16eae8 No.601887
How should a Christian respond to a cheating spouse?
7146a8 No.601890
Stop feeding and clothing it. Let the church know you married a whore and gauge their response to determine whether or not said church you're attending is worth a damn. If the state tries to get you to pay for her, move either innawoods or to a different country. Do not remarry.
If you have kids, tough. That's her fault for ruining the marriage.
7b01db No.601902
Forgive her and raise the other mans spawn as my own
73ce03 No.601903
a1085c No.601913
forgive her and beat her
have more control over her
e72ccd No.601915
>>601887
While it is grounds for divorce, that should not be your first response. Forgive him/her and go to couple's counseling. If he or she does change their ways and repent, then divorce is an option.
>>601890
>Stop feeding and clothing it.
People can feed and clothe themselves, you know. Also, fleeing the state to avoid court ordered payments is a crime. Also, OP didn't say it was a cheating wife.
>>601913
>beat her
That is a crime.
4359c6 No.601917
f37fac No.601919
cf013a No.601921
>>601913
>forgive her
No. I mean you should forgive them but you should also end the relationship
>beat her
Edgy
53cb1a No.601925
Sexual immorality, including adultery, is biblical grounds for divorce. On top of that, she should be completely ostracized by her community. If she repents, forgive her, and if you feel personally so inclined, remarry (so long as neither of you married other people in the interim).
a1085c No.601926
>>601915
>That is a crime.
just a normal behavior of a man and an husband. It became a crime thanks to the feminised state that can't stop himself from banning everything that "feel bad" and from interfering in every field that isn't the state, even in the family. Now we can't even correct our child (slap on the butt forbidden in a lot of country)
>>601921
>Edgy
>correcting is edgy
>penitence is edgy
>all our ancestors, predecessors in the faith were edgy
and
>I mean you should forgive them but you should also end the relationship
>soy boy don't want to beat his wife but ready to drop her even if they are married before God
>don't want to dirt his fist to fix his sacred mariage
>don't want to save her soul through penitence and ready to let her sink into sin
Weakness is lack of love
16eae8 No.601929
>>601925
Can you provide the verse that says that adultery is biblical grounds for divorce?
I can't find it?
cf013a No.601931
>>601926
>he wants to fuck a vagina another penis entered ever
The only modernist cuck here is you– especially with your thinly veiled BDSM influenced desire to "spank" and "discipline" women and make them into your property
If a woman is an adulteress you should not remain in contact with them
c8baad No.601933
Stoning.
Since that isn't permitted by our government, I'd probably get separated and not remarry until she dies.
cec390 No.601935
>>601929
see Matt. 19
19 Now when Jesus had finished these sayings, he went away from Galilee and entered the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. 2 And large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?” 8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”
aeb48b No.601936
I would probably become a monk.
cf013a No.601938
0fd6d1 No.601941
Marry a woman who won't turn out to be a cheater.
A lot of guys adopt the MGTOW mentality that each woman is promiscuous or lacks in morals, but what they fail to mention is that the MGTOW crowd finds their wives in bars or clubs.
Practicing Christians usually have very happy marriages and the rates of divorce for practicing Christians are usually very low. Don't look at statistics for secular societies, they lack in morals.
0fd6d1 No.601943
a1085c No.601947
>>601931
>he talk about his sacred marriage in terms of sex
>muh penis in vagina
>but then it's me that sexualize mariage
Your the weak for totaly losing your married wife before God just because "muh it's dirty now"
>modernist
The Church always said the mariage is a permanent union. You should do all you can to keep your wife and fix your relationship (because it can be). If she is an adulteress she can be forgiven through confession and penitence, then it's up to the husband to be sure he have more control and it won't happen again. Liberal christians like you don't want to take the responsability for their marriage.
>make them (women) into your property
typical liberal word change. It's about autority not property. But I know it means responsabilities and you prefer to dump your wife than having to assume them.
d34d18 No.601950
0fd6d1 No.601953
>>601950
Why would anyone unironically suggest stoning for cheating?
I know that there's people here who actually believe in that.
cf013a No.601956
>>601947
I don't care what the Papist Church has to say. Jesus said you can divorce an adulteress. And that's the only way someone can get a valid divorce.
c802b3 No.601958
Hard to let the Church dictate the official idea of marriage when half the clergy has themselves inside children.
Respond based on your own feelings about it. Personally, I'd say divorce. But some find ways to work things out. I'm personally not capable of such maturity.
e72ccd No.601959
>>601926
Are you sure you're reading the Bible and not the Qur'an?
d34d18 No.601978
>>601959
Why do you relate discipline with Islam?
b37276 No.601980
>>601953
>Why would anyone unironically suggest stoning for cheating?
Because that's what God said should happen. We're not required to do it, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't.
