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No. Hes a happa and most of his fans are teens with daddy issues. Hes literally making thousands just for being le based professor vs sjws

He's a gnostic heretic and people only like him because he tells them to make their beds

>>596784

>>596783

This. He's a fucking Jungian. He's ironically Christian, at best.

>>596783

>Hes a happa

As if that meant anything lol

>>596783

>>596784

>>596786

Read the thread completly next time. OP is with you

>>596786

>fucking Jungian

pls justify this statement. He strikes me as an evolutionary psychologist more than some fluffy Jungian

because he's a jungian gnostic not a Christian

He reminds me of William Lane Craig in his speaking and argumentation. He's like the poor man's version, given his utilitarianism rather than truth seeking.

Jordan Peterson is getting somewhere. He makes coherent points about everything he says and has a clear line of logic, figuring out his understandings and seeing why they're wrong or right is a nice mental game that give you a deeper insight into whatever it is you're picking apart.

>>596781

His heart is in the right place. He's successful in tackling false idols and liars.

>>596918

>Also jp is an intellectual light weight.

This. Also, not a Christian, so he doesn't belong here. He's shit.

>>596932

>getting somewhere

all he is getting to is the catering of gen-z and late millenials intellectually immature retards

well at least he is educating people for "free" and opens up the fire in people to know things

>>598304

His core audience is current/former atheists who have never been to a proper church.

<Wow, I never knew the Bible stories had such deep meaning!

<Building an Ark means preparing for the future!

>haha feminism btfo

What does this philosopher/psychologist/professor have to do with Christianity?

>>602105

He has a lecture series on youtube called "The Psychological Significant of the Biblical Stories"

Regardless of whether or not you think hes promoting authentic Christianity, it's a pretty big deal that an analysis of the Bible stories can get hundreds of thousands of views.

>>596803

I've actually read jung and peterson. He uses developmental psychology from piaget and other sources to back his jung fixation.

>>596918

also this, read primary sources

He is not a Christian, as we would define the term. His answer to that question is different each time when he's asked directly, but when people try to nail him down on the specifics it's clear he's not. He believes there is great symbolic meaning in the Bible, and that Jesus was also a real person. He seems open to the possibility that Jesus performed miracles but is ambiguous about it. Possibly because he's worried it would affect his academic street cred.

He's a decent guy, and is fighting the worst ideas prevalent nowadays. And also advocating a lot of good things. Getting 'our people' (imageboard users) to try to improve themselves and bring order to their lives instead of remaining chaos-based NEET trolls. He is also helping some fedora types to see the value in religion, the Bible, and Christ. Even though he addresses these things mainly as symbols, I believe many of his followers have started taking these things seriously and probably a number of them have become Christians as a result.

I've never heard that he's a hapa, he looks white to me. But if that is true, that's a strike against the supreme gentleman meme. He is successful, intelligent, socially well-adjusted and charismatic.

So appreciate him as an asset against bad ideologies, and pray for him to accept a literal understanding of Christianity.

>>602112

Joseph Campbell already did it, as for the intelligent part hes 40 lmao and of course he does well on his field but outside of it hes a retard. He cant even debate David Benatar. He doesnt have good arguments against anti-natalism considering this will be the new vegan sjw argument (((they))) will use.

As for the good asset against bad idelogies, fucking lol the only people he argues against "the bad ideologies" are college kids who dont know any better. Ive yet to see him debate Slavoj Zizek and Judith Butler.

If you dont know them, they are the people responsible for these bad ideoligies you speak of.

He also ignores the J.Q

The jew question

Hes also a centrist and he pulls people from the right to the left

Now i could forgive this if hes just some quasi youtuber but he earns thousands just for being the father figure of these neets with daddy issues.

Fuck him

>>602112

for the charismatic part, his voice is pathetic. It cracks everytime but no one really cares because muh based professor who fights sjws

I'm actually left scratching my head on whether or not he's a Christian. He believes in Christ in various senses. Is there a singular right sense to do so? I don't really know. I feel like the answer is no, but I can't really be confident in it, either. He certainly behaves more like a Christian than most of the Christians I've ever met. I'll be honest: I like him in spite of some of the stuff he says driving me up the wall. I want to believe he'll make it to heaven, but I'm not comfortable with his odds as of yet.

I personally have benefitted a ton from him. He puts into cogent terms philosophical and sociological ideas and maladies that have dogged me for my entire life. His memetics are good too, condensing down an idea like "create an environment in which the mindset you desire is impressed upon you so you are constantly drawn back to that functional highpoint" to "clean your room". I'm completely wiped out after a huge day at work and I'm fumbling to articulate just how helpful he's been to someone who grew up in a highly pathological family. He's done more to sort me out with videos over the internet than years of ineffectual therapy in person, because he breaks down issues into actionable concepts. His stuff on oedipal mothers is really good if you grew up in a controlling, smothering household. Which I suspect is the case for a lot of Anons in general, but perhaps particularly dense in Christian communities.

