/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>605972

If we did, then we would be able to get automatic weapons without a permit or background check.

>>605979

That's not an automatic weapon, it's just a stock that absorbs the recoil of the firearm.

Potentially. But we're more likely being punished for the promotion of sin in the media, or something. I'll pray alongside you, brother.

>>605972

Springfield's got a lot more to answer for than distasteful names and prices for their firearms.

>>605972

Hi /leftypol/

If guns are an idol, then that means they're protected by the second AND first amendments. Your move, liberals.

If anything, the Liberal world-view is what I'd consider an idol.

I'm sure we've all met a few anti-gun preachers in our day.

SHALL

>>606064

NOT

>>606066

KILL

>>606043

It looks neat but also just like yet another part of the gun that can get jammed.

america had a ton of weapons since it was funded. So why only after the 80's, 90's, we started seeing mass killings? mostly done by isolated and alienated white males.

>>606066

>>606064

>>606073

>forgoting weapons are dissuasive

Looks like you've watched too much movies.

you shall not defend yourself ?

>>606080

Because this is a mental health problem that needs to be addressed here. Not made worse by turning everything progressive and dehumanizing everyone in re-education camps and put on drugs.

In fact, all these shooters are living seriously drugged up lives. That's one of the real factors that the media refuses to report. In fact the progressives want to use shootings to get gun control, because then they can enact all kinds of other controlling laws. It's a sheer power grab by an enemy, the progressive, boldly pretending to be your friend. They want us all to live trapped lives with no escape and they think they will be exempt.

>>606066

>>606064

>>606073

2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one's own life; and the killing of the aggressor…. the one is intended, the other is not."65

2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:

If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful…. Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's.

2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another's life. Preserving the common good requires rendering the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm. To this end, those holding legitimate authority have the right to repel by armed force aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their charge.

READ

THE

CATECHISM

I go to the range to practice so that maybe, just maybe, I might be able to reliably land an incapacitating shot. Most gunshot wounds do not kill. If I must incapacitate someone potentially fatally, I will do whatever I can to preserve their life as long as it does not risk ending mine or my family's.

If I was carrying a firearm and I could have stopped a mass shooter from killing other people, I would consider that culpability. Inaction is an action. Being able to protect those unable to defend themselves is a virtue.

>>606075

I hope you're joking.

>>606084

>>606087

>>606092

Easy, guys. I saw the opportunity and made a joke. Guns are outlawed in my country but I used to shoot in cadets.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

Heck no.

Not necessarily. But it's idolatry whenever I think about keeping guns to use them for self defense. If this is my defense, I am not worth defending.

>>606280

See this >>606092

Don't be too harsh on yourself. You're not allowed to desperate lol. Hating yourself is a atheist thing to do, a christian is ashamed before his God and ask for forgiveness and strength.

>>606282

There. It's more accurate

>>606286

If I'm worth my salt, I'll put myself on the line for others, not put others on the line for myself. Self-defense is often the latter.

>>605972

Maybe some people, but that is no argument for making arms ownership illegal.

>>606064

>>606066

>>606073

And murder is illegal in the states kike.

>>606064

>>606066

>>606073

*murder

The idols of the modern world: Freedom, Equality, Egalitarianism, Individualism, Climate Change, Elon Musk, Netflix

Just try denying any of them and see what happens. That's religious devotion right there.

>implying anyone here even likes the shitty AR platform

>>606030

leftypol loves guns though. Remember that they dream of leading an armed revolution.

>>606084

That's absolutely right, you shall not defend yourself, but rather turn the other cheek (yes I'm that guy). watch as none of the refutations use the bible as evidence

That being said, I'd rather a murderhobo shooting me than the government gaining too much power because it isn't held down by the threat of revolt and executing me for whatever.

>>606073

BE INFRINGED*

Common sense gun control? More like common sense Atheist control.

>>606092

>I hope you're joking.

Not really, I mean unless it's air pressure a spring could get rusty or stuff.

>>606587

An appropriate translation would be turn the other face. Which means offer a peacefull way to get out of the situation, show something other than violence. Then it's more clear.

>you shall not defend yourself

That's not christian and that's against the natural law.

>>606064

>>606066

>>606073

"shall not suck black dick" yet the liberals can't sto sucking those 12 inchers.

>>606640

there are no springs in a bumpfire stock

>>606677

Looks like a pretty nice thing to have then.

>>606640

It relies on just recoil to move back and forth. If it used a spring or air pressure, it'd technically be classified as a machine gun by the ATF.

>>606647

>offer a peacefull way to get out of the situation, show something other than violence

You're absolutely right. No violence.

>>606730

Sophist

Here Jesus talk about an offense, not someone that threat you and maybe will kill you.

IN the two situations you only seek common good.

