modestly, though. There is a difference between a girl wearing a dress/skirt (even normal pants) and wearing yoga pants, though. It's not that I am an animal, but when I am trying to think of heavenly things, I do not want to be dragged down to Earth looking at a girl's yoga pants tbh.

The big thing is, I would rather someone come to church dressed horribly than not come to church at all.

>>607424

CHRISTCOM GANG?!