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>>603896

>Is there a good answer to these?

Yes. Actually reading stuff in its context

>>603909

I know that the non believer one is speaking about a specific group of people.

>>603896

Why are you so afraid to kill?

>>603909

Care to explain how your precious context can justify all this?

>>603961

Like I said, a lot of misinformed people try to throw the Old Testament laws at Christians even though we do not follow most of them.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/why-we-are-not-bound-by-everything-in-the-old-law

>>603961

>your precious context

First of all, its not "my precious context", you braindead moron, context is the most important factor that defines law and you don't have to be in a Jurisprudence classes to realize this. It's a basic knowledge.

Second of all, you can go and tip somewhere else with. If you would desire to actually analyze this, you wouldnt have this garbage attitude that you have.

https://manyebooks.org/download/is_god_a_moral_monster_making_sense_of_the_old_testament_god_by_copan_paul_published_by_baker_books_2011.pdf

I'll still leave this link, through I doubt that you would actually use it, or can actually read, as far as I am concerned.

>>603896

Yeah, its called Theonomy.

>>604033

Your kindergarden lvl insults imply that you dont even need to justify your favourite jew tales because you pretty much live to hate everyone that might slightly disagree with your view on life just like the jews did. Truly biblical and sad.

All those groups of people deserved to die, though we as Christians are no longer commanded to kill such people under the new covenant. We are forgiven of our sins under the new covenant, the same goes for those types of sinners. All those things listed are still bad however, and must be discouraged.

t. person who has committed some of those sins

>>604334

>I don't have an answer for those facts you posted so I'll just make fun of the way you type, haha christ cuck btfo!!1!

damn your'e so cool

>>604335

>All those groups of people deserved to die, though we as Christians are no longer commanded to kill such people under the new covenant.

Does that mean that God changed his mind over time? Like "First I was like kill everybody that doesnt obey my law but now I say love your enemies lul" Takes your flawless "logic" of pure love to the next level.

>>604336

You better practice what you preach if you want to be taken seriously.

>>603896

Why would /islam/ shill for Jews?

>>603896

Lev. 21:9 is specifically about a Levitical priest's daughter becoming a prostitute, not fornication in general. The 2 Chronicles one is about an oath that people chose to swear, not a commandment from God. Not sure about the Deuteronomy 13 one. But generally this is an accurate list of things we should be doing.

>>603969

this

>>604341

because jews love /islam/ so it could actually just be jews

>>604337

>Does that mean that God changed his mind over time?

No, but the nature of man did. When Christ became flesh it elevated man, and the material plane of existence in general, to a higher state.

>>604334

Oh I'm not insulting, I'm merely accurately describe what you are.

Also, I posted a reading material already… but as established, your merely a moron who wants to vomit his euphoria, instead of educating himself on the matter.

Anyways, here's your (you)

>>604337

God can change the rules he expects his followers to live under, and why shouldn’t he have the right to do so? However, the only reason anything has changed is because Christ died on the cross. The only reason we can be free from the old law is because of God’s sacrifice for us. The old law was fulfilled, and so Christians are in a much better situation than the Israelites of old.

>>604348

>jews love /islam/

Evidence?

>>603969

I appreciate and understand this argument but how can those laws have ever been just in the first place?

>>603896

1 though 7: Ceremonial law.

8: Context

9: Lying is a sin. All sin is unto death.

10: I'm not confident on this but I believe it's because they willingly put up a threat to the nation, treason.

>>603961

Everything is Old Testament

Jesus was nailed to the Cross for dissolving Old Testament

Closest thing you get to Divine command in Christianity is New Testament

>>604426

If they were really just, Jesus wouldn't have dissolved them

>>604434

But Jesus -who is God- created the laws in the first place?

>>604436

Those Draconian laws were written for Kingdoms who are now long gone, to put order in extremely barbarian times.

The Laws famously received directly by God are 10 Commandments given to Moses, which are Universal and don't have a specific punishment stated.

Even assuming the laws refering to a limited period or kingdom, we're not in that time anymore.

Same reason we don't follow Roman Empire law 100% but still bother to preserve Latin and study roman law.

>>604438

But the Torah -which contains all 600+ laws- did come from Jesus (God).

Why have such barbaric laws in the first place if you're going to annul them later on?

>>604439

Same reason laws from Roman Empire are no longer in effect in modern West.

Laws made for temporal things cease to be relevant when said temporal things pass away.

Laws from Leviticus are for a type of society that no longer exists. Not even Jews follow them anymore.

>>604440

>Roman Empire

That's a temporary authority. God is eternal. Why would God make temporary laws?

>>604442

He didn't make any temporary laws, it's stated that he ended the laws that were given he then, essentially, became the law that could justify us.

>>604445

Why give laws only to end them later on?

>kill fornicatirs, kill nonbelievers

No, maybe in certain circumstances but in general that is not allowed

>>604439

“Barbaric” you know in my opinion I think it’s barbaric to be able to do any of those things and being unpunished for it. It’s only by the grace of god that we no longer are.

>>604439

>barbaric laws

Get out heretic

>>604448

Because it became clear that people could never follow them fully, either by their own volition or due to the stain of original sin, thus it became necessary to change the law so that people could be reunited with God.

The quotes that are coming from the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Old Testament, are from when the Jews were wandering in the desert and thus had no way to set up a prison system to discourage harmful behavior in their community. A swift death by execution was actually more merciful than being exiled to the desert, the only other real option, and slowly and painfully dying of thirst and hunger.

>>604439

>>604442

>>604448

>>604460

These laws were for the Jews to prepare for Messiah. Messiah came so they are annuled because of that. Someone post that Lutheran meme video about Horus and law.

>>604334

It's always a treat when "skydaddy"-tier fedoras come to play here. Absolutely euphoric.

>>603896

/Islam/ already does these things.