>break the vicious circle of offense in order to maintain charity and enhance relations

>or by charity you protect people including yourself

>>606739

>talk about offence

But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Are we even reading the same book? That's clearly about another person attacking you.

>>606740

TURN THE OTHER CHEEK: Backhands were the way to dominate a wife or slave. Open-handed slaps were a challenge to an equal. Hitting left-handed was unthinkable, social condemnation would fall on the hitter. So, by turning the other cheek your assailant must either: be ostracized, stop hitting you, or acknowledge you as an equal. You've won.

>>606742

That's completely true; and holds up today. If somebody is trying to mug you and you pull out the 'are you really that far gone that you'd kill a defenseless person for no gain', then you've won. Not only that, you're on the right side of the Lord.

The (second) greatest commandment is 'love your neighbour', and that means everyone on earth, especially your enemy. Anyone can love somebody who loves them back, few can love somebody that hates them.

>>606043

>>605979

you can bump with your shoulder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2YLgLj8KVY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFAosibig88

>>606928

>But as for the cowardly

Nothing says cowardly like failing to stay strong in the face of evil and failing to not fall down to their levels.

>Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed

True. It also supports my point.

>Exodus and Numbers

Unless you avoid pork and shellfish and don't wear blended fabric and don't do anything on the Sabbath (which is Saturday, not Sunday), you probably agree with me when I say that Jesus fulfilled the old testament law. Let me know if you need me to elaborate on how the old testament laws no longer apply. I mean, they still apply to provide context and knowledge, but we are no longer enslaved to them.

>Numbers again

Says do not spill blood on your own land, and the only way to atone is your own blood. Meaning don't kill near your home. Also doesn't fully apply to us.

>Psalms

That's directed towards God, not to the reader.

>Proverbs

Says that instead of letting people die, you should save them. Almost supports my point, doesn't go against it.

>Ezekiel

That's prophecy, not law.

>Luke

Jesus literally explains why he wanted his apostles to buy swords - to fulfill prophecy. And when somebody said 'ya we have a couple of swords', he goes back on the 'let the one who has no sword' part, because they have already fulfilled 'and he was numbered with the transgressors'. To top it off, when of them later uses a sword to defend (that's right, to defend) Jesus, Jesus tells them to stop it because 'he who takes up the sword will die by the sword'

At least you tried to use bible verses.

>>606938

My own principles, definitions and 21st century culture eh? For a start, turn the other cheek is absolutely about muggery, and even if it isn't, then the very next verse, it says 'And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well'.

>if you don't kill the man trying to kill your neighbor

Looks like the apostles are hell-bound, hell-lovin' cowards because they were command by the man himself not to kill to defend even him.

For the principles, tell me, how different would your ethics be if you weren't Christian? If they would be the exact same, how can you be sure that you would've learned anything from the Bible (you clearly haven't, because you ignore every time it says 'do not resist evil')

>definitions

When did I redefine anything? You seem to be throwing around any accusation you can find.

>and 21st century culture

Have you been outside recently? Everyone is trying to justify using violence. Maybe not more than in the past, but most of that is fear of nuclear weapons. Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot all legitimately thought that their actions were justified and in some form of defense. To this day, ISIS and Al-Qaeda and whoever else is out rooting-tooting-hospital-shooting out there think that they are justified in doing whatever they are doing.

>a text that does not at all show those things

Are we even reading the same book? I'd quote bible verses, but then I'd be quoting most of the New Testament. I'll give you a bunch of the first ones I think of.

>Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God (Matthew 5:9)

What it says on the tin. You should strive for peace.

>But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgement; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. (Matthew 5:22)

Not only should you not kill people (it's an extension to that command), you shouldn't even harbour anger at another person unless you feel like going to hell.

> But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. (Matthew 5:39)

DO NOT RESIST EVIL. It cannot be made more clear than this, except maybe with a little story of how to act when someone uses violence against you afterward. Oh wait.

> But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45)

That's right, you must love your enemies. Love does not mean murder. It in fact means the exact opposite.

>You know the commandments … do not murder (Luke 18:20)

If you want to inherit eternal life (that's what it says), you must not murder. YOU MUST NOT MURDER. "Oh but it's not murder if it is justified" literally every murder ever done by somebody who was not completely off their chops justifies their actions. What makes a good justification then? Something that Jesus would approve of. Now tell me where Jesus approved of killing. Or any of the new testament scripture justifying killing. You ever wondered why the fellas in Acts didn't just march into Rome with swords speed-resurrecting anyone who gets killed? Because that's not the christian way.

Let me know if you need me to go on. Because I can continue all day.

>>607461

tl;dr

is that your way to win an argument ?

You didn't answer >>606928 pic

>Let me know if you need me to go on. Because I can continue all day.

pride

>>606740

>That's clearly about another person attacking you.

wtf will you die for a slap ? Are you this much a faggot ?

>clearly

great argument.

