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1. No.

2. It's not in the Bible.

>>601588

>Mark 2:20

>Matthew 9:15

>>601591

Doesn't say anything about lent. It's taking about fasting period. Nothing to do with lent.

Verse 14

>fast oft

>>601592

Of course I do.

It's biblical and ecclesiastical.

>>601592

>doesn't say anything about lent

>its talking about fasting period

What do you think Lent is, my historically challenged friend?

>>601588

> 2. It's not in the Bible.

Neither is brushing your teeth, but you (probably) still do it.

Unlike brushing your teeth, fasting is a way of devoting yourself to and giving honor to God, leading up to the celebration of His resurrection. So is "it not in muh book" an excuse to skirt an opportunity to honor God?

>>601886

>>601617

It's not wiping ash on your forehead like pagans. If you need to be reminded to honor God something isn't right with your heart.

>>601896

>reminded

That's not what lent is about. Fasting is honoring, not a reminder to honor. Let incessant prayer be your reminder.

>Do you?

no.

>If not, then what's your reason?

Christian liberty, the regulative principle of worship, sausages

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affair_of_the_Sausages

(i realize zwingli would have drowned me for being baptist but i agree with his sentiment)

I fast, I just don't make a big public show of it.

>>601588

Do you do Christmas?

>>601592

when's the last time you fasted baptistbro?

>>601914

<Ulrich Zwingli, pastor of Grossmünster in Zurich, Switzerland, spearheaded the event by publicly speaking in favor of eating sausage during the Lenten fast. Zwingli defended this action in a sermon called Von Erkiesen und Freiheit der Speisen (Regarding the Choice and Freedom of Foods), in which he argued, from the basis of Martin Luther's doctrine of sola scriptura, that "Christians are free to fast or not to fast because the Bible does not prohibit the eating of meat during Lent

So he based this on someone else's heretical views. Makes sense.

>>602131

Why are you trying to stop foolish and stupids arguments while simultaneously using a "most people in your denomination are moderates so what you say doesn't matter lol" argument?

>>602131

> Oh, so you mean do we FAST? Oh, well, of course, there are times this is appropriate. But, OP is asking whether it happens at the exact same time each year that we wimpily give up chocolate or some other lame version of fasting.

That is lame, you're right. God bless those who fast more dutifully and complete it with prayer and almsgiving. Lord knows I need work.

We feast in celebration of things such as Christ's resurrection. In preparation for major feasts, we fast. This is an icon of Christ's 40 days in the wilderness, and it magnifies the joy of the celebration and the honor and glory of God. This is why we should fast at the same times every year. But it absolutely should not be reduced to only fasting during lent. Pascha is not the only thing we celebrate, and it's not the only time we should fast.

> Lent is a regularised, annualised version of fasting that has been watered down to a "give up chocolate for a month"

Yeah that's shit, I agree. Does not accomplish the mission fasting is meant to accomplish. I hope the Lord uses it for His purposes despite that.

>>602133

>"most people in your denomination are moderates so what you say doesn't matter lol"

No, I'm mocking how poorly the regular annual fast is treated not because it invalidates the tradition, but because it emphasises that regular and annualised doesn't make it "better" or make for better fasts. The tone of this thread is that Lent is superior to irregular fasting. I'm asserting that is not true, and giving examples, but I'm not saying Lent is a bad idea in and of itself.

So you follow? I am refuting your claim and then lambasting your (collective) intent of starting a "foolish" argument.

But, nice try. Have another go.

>>602140

>your

Sorry, esp. given you've just joined the thread, that should probably be "the" or "your (collective)" rather than making it sound like you personally were the one responsible for the whole thread.

>>602140

Great Lent can only be fully understood in the context of the full church year – otherwise, you're right, creating a specific time each year might be considered arbitrary. Baptists don't really have this context, nor do they share much in the way of tradition besides some foundational Scripture interpretations.