I don't get why some people here reject the concept of the Jungian shadow, personally. It's a really helpful abstraction and tool to build confidence in the self, learning to be everything you're created to be. One thing that stuck with me is he at one point talked about the verse, "the meek shall inherit the Earth", and it struck him as wrong. He went back to the original text and discovered it had been mistranslated; the word used there isn't meek like we know it. It's more like steadfast, or tempered. The idea is that people who have the capacity for action but are wise in their application will inherit the Earth.

I wouldn't take him as a religious authority, but he's working downright magic on the people I know in real life. It's like watching someone pour acid over the postmodernist ennui we all grew up in.

Also, just so you all know, /leftypol/ has been shilling against him nonstop on every board for the past couple weeks because he teaches things like transcendent good, community, family, faith, personal responsibility, human nature, the veracity of IQ, etc. He's a veritable spook factory. Basically a traditionalist.

Here's a quick list of their talking points.

>He makes money on his work, which is bad. (Look for "Muh $10 personality test". Ignores that he puts all his college course lectures up on YouTube for free, doesn't even put ads on them)

>"E-Celeb" (PhD, professor, debates in legal capacity at hearings, does research with grad students, etc.)

>He's starting a cult. (Little to no explanation of how this is the case.)

>He doesn't actually teach anyone anything. (?)

>He just regurgitates other writers (Apparently sourcing your material is dishonest.)

Specific to /pol/.

>He's a Zionist

>He's a gatekeeper that wants to turn people away from totalitarian ideologies (The only true item on this list.)

Lads he's a snake oils salesman. He is not a closet Christian, not a metaphorical Christian, not any kind of Christian. He is vague about it to keep dumb fucks coming back. If he laid everything down, he would loose 90% of his followers. If he dtays intentionally vague, he can milk more money

He's obviously not a Christian in any sense, but Western society is maybe one generation or less away from mass murder material marxism. If Daddy Kermit the Gnostic is going to pull the reprobates, the people who are beyond our reach, away from that cliff's edge, even with lies, well.. I'm glad he's here, doing his thang. There will undoubtedly be a minority of people he reaches who seek further and stumble upon the gospel.

>>602223

oh another e-son defending his e-dad

he makes money because he "helps" buckos like you clean your rooms. Damn what a fucking beacon of knowledge this guy is.

>He makes money on his work, which is bad. (Look for "Muh $10 personality test". Ignores that he puts all his college course lectures up on YouTube for free, doesn't even put ads on them)

you dont needs ads when you make like half a million from the donations of numales

>"E-Celeb" (PhD, professor, debates in legal capacity at hearings, does research with grad students, etc.)

face it hes a hyped almost alt-lite eceleb that got famous from debating le sjws from a youtube recommendation so he definitely an e-celeb. Not necessarily a bad thing except he doesnt deserve the half-million he gets from manchilds.

>>He just regurgitates other writers (Apparently sourcing your material is dishonest.)

nothing wrong with that but hes not the first or the last to say what all he says. By definition hes an eceleb in a sense he doesnt tell anyone anything genuinely new.

>He's a gatekeeper that wants to turn people away from totalitarian ideologies (The only true item on this list.)

And this is wrong?

this is not all of it he also brushes off the kike question.

Hes on a level with stefan molyneux and Joe rogan, all e-celebs getting rich from "inspiring" and "helping" people to be themselves :^)

>>602223

No. He is not a Christian. He does not believe Christ rose from the dead. At best he is a gnostic "spiritualist", he is just concerned with hidden meanings of the Bible or the teachings of Jesus.

>>602270

>this is exactly what im talking about

No shit but you didn't really addressed it because you are the spineless shit-slinger here faggot

>I don't want to know what's in the soul twisted enough to mock people for flocking to the first real source of masculine values they've ever been exposed to in their lives in an era of mass moral decay, epidemic level intra-family alienation, and postmodernist anything-goes childrearing.

fuck him he deserved to be mocked just like you do BUCKO

>And yet he charges literally nothing for any of his services except for the personality test, the money towards which isn't even exclusively his. It was developed with a team of grad students. And this has been the case for years and years before he ever became famous. He offers absolutely nothing for donating to his Patreon; absolutely nil is behind a paywall. They are, as you accidentally pointed out, donations from people that want to support him.

+1 liked,shared and self-improved

he didnt deserve those shit but neckbeards would argue otherwise anyways because he helps you to clean to your room

>muh its not e-celeb because i say so

the reason why i mock people like you is because this is at the level of teen girl self-improvement you know the type of "nirvana saved muh lyfe ;(" crowd. This is no different.

Youd find inspiration from a piece of rock because you look for it, you really just doesn't have to call it more than what it is, a piece of rock.

