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>>598902

Stick to catholic mass, cousin.

>>598902

what

>>598905

said

>>598902

>What's the process of a Lutheran mass?

If you would like to see a Lutheran service as opposed to actually going to one, you can watch the LCMS daily chapel at Concordia Theological Seminary.

http://www.ctsfw.edu/daily-chapel/

>>598906

Thank you, this is immensely helpful. Just knowing there's a difference between LCMS, WELS, or ELCA is fascinating. And yes, I'm in MN, hi neighbor!

I've been researching local churches, and one has all of their sermons recorded so you can download them, and I was surprised that their sermon from last Sunday was based on the same bible passage as the Catholic mass I went to last Sunday. Deuteronomy chapter 18 verses 15-12. Which is resonating with me in a special way. Obviously every priest is going to have their own interpretations, but it's interesting to note the difference between the message of the Catholic priest, who used this to say we need to go to other countries and help the less fortunate and buy his coffee, versus the Lutheran guy who said a similar message, but to help the sad, lonely, and miserable directly in your immediate life, think of one person you know, and help them, which to me makes more sense from my perspective.

How does a church decide which bible versus to talk about on Sunday? Is it the same between Catholic and Lutheran?

>>598913

Thank you, good idea. I will watch this.

>>598902

>Lutheranism makes more sense to me on paper, it seems reasonable

http://www.protestanterrors.com

>>598919

>every priest is going to have their own interpretation

Spot the heresy

>>598902

What makes you think Lutheranism is more reasonable exactly?

If you are a complete beginner to theology, catholic.com has good, brief responses to many Protestant talking points, calledtocommunion.com is a fantastic resource with some very deep and detailed discussions about Protestant theology. Catholic Encyclopedia on newadvent.org has fantastic articles too, check it out. You should learn about history too, especially about the Reformation and the early Christians. Knowledge of history is one of the most certain ways to become at least Apostolic.

>>598969

Lol you Caths are really out in full force in this thread. Sola Scriptura really triggers the papists to no end.

>>599012

>Sola Scriptura really triggers the papists to no end.

Can you support that with a citation from the King James version of the bible? If not, you're bearing false witness.

>>599014

Can you cite the passage that supports the Roman Catholic Church as the only path to salvation?

>>599014

>says the papist as he gets triggered

They've had some high church renewals going on in Sweden apparently.

https://youtu.be/MiTHGXtmE9U

>>598902

If you can find a traditional lutheran service as opposed to a contemporary one, then it would feel similar to mass. I grew up catholic myself and became lutheran 2 years ago. Most lutheran bodies allow congregations to have leeway with how exactly they structure the liturgy, so some are very low church while others very high church.

Just stay away from the ELCA

Probably not related to this but posting it here since it since the topic of classical and Protestant Christian fusion might be considered on this kind of thread as was mentioned here

https://8ch.net/christian/res/592013.html

I recently found out or (probably heard of them just never really looked into it) of the Mar Thoma Church in India which gives an idea of what the mixing Protestant beliefs and Orthodox customs looks like. They are part of the Anglican communion but preserve West Syriac customs. Upon doing a search on google I found they had at least 1 church in my metro area.

Here is the first part of a 5 part documentary on them.

https://youtu.be/6kBkba7Tr8g

>>598906

>If you're more progressive, attend an ELCA service.

Nevermind the nature of this particular thread. Why would you even suggest this? Maybe he should be less progressive instead?

>>598905

I don't care how big you become, this is cultish behavior. Proverbs 1:10.

>>599014

You're right. I actually grew up going to an ELCA church and didn't realize how much some members of the congregation will just pretend certain doctrines don't exist to mold Christianity to their liberal agenda. Woman pastors and social justice Bible studies. Not everyone is even like that, but anyone who supports abortion should not be allowed to call themselves a Christian as far as I'm concerned.

>>598926

I was just reading through this. It says that Irenaeus referred to Mary as "our most eminent advocate," but didn't give a citation. I looked online and the only citation I could find was "adv. hær., V, 17, P.G. VIII, 1175." I checked chapter 17 of book 5 of Against Heretics and found no such thing.

Am I looking in the wrong place? Could someone help?

>>599016

>>599018

I was joking, newfriends.

>>599016

"I am the way the truth the life, no on gets to the father except through me"

"Tear down this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up".

Jesus said he literally was the temple/church and that you could only attain salvation through the him the church, a church that he built on Peter.

Extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

>>599401

Now let's try to find a single similarity between the church Peter founded and the Roman Catholic Church today other than how both say 'Lord, Lord'

>>598902

Just find another Parish.

>>599259

>I was only pretending to be retarded

People are trying to have a serious discussion here.

>>599041

>I don't care how big you become, this is cultish behavior.

How?

I'm recommending him to stick to a group that isn't even my own.

I've been to a lot of parishes and churches; the good ones are just like good women, quietly floating about waiting to be found. Stay a Catholic, find another parish.

>>598902

Don't listen to the papist larpers OP. Most people are catholics because that's what their grandma was and bla bla bla. You're making the right choice here. Remember, Scripture is all that matters.

>>600424

>sola scriptura is all that matters xD

>scripture was not only delivered by the apostles, but by apostolic successors

>no scripture officially compiled for over a 100 years until after the last Apostle (john) died

>all scripture we have now was given to us by the Catholic Church

>the catholic church is ebil XD

i don't get this meme…it makes no sense.