I would, however, argue that there is some mutual encouragement to be found in embracing the idea of a regular, annualized fast. I've found that an individualistic sentiment is often coupled with the condemnation of tradition in my interaction with some Baptists, but that doesn't mean they represent Baptists as a whole. Fasting together and walking through the whole church year together isn't a bad thing.

>>602131

Only Latin's do that, the Orthodox actually fast.

not eating food is pagan

>>602179

You guys don't for 40 days?

>>602200

>>602200

Don't eat.*

>>602201

We eat very little, and abstain from meat (including fish), dairy, eggs, oil, and alcohol for the entirety of Great Lent

And we are not supposed to eat at all from Good Friday to Pascha liturgy

>>601521

whats a lent?

>>601896

>It's not wiping ash on your forehead like pagans.

19 And she put ashes on her head, and rent her long robe and laid her hands upon her head, and went on crying.

>Daughter of David was pagan

>>602403

Don't speak for all of the Orthodox there, brother. The Western Rite Orthodox have different fasting rules with respect avoidance of dairy and eggs. Also the Russians don't consider beer or kvass or other "low"-alcohol drinks to be breaking the fast, in moderation.

>>602179

The mainline Latins changed many of the fasting rules only recently, during the Vatican II reforms or around that time. There are a LOT of tradcaths who still follow the older rules, however, which are essentially the same as those used by the Western Rite Orthodox today.

>>602412

>>601896

>>601896

Smearing ash is Biblical. However, we're also directed that when we fast, we shouldn't make a show of it, and to my mind, wearing the ash all day on Wednesday is kind of showy. I'm glad that the Orthodox don't do that.

>>601886

We're ordered to fast, by Christ Himself. The Church initiated a 40-day fast prior to Pascha as a time of preparation for catechumens who would traditionally be baptised on Pascha. Hm, 40 days of fasting, I wonder where that idea came from …

The Baptists only THOUGHT they were eliminated "traditions of men." Instead, what they did was eliminate the traditions of the Church and then substituted their OWN, NEW, INNOVATIVE traditions, which were indeed traditions of men, as they were not handed down from Apostles or those who knew them, but were created out of whole cloth by men who knew not the Apostles. Stuff like the Bible being the be-all and end-all resource for everything etc.

Friendly reminder, my protestant half-brothers: that Bible which you use as an icon was written by OUR CHURCH. The Church existed before the Bible and the Church gave you the Bible.

You're welcome.

>>602403

based

>>602416

>Smearing ash is Biblical. However, we're also directed that when we fast, we shouldn't make a show of it, and to my mind, wearing the ash all day on Wednesday is kind of showy. I'm glad that the Orthodox don't do that.

First of all, it's completlly voluntary.

Second of all, it's not private but from someone else.

Third of all, it's catholic in proper term - it's universal. When all do that, it's not a show.

And finally the rule is that if keeping ash would make you feel uneasy and embarrassed then keep it. But if it's real probality to boast then it's completlly missing the point and you ought to wash it asap.

Also, it's parish depndednt, but as valid form of use of ash is just puting it upon top of head.

>>602423

I trust Church fathers over random historian.

>>602117

I'll keep that to myself as I think that's something to be kept for the most part between God and I. I'd rather not boast in how often or not I fast. Jesus said not to draw too much attention to it. Even fasting can become prideful according to Isaiah. I think the best I can say is not enough. Even the disciples slept when they should have prayed. But he supplies grace where we lack. I hope to do it again soon, and encourage others to do it, as I feel it brings one intimately closer to God, especially when your only food for a time is the bread from heaven.

>>601617

Just remember that yer dealing with a Baptist. Any church practice that isn’t explicitly mentioned in the Bible is considered wicked and pagan to them.

>>601896

>anything I don’t like or understand is pagan!

Okay.

>>602416

>Friendly reminder, my protestant half-brothers: that Bible which you use as an icon was written by OUR CHURCH. The Church existed before the Bible and the Church gave you the Bible.