0fd6d1 No.601984
>>601980
“He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her.”
a1085c No.601985
>>601959
>advocating physicall correction makes you a muslim
>I'm a soyboy but I want to appear conservative
>>601956
>the law say I can, thus I should
cowardice is still cowardice
e72ccd No.601986
>>601978
I relate beating your wife to Islam. Qur'an gives a man permission to physically assault his wife. The Bible does not.
e72ccd No.601990
>>601985
No, see, I'm actually married. The very notion of physically assaulting my wife is unconscionable because I love her. You don't go around smacking someone you love.
Either you need to never marry or, if you are married, you need some serious help.
b97d51 No.601992
>>601986
Are you the same anon who thinks spanking your children = beating them?
e72ccd No.601993
>>601992
That is not a conversation I have had on this board.
0fd6d1 No.601994
>>601990
A lot of the folks on the board are teenagers or young adults with fervent beliefs on the subject. They'll grow out of it in time.
b97d51 No.601995
>>601993
That's what I thought.
e72ccd No.601996
>>601994
>They'll grow out of it in time.
I certainly hope so before they find themselves in prison for assault and going through a staggering divorce.
>>601995
You asked a question knowing the answer was no? Hmm.
b97d51 No.601998
>>601996
I asked the question assuming that you were either going to dodge it or say yes. You did both.
a1085c No.602001
>>601990
>physically assaulting =/= correcting
>You don't go around smacking someone you love.
Who said so ? Like it was random injustified violence. Also you love your kids, and that's for this reason you correct them physically.
Hebrew 12, 11 :
>Now all chastisement for the present indeed seemeth not to bring with it joy, but sorrow: but afterwards it will yield, to them that are exercised by it, the most peaceable fruit of justice.
7ed6f3 No.602011
>>602001
You can chastise someone without beating them
"Beat your wife" doesn't exactly bring any sort of Christian image to my mind's eye
d73520 No.602020
>>602011
I think it is a very, very small punishment for adultery
7ed6f3 No.602044
>>602020
The proper punishment for adultery is divorce.
Being violent with someone except when necessary to protect yourself or your loved ones is wrathful.
e72ccd No.602045
>>602001
Since the quote you've mentioned in Hebrews is genderless, can a wife beat her husband?
ca77fe No.602047
7ed6f3 No.602049
>>602045
It's not referencing beating a spouse at all it's about parent disciplining children.
>>602047
Jesus quite clearly said not to stone adultresses, and it's sort of condemning capital punishment in general
There's a pretty well known scene in the Gospels about it, if you're curious.
e72ccd No.602051
>>602049
>it's about parent disciplining children
Very good, but this thread is about spouses, not children. It's why I evaded >>601992 this fellow. I didn't want the goalposts moved.
b97d51 No.602078
>>602049
All evidence points to that being a later addition.
fccb95 No.602088
>>602078
>muh abrogation
Repent, Ahmed.
b37276 No.602144
>>601984
Are you suggesting it is intrinsically evil to stone adulterers?
7ed6f3 No.602157
>>602144
I think he's quoting JC there, friend. It's not his own assertion.
c69094 No.602169
>>601956
The Gospel of Matthew says pornea is grounds for divorce. The conspicuously different Gospel of Mark does not give such an out. What Christ said depends on which gospel you think is a more accurate rendition of that speech.
Mark was earlier
Mark was the harder teaching
Mark is probably the lesson Christ gave.
No outs, no excuses, make your marriage work even if she cheats- but you can totally hold it against her unless she properly repents and changes.
9232d3 No.602172
Just to remind you guys, this applies to the husband cheating as well.
fdc862 No.602190
>>601936
St Paul the Simple did just that. Got authority to cast out demons (really, really well) for his trouble.
0b1d90 No.602208
>>602169
I have to disagree here. Church fathers identify Matthew as older than Mark.
And what is a divorce? Jesus says whoever remarries is committing adultery. Both writers seems to agree on that. So you can cut ties with your unfaithful wife but you are gonna still be her husband and she will still be your wife. In the end there's no contradiction. You can divorce (meaning you can leave her) but the union remains until death.
Some fellow catholics don't accept the idea of separation in any case. But it's totally against the purpose of the Gospel. What if a woman is abused by his husband with forced sodomy (anal sex) and gets beaten every time she attempts to resist? Of course this couple should be separated until the husband's death or regeneration. But they would also be married of course.
Theres no need to purpose a contradiction between the Gospels since the teachings are in fact only one.
0b1d90 No.602210
>>602208
Complementing the answer:
2383 The separation of spouses while maintaining the marriage bond can be legitimate in certain cases provided for by canon law.
