/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

It was not actually but publicly perceived to be the first FPS. Without FPS, would we have had an Adam Lanza?

>>599912

>Without FPS, would we have had an Adam Lanza?

Yeah, there would still be plenty of mass shootings. Think about the hundreds of millions of FPS players who don't go on rampages. The mentally unstable (Adam Lanza for example) will always act out violently.

My point is, why did so many jump to the idea that Doom was promoting Satanism when it was pretty much doing the opposite?

>>599915

It was only liberal soccer moms who claim to be christian that were complaining. In fact i think that there were petitions put out recently by these similar people to take down the Lucifer and Preacher tv shows.

>>599915

there are some christians who just label literally anything that depicts demons/magic/whatever as satanic out of hand

There is a ton of occult symbolism embedded in the game. We're talking Disney-levels of subliminal messages. With the latest version of the game, they actually embedded pentagrams and the number of the beast in the visual waveforms of the audio tracks; embed related.

Any medium which glorifies through satanic imagery should be avoided. "Abstain from all appearance of evil."

>>599919

Oh boy, hell and demons have satanic imagery associated with them. Who would have guessed? Embedding pictures in waveforms is nothing new either: it's a running injoke with audio engineers to fit shit like cat pictures in them and Doom went along with the game's theme by adding pentagrams and sixes in Hell's music to spook faggots like you.

>Abstain from all appearance of evil

Abusing a mistranslated verse, nice. By your retarded standards, all classic Christian artwork depicting Satan, demons, or associated things are to be avoided, as is shooting demons in the face with a shotgun.

>>599911

>implying one can kill demons without faith in Jesus

It's a satanic game. Trust /christian/ on this one.

>>600012

What if Doomguy is a Christian?

>>599917

A mother not wanting her children to derive pleasure from violence is completely justifiable. Psalm 11:5

>>600012

It's just like Diablo 2 (my favorite game) you're physically fighting demons (even though you can't really physically fight demons in reality, since they're spirits) and often you're using un-biblical means to do it, like In D2's case you're raising the dead or casting spells or transforming into an animal with a familiar spirit. The UI is full of satanic stars.

>>600028

Oh great. Use magic and witchcraft as means of destroying demons from which magic and witchcraft takes it's powers from.

I hope you see my point.

>>600051

>I hope you see my point.

That was my point as well.

>>600011

>By your retarded standards, all classic Christian artwork

Christian artwork?

Shouldnt even be playing videogames at all fucking manchild

>>599919

are you genuinely that …. or just LARPing?

>>600084

>WAAAAAAAAAAAH STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE

>>600112

>plays little kids games into his adult years

Hey man dont judge it's just the fun things I like so what if they make me look fucking pathetic you cant call me out judge not remember

>>600106

Oh did you get triggered because your favorite pastime is not only childish vanity, but exposed as satanic? Take a look at yourself, don't worry about me, projecting Peter.

>>600015

Doomguy IS christian. Doom is the story of how a righteous christian man triumphs against all evil with the help of the Lord.

>>600132

*without

There is no mention of Jesus in doom. It's not a /christian/ game. Deal with it.

>by embracing science you got rid of your silly notions of heaven to become a Satanist committing human sacrifice

t. DOOM (2016) main human villain

I wouldn't exactly call that an anti Christian stance. You as a character do everything in your power to sever the connection scientists have made with hell in their hubris, and canonically were running around hell for an arbitrary amount of time slaughtering demons. I have difficulty viewing this game poorly.

Also, what I've been giving thought to because of another thread and is relevant here: who says you can't kill a demon with a shotgun? Obviously you can only cast out demons in the name of Jesus with faith in Him, but that's not the say there aren't other ways to fight demons; that, say, they find the anti demon rituals of other regions as truly frightening, or that, say, a chainsaw couldn't kill one.

>>600084

Heeeeeere we go again!

>>600114

Got a verse to go with that claim, or do you abuse scripture as well?

>>600079

>subliminal messages

How are you going to HEAR a pentagram, fam? Seriously?

>>600117

I dont watch cartoons. I just consider you to be retarded.

Also, reported for insult, shitposting and being a false witness.

>>600252

Oh, this isnt cartoon thread. My bad. Patterns are just so similar with awful thread ruining shitpost by cretins that I get confused sometimes.

Whatever, I dont play vidya asides strategies either.

>>600308

Isn't there an arnold movie where he beats Revelations with a shotgun?

>>599912

>Without FPS, would we have had an Adam Lanza?

His parents met at a first person shooter convention so no.

>>600185

>Obviously you can only cast out demons in the name of Jesus with faith in Him

Yeah and when does Doomguy do that?

>that, say, they find the anti demon rituals of other regions as truly frightening

Yeah good job equivocating casting out demons in the name of Christ with pagan nonsense.

>>600312

End of Days. It was pretty good.

I'll never understand why so many "Christians" here can have their faith shaken by a video game or movie.

>>600226

I don't remember Jesus saying anything about abandoning childish things, but Paul does in 1 Corinthians 13:11

>"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me."

But I don't see how this forbids you from watching cartoons.

>>600438

You miss the point entirely. Its like I can cut down a tree with a gas powered chain saw - the power of casting out demons with faith in Jesus. But I can also do something entirely unrelated, and in every way worse, and in no way as powerful, like burn down the tree - anti demon rituals of heathens.

>Ultraviolent game made to entertain and " d i s t r a c t" (read the proper definition of that word"

>It's christian because u kill demons lol"

No.

No.

Stop. It doesn't work like that.

Stop making every little thing from a trite hobby youhappen to like (anime, video game) ""christian"" because you can't accept that you're liking meaningless things.

I'm not saying DOOM is satanic but it sure as hell isn't christian.