Is this true?!

>>602423

Makes me think about how Baptists will cite Catholic writings anytime they try to make a point.

>>602596

>Makes me think about how Baptists will cite Catholic writings anytime they try to make a point.

what's wrong with that?

>>602598

There is nothing wrong with it. Quite the contrary. You should always cite works of The One True Chruch of Jesus Christ Our Lord.

>>602487

"universal" is not what katholikos properly means. It's a bad translation. The true meaning of catholic is "with the fullness". Latins misunderstood the word.

>>602581

Pretty much.

The early church in the apostolic days did not have any new testament scriptures because they had not been written yet. The apostles were busy preaching and founding churches, and hadn't yet settled down to write the gospels. Their old testaments were collections of separate writings, not bound into one book. Much of the new testament is comprised of epistles written /to/ already-established churches. It stands to reason that the bible came from the church, not the other way around.

>>602416

>Written by our church.

You mean altered by your church.

>>602596

>Makes me think about how Baptists will cite Catholic writings anytime they try to make a point.

Is it OK to cite Ibn-Ishaq, the Qur'an or Sahih al-Bukhari/Muslim when disproving Islam?

If so, why?

>>602690

Cites a Catholic Archbishop as the final authority on an issue. This somehow disproves Catholicism.

>>602665

"Altered" "Compiled" Those words mean the same thing right?

>>602700

no archbishop was cited,

the arrow is pointing to the NIHIL OBSTAT and IMPRIMATUR, showing that the material in the other image (taken from the same encyclopedia) is considered sahih by the roman catholic church.

>>602703

>considered sahih by the roman catholic church

heh

>>602703

You guys are so funny, talking about things you don't have an inkling of understanding about.

I only follow the Bible and Lent is not mentioned in it.

>>605165

>Christmas is mentioned in the Bible

>not Lent

I don't get it?

>>605230

>>605046

>The word 'lent' doesn't appear in the Bible, but fasting, penance, ash as a sign of repentance, and following the example of Christ is. But its dumb and hard and I don't like it so I ignore it.

>The word 'Christmas' never appears in the Bible, because celebrating birthdays is a pagan ritual that was denounced by jews. But its widely celebrated on winter solstice(a pagan holiday), so I celebrate it too.

You and OP have a very immature logical process friend; do you think somehow that Christmas is more important than Easter?

>>602423

And?

What are you trying to prove?

>>602063

It's a sin to observe Christmas because Christmas isn't in the bible

>>605340

I fast. The Bible doesn't give us a schedule or calendar for that sort of thing. Celebrating Christ's birth, death and resurrection and giving gifts are always nice things to do, but I don't think anyone should feel obligated to focus these acts specifically on Christmas or Easter. Personally I celebrate those holidays mainly because it's socially expected of me. I am not comfortable with these holidays' commercialism and association with lies about magical characters though. If it was not socially expected of me I would be just as happy not celebrating these days.

>>601588

trinity isn't in the bible either but…

>>605046

try following the god jesus instead, it'll work better

>>606689

Not directly, but if you combine what it says about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit being God, treating them as separate persons, and then what it says about there being only one God, you can infer it from scripture.

>>606711

with that logic lent is also inferred from scripture

>>606772

How so? The scripture about the nature of the godhead, if you add it all up says 'God exists and is one but is three persons who are all God'. Every part of that is in scripture somewhere. There is no scripture you can add up to arrive at the specifics of Lent as a necessity for believers. Verses about fasting, sure; Lent, no.

>>602539

>I don’t want to brag about it lol

Friend, you’re on an anonymous imageboard. What bragging rights could you possibly gain here? Sounds like you’re avoiding the question, tbh.

>>602403

>oil, and alcohol

This again. Oil and wine are perfectly accepted here at least. stop speaking on behalf of everyone. Only things that are universally abstained are animal products.