If civil divorce remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the care of the children, or the protection of inheritance, it can be tolerated and does not constitute a moral offense.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P87.HTM
d73520 No.602220
>>602044
>The proper punishment for adultery is divorce.
Why?
>Being violent with someone except when necessary to protect yourself or your loved ones is wrathful
It is just in this case. I don't see how it is any less wrathful than divorce, which doesn't even exist
4af0ea No.602222
>>601915
Boo hoo it violates the law our liberal secular government will be upset :( we better appease them instead of doing what normal humans do
e2479c No.602225
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>>601992
>>602051
No, you evaded him because you don't want to admit that in reality your problem isn't about men correction their wife but is about physical punisment in itself. Your the kind of people who will let their relative and child sink into sin instead of correcting them. Physical punishment is a natural and traditional way of doing over people you have autority on. Trying to justify their weakness.
>Proverbs 29, 15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but the child that is left to his own will bringeth his mother to shame.
>Proverbs 23, 13-14 Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell.
You have autority on women
>Ephesians 5:21-24 "Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord:
Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body.
Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so also let the wives be to their husbands in all things."
>>601990
You don't love your wife if you don't want to keep her. Physicall punishment is just a salvific temporary punishment (where you don't harm/kill her). But coward like you prefer to drop her instead of facing the problem (her insubordination). The same type of bourgeoise coward that can only use indirect violence, always relying on the state. And the simple and evident attribut of the autority of men is his physical strenght, yet you don't want to use it because of "it feels bad, I can't". People and christians always used it, charity is about correcting your brothers, not dropping them as a used up sock. See some old movie about that, when males when men were still men and (((feminism))) haven't done all it's harm. You don't need to be a pater familias that owns the life of his wife, it's just a correction.
16eae8 No.602231
So what if you get cucked?
Are you supposed to forgive your cheating spouse?
What about the verse that says
Matthew 19:9 (KJV)
> But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19%3A9&version=KJV
b37276 No.602346
>>602157
>I think he's quoting JC there,
Obviously he is. My point is that God doesn't change so it's not somehow intrinsically evil to stone an adulterers.
1d6a97 No.602350
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication
>fornication
Is fornication the same as adultery?
>No
Watch this!
ffcb97 No.602419
>>601935
>What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.
What I'm getting here is that "divorce" and splitting the union is impossible, and if a man "remarries" because his wife was an adulterer, he doesn't commit the sin of adultery. However he probably commits the sin of polygamy as divorce as Jesus says is impossible.
ffcb97 No.602421
>>602169
It does not say porneia is grounds for divorce, it just says a man who divorces an adulterer and remarries does not commit adultery, yet that is not a sanction to do so.
Also you are a modernist heretic for suggesting Matthews gospel is incorrect and scripture is not infallible. Also Matthew came before Mark
874c4a No.602433
If your spouse adulterates you may divorce them without sin
874c4a No.602434
>>602419
>>602421
>except for sexual immorality
16eae8 No.602442
>>602350
So we're just supposed to stay with a cheating wife?
e72ccd No.602469
>>602225
So, according to you, women are children. That means you're perfectly fine with a man marrying a child, having sex with a child, and making babies with a child.
You need help, son.
9c17ca No.602476
>>602469
>You need help, son.
<99.99% of my ancestors, who agree with >602225 are wrong
It is you who needs help in de-judaizing your brain.
e72ccd No.602484
>>602476
No, I don't; but I also don't use scripture about children as an equation to how I treat my wife. Equating child rearing to the sanctity of marriage simply doesn't work unless you're a pedophile.
3e09e7 No.602486
>>602476
Who the fuck cares what Schopenhauer said? I care about what Christ said.
1d6a97 No.602489
>>602442
As opposed to putting her away and divorcing her, yes.
>>602476
>>602225
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
self-flagellation?
0c13ab No.602501
>>602469
>So, according to you, women are children.
being this dishonnest. First you don't deny my assertion that you're also against child physical punishment, proving my point. Thus I argument for physical punishment. Not only for women but for people you have authority on (here child), thus on your wife, since it's a recognised and blessed mean to assert your autority. A mean that don't contradict charity.
>That means you're perfectly fine with a man marrying a child, having sex with a child, and making babies with a child.
wew
>If women aren't your perfect equal then you're abnormal
If it's not a problem to hit a child, then all the more it won't be one to correct your wife, it won't hurt her more.
-"but she will feel bad"
because of her ego of course.
>inb4: "as a protestant you keep saying it's not in the scripture thus it's not allowed"
Some things don't have to be explicitly prescribed in the scripture
0c13ab No.602503
>>602489
I posted the previous verses of the ones your quoting so… And if you re-read my post :
>Physicall punishment is just a salvific temporary punishment (where you don't harm/kill her)
So it doesn't contradict the verses you posted. Remember also we talk about an exceptional case of infidelity of your wife.