>>600716

The catholic church was good until they started to invent dogmas, go against the Bible and worship the pope. A reform was needed, and was brought by Luther. Only, the Roman Catholics weren't having any of it and went into heresy overdrive and delved ever deeper into muh dogmas. The day they stop going against the Bible, us protestants will cease to protest and we'll come back into "communion" together.

>>600871

>The catholic church was good until they started to invent dogmas,

If Christ invested the Apostles' with the authority of the Holy Spirit (and He did) and if He told them they had the power to bind and unbind what is on Heaven and Earth (and He did), then the Church has the power to come with definitive doctrinal statements.

>go against the Bible and worship the pope

Nobody worships the Pope. Look up what calumny means.

>A reform was needed, and was brought by Luther.

For instance? Like throwing out the entire Eucharist? A most deadly heresy indeed.

Being against clerical corruption is one thing, defaming the Eucharist is another.

>Only, the Roman Catholics weren't having any of it and went into heresy overdrive and delved ever deeper into muh dogmas. The day they stop going against the Bible, us protestants will cease to protest and we'll come back into "communion" together.

The Catholic Church will live on the to the very Last Day, as Our Lord promised. Meanwhile, your sects will rise and fall without end, and there is no end, because none of you have any real beginning, because you are not apart of the authentic Church. You are Christian, but you are not in communion with the actual Church.

May your eyes be opened.

>>601157

and by throwing out the Eucharist, I mean throwing out the understanding that it is the explicit Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ.

none of this "symbolic" nonsense.

Saged and reported for tits

Anon, you are still retarded. Dont complain about the state of the mass when you embrace a perverse theatre were random people play with cookies.

There are no lutheran mass. You cant take a random man, dress him up, make him say some words and call it a mass

>>598902

>But I am afraid I will stick out like a sore thumb because I don't know the subtle differences in the rituals. What's the process of a Lutheran mass?

I can blend as a catholic using what I know of Lutheran masses + knowing that catholics say "and with your spirit" instead of "and also with you".

A liturgical service in a lutheran church is similar enough to a catholic mass that you'll be able to get it pretty easy. Also, most lutheran churches have a bulletin that goes over the order of service, contains listings of the non-hymn songs, responsorials, etc, used in the service.

You'll stick out more because you're a guest, not because you're catholic. This gets picked up on every time I go to church at other lutheran churches when I travel, and I'm lutheran, so it doesn't matter how well you know the order of service.

Note that even liturgical services can be somewhat casual, and some churches have non-liturgical services too that are completely different, usually with more modern music, etc (couldn't tell you much more about them – don't like'em, so I don't attend them).

>>598919

>How does a church decide which bible versus to talk about on Sunday? Is it the same between Catholic and Lutheran?

Lutherans use the revised common lectionary, which is basically a protestantized version of the roman missal. The verses can and do line up sometimes, but not always, especially on catholic/protestant specific holidays. It's also not required to use a lectionary, so pastors sometimes choose the readings based on what they want/need to teach rather than simply what the lectionary says.

>>601158

That wasn't Luther. That was Zwingli

>>601157

> For instance? Like throwing out the entire Eucharist? A most deadly heresy indeed.

Being against clerical corruption is one thing, defaming the Eucharist is another.

>>601158

> and by throwing out the Eucharist, I mean throwing out the understanding that it is the explicit Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ. none of this "symbolic" nonsense.

Did Luther ever argue that Christ wasn’t present in the Eucharist? Certainly he didn’t believe in transubstantiation, but you would have to agree that it is possible to believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist without believing in transubstantiation.

>>601158

>>603107

He "changed" or "reinterpreted" the Eucharist to being consubstantiation. He had a fight with Zwingli and repeated over and over "Hoc est enim corpus meum." Zwingli wouldn't change his mind on it being only symbolically, rather than actually/literally.

What Luther meant by consubstantiation is that Christ is with, under, and through the bread and wine and not transubstantiated into the bread and wine. Luther had a problem with the Catholic interpretation that Jesus' crucifixion is played out every single Mass. Christ only had to be crucified once. And once for all.

>>603225

And so, Luther is wrong. For it is re-presented as the most worthy sacrifice there is, each and every Sunday, just as it was since Christ appeared to the Apostles.

>>603107

>Certainly he didn’t believe in transubstantiation, but you would have to agree that it is possible to believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist without believing in transubstantiation.

So, did Christ lie when He said the bread is my body, and the chalice is my blood?

>>603106

my bad. still not a really great point in Luther's favor tho

>>603228

> So, did Christ lie when He said the bread is my body, and the chalice is my blood?

Do you think anyone is arguing that? The only argument is over exactly how literal Christ was being. I wish Cathodox would cease with this “Why don’t you believe Christ” and “Why don’t you take his words literally” simplistic arguments. The idea that everything Christ said was easy to understand and straightforward is obviously untrue, and any honest Cathodox would acknowledge that. I would also note that when you quoted me, you seemed to ignore what I actually said in the quote. My point was that it is possible to believe that Christ is really present in the Eucharist, but also that transubstatiation is not what occurs. Do you agree with that, or do you believe that real presence of Christ = transubstantiation?