A slap is an offense, not an attack, or a threat for your life. And in a situation when it's not an urge for your or other person's lives you must have a peacefull and clever move. You CLEARLY over-interpret this verse, giving it an absolute meaning it haven't, just because of your modern ideology.

>inb4 as a sola scriptura protie you absolutely need a verse who explicitly justify using violence.

I don't need a verse to tell me to do what humans (and christians) always did : Defend themself with the appropriate means. I case of defense killing being an accident.

>>607461

>and don't do anything on the Sabbath (which is Saturday, not Sunday)

The Christian Sabbath is Sunday and is to be a day of rest and worship

>>607490

>The greek

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>stuff

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>is pretty

purposely

>much correct

make

>It's an example

discussion

>but it's message

impossible

>The greek stuff is pretty much correct. It's an example, but it's message applies broader. But that's not the only passage that says don't fight evil with evil.

You don't deny the pic disproving your initial point. And you only give us the "don't defend yourself" out of you ass. >>606587

>I don't need a verse

Yes, the religion of spririt, we don't need a rule (and a verse) on everything

>Someone slapping you is attacking you.

"muh slapping me is the same as someone trying to kill me"

You are a faggot that only think with verse (even though you have no verse to explicitly say the same as you)

>In case you didn't notice, the Bible doesn't tell us to do what humans always did. In fact, it kind of tells us to do the opposite.

The coming of Christ is the completion of human traditions, pagan traditions, it have a logic with natural law,…

>christians didn't fought in the early centuries

yet the others did because the situation changed, christians became responsible of countries and didn't died in martyrdom.

>But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great

yes and ? I think the point of your kind is only to give doubt to the weaks.

>>607495

>out of my ass

But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great.

Is that good enough for you? Or do you still think that killing your enemies is loving them?

>spririt

You didn't provide an argument?

>slapping

For a start, please stop with the wrathful faggot-calling. I once read a book that people that do that will be liable to punishment in the gehenna of fire. Secondly, I don't only think with this verse. You seem to not have noticed any of the other verses I posted.

>the coming of Christ is the completion of human traditions, pagan traditions

That's a new one.

>the others did because the situation changed

And the christians changed. Rome had learned that the best way to get rid of the threat of the christians was to turn them away from Jesus and become pharisees 2.0. What better way for Satan to put a dent in the faith other than by putting on sheep's clothing.

>didn't died in martyrdom

And inherited eternal life

>yes and?

Loving someone isn't killing them, no matter what the Muslim extremists say.

Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

It's that simple.

>>607495

Oh yeah the pic doesn't disprove the point. It states some facts and then long-jumps to a conclusion.

>>607503

Oh haha wow I cannot find any evidence of the historical context that >>606928 pic

used either. Makes sense, because God's word is eternal and all. Disappointed in myself for not questioning that earlier.

>>607502

>But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great. Is that good enough for you? Or do you still think that killing your enemies is loving them?

Defending others is love, defending yourself also. Love also stop you from doing it out of anger or unnecessary. The intent is to protect, not to kill, killing being an accident.

>And the christians changed. Rome had learned that the best way to get rid of the threat of the christians was to turn them away from Jesus and become pharisees 2.0. What better way for Satan to put a dent in the faith other than by putting on sheep's clothing.

No respect for the people and saints before you for more than a millenial. Maybe you should cite some church father to back you up.

>I once read a book that people that do that will be liable to punishment in the gehenna of fire.

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgement; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. (Matthew 5:22)

But

Luc 8, 21 : "He replied, “My mother and brothers are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice.” "

And you are an heretic trying to misinterpret the word of god and so to desobey him.

Stop using God's word for your own end you Pharisee.

>>607508

Wikipedia and google doesn't work for everything, unfortunately for you.

>>607502

If a man came into your home to murder your wife and children, would you kill him?

Yes, that's why we are being punished. It doesn't have to do with abortion being legal, fag marriage, wars in the middle east, degeneracy all around, or the destruction of Christianity.

>>606043

lol, did CNN just throw all of the extra attachments on to make the gun look scarier?

>looks at computer screen

Have we turned this into an idol? Are we being punished?

>>607569

Mean to say: "He was stooping to not just the level of the Canaanites, but also the Devil's?"

Bumping for >>609522 to see.

>>605973

This. Anyone shilling for removal of our rights is not only advocating for White genocide, but you are literally siding with those that murdered God Himself. Do not be deceived.

Nothing created is evil.

The prevailing idea in leftist echo chambers that guns are somehow inherently evil is gnostic as heck.

They're merely tools and tools can be abused.

>>606587

Commie leaders take guns away after the revolution.

>>606769

So will shoulders be outlawed next?

>>606064

>>606066

>>606073

Whatever happened to Luke 22:36 and Matthew 10:34?

>>606064

>>606066

>>606073

Plebbit raids were a mistake