>self-flagellation?
more like self discipline. What Christ do to the Church if she is un-obedient, prideful ? What do a christian do if his flesh begin to stop obeying to the mind or try to take the power through passions or seductions of the world ?
e72ccd No.602509
>>602501
>>602503
>if you don't beat your wife, you're a soyboy cuck
When you're in your 30s you're going to be wondering why you're single.
12d1dd No.602517
>>602350
Let me preface this by saying, I'm not attacking the KJV, but this is abuse of the translation. The greek word "porneia" means "a surrendering of sexual purity" and encompasses all sexual relationships outside of a marriage. Anderson REPEATEDLY takes archaic translations used in the KJV and interprets them in a modern context. For example, his reason for not participating in apologetics is because Romans 1:29 (KJV) describes reprobates as being full of "debate" among other things. However if you look at the Greek word being translated, it denotes a meaning that modern English would refer to as "strife", and this is how it is correctly translated in more recent Bible translations.
This is why Anderson comes up with idiosyncratic doctrines based on proof texts, and sometimes even single words!
0c13ab No.602521
>>602509
>if you don't beat your wife, you're a soyboy cuck
Again twisting my words.
Re-read my posts.
b97d51 No.602531
>>602521
He's an ideologue and misguided.
16eae8 No.608709
So I didn't really get a good answer.
If you get cucked, what does a Christian man do?
8dca41 No.608716
What should a Man do?
Cut the mans throat over a river and then dump his whore wife in with the blood
What should a Christian do?
Bend over and prep the bull
11168f No.608736
35ea34 No.608761
>>601887
Well, if s/he's unrepentant, s/he should be counselled, then counselled by two or three witnesses, then brought before the Church, and if s/he still refuses to repent of their sin, be put out of the fellowship and regarded thereafter as a sinner, a non-Christian to whom light has not come and the ekklesia has not place for. A husband/wife would thereafter be free to divorce their unrepentant spouse. I'm still vague on whether they can then remarry – it's not something I'll ever face, so I've never really studied the Word for an answer to that question.
imho, church discipline is an integral component to resolving failing marriages, and lack of church discipline is abetting unrepentant adulterers.
(That said, husbands not loving their wives and wives not loving their husbands is an equal partner to this miserable failure.)
35ea34 No.608765
>>608736
win
>>602350
>using-up 11 minutes of my life to hear vitamin K split hairs
Oh please, you can't summarise the thrust of his dissertation?
1.
>"Deut 24 says if he finds something unclean about her early in the marriage … " t. Vitamin K
Nope, Pastor K, that is NOT what Deut 24 says. You are conflating it with ch22, and you cannot do that because they are talking about two completely different things. ch24 says
< When a man takes a wife and marries her, if then she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her
Not "when he finds some indecency in the first 24 hours", but "he has found some indecency in her" at some time …
2.
Joseph's situation with Mary is Deut 22, not 24.
Nup, the entire thrust of Vitamin K's argument is "Deut 22 and 24 are talking about the same thing" when they are not, and Deut 24 permits a writ of divorce for "uncleanness", which K even says could mean adultery, without specifying a "when". So, your justification here >>602350 for this statement here >>602489
>As opposed to putting her away and divorcing her, yes.
… is invalid
5a7652 No.608820
Throw her out the front door by the hair on her head, curse her in the name of the Lord and tell her to never come back.
1ad6a1 No.608986
>>601902
So, can we, at last, agree that Christianity is truthfully the religion of cucks, and aims to make of men 'sheep with shaven necks? I'm not saying it's a bad thing or anything to be ashamed of, indeed, you might even argue the virtue of such spinelessness, or meekness as you say – but can we at least admit to the basic and honest fact of the matter?
(USER WAS BANNED FOR EXPLOSIVE EDGEPOSTING AND WAS SENT TO A BOMB SQUAD) 7273b9 No.608992
>>608986
> Hmmm, which one of these responses should I take to be the TRUE representation of Christianity
> Ah, this obvious bait post will do fine
Also anon, it’s possible to forgive someone for their sins and still punish them. Ideally in a Christian society, adulterers would be put in jail, as had been done in the past.
35ea34 No.610839
>>608986
>(USER WAS BANNED FOR EXPLOSIVE EDGEPOSTING AND WAS SENT TO A BOMB SQUAD)
I thought humourous redtext bans were going to be, themselves, banned?
What's this brilliant mod riposte I am reading?
8088ea No.611029
>>601887
It is a sufficient grounds for divorce as stated by the lord (Matthew 19:9).
However you shouldn’t run to this option. Instead bring it up directly to your cheating wife, seek spiritual guidance and try to forgive your wife; if she doesn’t reciprocate this forgiveness then you should seek a divorce.