I don't think God really cares all that much about someone playing a video game where you shoot demons as long as they aren't committing a sin of their own like sloth or gluttony by playing it.

>>600377

I would agree it's wrong to listen to such things since they're satanic and quite possibly spiritually dangerous. But there is no way the brain can analyze and read images from waveforms like a computer can. I can't think of any conceivable mechanism that allows you to read them. It would be like asking you to read binary if I shoved a bunch of 1s and 0s in your face.

>>600879

>spiritually dangerous

How? Do the number six endanger your soul whenever there's three in a row?

>>599912

>implying Sandy Hook actually happened

>>600880

Yes, it stimulates imagination.

>>599911

Demons aren't creatures of flesh and blood, they're spirits, you can't shoot spirits.

>>600973

>The unconscious mind sees everything that the conscious mind misses.

Do you have any proof of this?

>>600377

>Images burned into the waveform are subliminal messages in the same way hiding shitposts in EXIF data is subliminal messaging, and you're absolutely retarded if you think either will affect your mind or soul.

>anime poster

I realize that you're a NEET dopamine addict who alternatives between video games and jacking it to hentai, but if you could towel off your sticky knuckles for a second and put the weed pipe down, maybe you'd see how those two things are totally incomparable.

When EXIF data is inserted into an arbitrary image, there is no association between the creative process and that symbol. DOOM is saturated with demonic themes, top to bottom, and the artwork, music, and artifacts all reflect. The musician presumably knows about the waveform embed, and that would affect his entire creative process in a number of predictable ways; e.g. use of the devil's tritone, modulating a half-step down, minor key intonations, etc. We can also presume that more easter eggs are embedded throughout, some perhaps with a primary mode of subconscious exposure rather than a secondary one such as this.

>>600992

>Even though these processes exist well under the surface of conscious awareness they are theorized to exert an impact on behavior. The term was coined by the 18th-century German Romantic philosopher Friedrich Schelling and later introduced into English by the poet and essayist Samuel Taylor Coleridge.

Bynum; Browne; Porter (1981). The Macmillan Dictionary of the History of Science. London. p. 292.

Christopher John Murray, Encyclopedia of the Romantic Era, 1760-1850 (Taylor & Francis, 2004: ISBN 1-57958-422-5), pp. 1001–02.

>>601000

Nobody is arguing that Doom isn't saturated with satanic imagery. It's clearly wrong to put such images into the waveform. But the whole concept of the human mind somehow being able to read and be influenced by formats it is literally incapable of deciphering (inaudible waveforms, reversed lyrics, etc.) is ridiculous and makes opposition to these games sound crazy.

>>601002

So the best argument is Romantic psychology? The same period field of "study" that espoused clearly-debunked concepts like phrenology and physiognomy?

If you expect me or anyone else to reasonably have physical copies of either of those books on hand so I can fact check you, you are mistaken.

>>601008

My original comment never claimed that visual patterns embedded in waveforms are directly consumed by the mind. I'm saying that the game creators are embedding satanic symbols throughout the game. Can you honestly say you trust the game designers and programmers to not assault your unconscious mind, given that behavior? If you found out, in the distant future somehow, that you were affected subconsciously by hours spent absorbing the programming of the game authors, can you really claim that you had no idea that you were treading on razor-thin ice? Would you be blameless?

>>601008

>So the best argument is Romantic psychology?

Okay that was a shit argument, however i know this is true, or else it wouldn't still be in our media today.

I can prove it, just the flickering lights themselves changes the chemistry of the blood turning the person into an altered state, where they're more susceptible to accept information. Here is a long but thorough documentary about one single aspect of mind control.

Here are more examples https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b9j6fJqD-g

>>601015

No, I think I would definitely be guilty in this case. I think you can very much be influenced by imagery and theming, but I don't think this theming needs to be hidden in any way to take effect. The subconscious may pick up details from intuition and whatnot, but it's not going to pick up anything you would need a machine or special equipment to detect.

I played the new doom just a few minutes ago.

After reading this thread I won't anymore.

>>601071

It's an awful doom game anyway.

>>601008

>It's clearly wrong to put such images into the waveform

Why exactly? I've yet to see any evidence that the the number six hundred sixty six or pentagrams must never ever be duplicated.

>>601480

>>601008

Also, the waveform shenanigans are limited to nuDoom which shares none of the previous games' staff. Dismissing an entire franchise because hell has satanic imagery (huge shock, let's ban all christian art depicting hell or demons) and the latest entry hid some shitposts in the waveforms is pretty fucking stupid.

>>600015

Doomguy doesn't get to hell in Doom 1 by teleporting…he dies and goes to hell between E1M8 and E2M1.

If he was a christian, he wasn't very good at it.

>>599911

>Why did Christians dislike the Doom series so much?

Most of the Doomhate was about the violence. The imagery didn't help for people who had never played it too, which would be most adult christians in the early 90s.

Columbine fucked everyone's perception of it too, since Harris was a doom mapper and referenced doom, quake, and duke nukem left and right in his journal.

Honestly, though, informed people didn't care. When I lived with my uncle (a preacher) in the early 2000s, he let me play doom and other Id games since I was older and could handle the violence, and he was one of those anti-pokemon type southern baptists.

>>600012

pretty sure you can defeat demons by shooting them until they die

>>603122

> Shooting something that doesn't have a body

> Killing an immortal

The "demons" of Doom are just regular monsters. It makes for a fun game, but this is not how one fights demons.

>>601480

Pentagrams aren't even satanic, it's a basic geometric shape. The shape has been used to symbolize the five wounds of Christ, for crying out loud.

>>603317

>Are you scared of rock salt

Utterly terrified.

>>603334

>triggered by Christians using a five pointed star

LarPagan detected.

>>603337

Wait till he learn that we used six pointed one longer than Jews