/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>605023

>Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Rom 13:1-7

Anarchy can only work in small communities, and that's assuming there is no massive tsunami of evil encroaching.

Yes.

It's worth noting that anarcho-capitalism/libertarianism are very broad political theories, united simply by a belief in the illegitimacy of government authority.

It doesn't necessarily mean a belief in social liberalism or a rejection of all kinds of authority. Just in voluntary transactions and associations.

The resulting covenant community (or whatever you see the result or what you want to call it) isn't necessarily going to have legalised drugs or homosexuality. As long as the prohibitions are voluntary. The church is a good example of voluntary acceptance of an authority based on wisdom rather than force.

It's also not necessarily a small collection of megacorps driven by intense greed. Without the government to protect and prop up giant corporations, there would be much more trade at local levels. Without federal meat regulations, for example, I'd be able to buy meet from my ethical farmer neighbour. Without government leasing of public property to corps or subsidised water allowing giant farms to produce meat that is otherwise unsustainable, we'd also be better stewards of our environment.

I think a lot of the opposition to ancap beliefs is opposition to the "selfishness" advocated by someone like Ayn Rand or a belief that libertarianism is a worship of big business. It's not, really. Most regulations hurt small business, high prices driven by lack of competition hurt people.

I hate consumerism. And I have no desire to be rich. It's just become increasingly more obvious to me that government is anti-family and anti-human and can't be reformed at this point.

I believe in degrees, though. Certainly state rule is better than federal rule and local rule is better than state rule. It's not all or nothing.

>>605069

Thank you

God is the ultimate monarch. No.

What do you guys think about voluntary communes i.e. live in the village with the laws you agree with?

To be fair, I think that anarcho-communist governing would be more Christian. Not in the anarkiddy antifa trash fire of the present day and age sense, but in the Mikhail Bakunin social communitarian sense.

>>605023

I am personally at odds with the idea of ancap, however I suppose it could be considered Christian if ones private property were to go back to serving the community, and not be used for the sole purpose of generating wealth.

However, traditionally Christian anarchists tenses to favor more left wing traditional forms of Anarchism as opposed to individualist or right wing anarchy.

I recommend reading Tolstoy's "The Kingdom of God is Within You" for a more in depth analysis. The book is mostly going against institutional Christianity and the skeptics of Tolstoy's time, however this book serves as the foundation for Christian Anarchism.

>>605118

Today I learned something new. God bless you, brother.

>>605122

I think anybody >>605029

using Bible verses in an attempt to affirm or condemn your question cares nothing about historical context. The Bible doesn't answer every question. That being said, I think considering the story of Babel and many nations throughout history, smaller more close-knit communities tend to produce less bad fruit and a stronger church.

>>605023

Anarcho capitalism is a delusion just like lolbertarianism. You all live in a dream land just like the commies.

Fascism all the way!

>>605089

I like the idea. Read The Benedict Option. It triggers the shit out of Catholics though.

>>605293

Because in a way that sees Christianity as an aesthetic option for yourself, like some sort of self-help philosophy to just live a stable life with rules, ignoring what Christ called you to do and seeing religion as a tool.

There will not be any heaven on earth until after the days of tribulation.

>>605274

Yes, why?

>>605293

Thank makes me wanna read it more

>>605023

No, but they can be a National Anarchist

http://www.national-anarchist.net/

>>605069

> Without the government to protect and prop up giant corporations, there would be much more trade at local levels.

True.

>Without federal meat regulations, for example, I'd be able to buy meet from my ethical farmer neighbour.

Or die of salmonella, or end up in weird situations like food in China.

Though relaxing regulations a bit would be a good idea.

>Without government leasing of public property to corps or subsidised water allowing giant farms to produce meat that is otherwise unsustainable, we'd also be better stewards of our environment.

True.

>Most regulations hurt small business, high prices driven by lack of competition hurt people.

Most regulations ended up there for a reason, usually some guy abusing the legal vacuum.

Some are just stupid things made to benefit some group, or state interests(corn subsidies), yes.

> It's just become increasingly more obvious to me that government is anti-family and anti-human and can't be reformed at this point.

Nah.

Everything you are worried about has been a problem before, and was counter-acted.

NSA-tier spying on civilians by intelligence agencies was struck down by the Church Committee, for example.

It'll be a semi-difficult legal reform and civic society pressure to pull it off, but way easier than "let's demolish everything tied to legal or the state, and hope for the best"

>>611069

Why would anarcho-capitalism lead to anything even resembling social conservatism, let alone Christian morality? Most businesses out there, especially the big ones, seem to be infected with liberalism when it comes to social matters. Hoppeans are delusional in thinking that if only the state would be done away with, morality would magically appear out of nowhere and be re-established. There’s nothing either in the Bible or in Apostolic tradition to suggest such a thing. Libertarianism is purely a product of the Enlightenment, which thinks that the right political and economic system can solve all our problems.

>>611072

>M*narchists

only good thing that degenerate revolutionaries did imho is that they exterminated king and m*narchist vermin

>>605023

I suppose it's not entirely impossible; there have been some Chirstian preferences drawn into some minarchist movements. The main thought is that since Jesus was tempted with the Devil on the claim that he controlled the earthly powers, one can go further and conclude that by reducing state power projection on Earth, you deny evil it's infernal tools.

That said, most anarchist groups are totally incompatible with the faith, of their own will: "No gods, no country, no masters" and all that. Certainly one out of those three are not going to fly. So, it's a difficult cross you'd have to bear if you wanted to forge a different path. Certainly most anarchist groups will be at least verbally hostile, if not physically hostile, to your modification.

ancaps should be used as test subjects to see how safe cars are

>>605023

What does this have to do with norway

>>605274

I so lol'd

No. Ancaps, lolbergtarians, and any of the like are just enablers of (((European-style Socialists.))) Christ does not want you to side with or enable those who murdered him and celebrate this.

>>605023

1. Anarcho-Capitalism is a retarded oxymoron

2. Capitalism isn't Christian

3. God is king

Maybe a temporary change in which we become anarco-monarchists to bring back the crowns of Europe…

You can be a Christian and mostly anything as long as your ideology is in light of your faith. Things such as communism specifically say there is no God, but if you believe in everythig except for that one point you're still pretty much a communist and a Christian. The same goes from everything from anarchy to fascism

Liberalism in all its manifestations is luciferian.

>>605363

No, Dreher is literally saying the state is going to start oppressing Christians hard and you better have a backup plan (alternative institutions) or else only LGBTQIA+ Christianity will be tolerated.

It bothers a lot of people when Dreher points out that you can't be 100% Christian and live in a neo-liberal world. You're always going to make compromises for your faith and non-Christians will see this as a sign of weakness and irrelevancy and force you to make even more compromises.

>love of money is root of all kinds of evil

<let's make a civilisation where the only thing that exists is money

I don't think OP thought this through

>>605135

But he wasn't swearing any oaths?

>>605023

Christians can only be apolitical or a monarchist.

Anarchy is only suitable for Saints.

>>611088 (checked)

>the system of God is wrong

>>605274

underrated post