>>Moly, Rogan, MUH E-CELEEEEEEEEEBS

Funny how you neglected to mention any left wing e-celebs there.

i know this faggot tranny on youtube and im glad i forgot its name. I just pretend they dont exist because they took this shit show to another level i dont want to see.

>Way to confirm you've never even bothered to watch his source material on these topics, because if you had, you'd know that his position on self-improvement is not a happy and joyful one you're supposed to feel good and inspired during. And if someone feels inspired by him, why the fuck shouldn't they? He's teaching things nobody else is in the public eye, and hasn't for years. Maybe decades.

fuck off everything he teaches is already pretty common in academic circles. Be inspired by him but i dong give a fuck. As i said you're "inspiration" comes from a hack who cant even say hes a Christian because he might loose a few shekels if he does.

Some people get inspired at the black veil brides too yknow so get inspired all you want from shitty people like steve jobs, ellon musks because you all are fucking faggots whod get teary eyed at everything

Hes a great psychologist though ill give him that. But thats all he is a person who tells everyone things will get better. Not an honest man, not a man with a intellectual honesty, not a man who can debate properly and surely not a man who fights (((them))).

There are people out there who actually gives this kike looking canadian large money and all he has too do is gay psycho therapy sessions for betas lmao

The only good thing about him is lectures on psychology nothing more.

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>>602270

when i say e celeb this automatically means internet celebrities and we know celebrities are politicians there for the money and views. They will say they are Christians or Atheist depending on the crowds opinion on it.

Again id like too see him debate slavoj zizek and that cunt Judith butler. Google it because i know you never heard of them before.

>>602270

>He doesn't brush it off. He was unable to answer in a catch 22 situation and has been delivered by hand reading material that will no longer give him any excuses outside of self-preservation.

>Well see

kek

http://mikhailapeterson.com/2017/09/20/jordan-petersons-diet/

his daughter btw, kekking again

>>602109

He only regards the Bible for civilisational utility, for possessing narrative characteristics that he interprets through the lenses of mythology and Jungianism. He does not speak with the firm belief a Christian does.

Wouldn't a Christian just say "I am a Christian"? He only states that he is "religious" and that he "acts as if God exists" without committing to just saying yes or no. Maybe being vague keeps his appeal widest without rocking the boat too much, ambiguity keeps people interested so he's clearly bought into the dark arts of persuasion and marketing, not to mention the number of youtube accounts he's got shilling for him.

I think he likes the attention. He spent decades in classrooms, writing papers, writing some hodgepodge of a book and nobody paid much attention to him. All of a sudden the anti-SJW crowd comes along and suddenly he stands for something and is a principled man of some sort.

He likes the rhetoric, he likes putting on suspenders and rolling up his sleeves like some kind of paternal guy. He acts like a preacher, but the only pulpit is some secular stage, and the only object of worship is him. Will he be the guy that saves Western civilisation from its current threats? No, but he acts like it.

For some reason his defenders think his detractors are leftypol SJWs

, but many are further right than Peterson and his fans.

>>602292

What point are you trying to make? You just come off as someone who hates Peterson. You aren't providing valid reasons, just buzzwords and mockery.

Bump. I know he doesn't believe in Christianity but if he's still convinced that he should fight for it anyway thats even more of a reason to promote him to the secular public.

His relationship with Christ is up for debate but in an environment that is unbelievably caustic, (((modern))), and worldly he is a voice of reason. Lots of /leftypol/ shills ITT it looks like.

>>602544

read between the lines BUCKO

>>602758

I'm autistic I can't do that.

>>602763

well just clean your room and donate to his patreon

>>596781

He's the quintessential archetype of the professor who makes a living applying Jungian and sociopolitical concepts to Disney cartoons in university classes. There was a comic aabout that once, showing how the process of becoming a college teach is basically about ruining your dreams and finding new ways to apply politics and philosophy to well known media before a class

Check out what this idiot has to say about the Noah account. You can tell the guy never actually read Scripture, and if he did he read it with one eye closed and the other occasionally glancing over at an applied philosophy textbook

What's upsetting most of all is that he's the most watered down, intellectually hypocritical and spiritually retarded knock-off of a presuppositionalist.

Kids today think he's smart because they either haven't heard of or don't care to check out Van Til or Greg Bahnsen - mainly because they're genuine Christians and don't have the funny voice with the meme videos

>>596784

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/01/dr-jordan-peterson-gateway-drug-christianity-just-highbrow-joel-osteen/

This is my biggest problem with Dr. Peterson. Although he's very intelligent, dislikes atheism, and I enjoy his Bible videos, his refusal to say whether or not he believes in God is very troubling. I'm not even sure if he believes any parts of the Bible are historical accounts.

>>602223

>He believes in Christ in various senses

Nah, that's where you're mislead, he really doesn't. He says nice things about Christianity, he is in favour of religion as a cultural and societal support, even to the point of necessity, in his opinion, but on the actual details about God he is FAR more vague and ambivalent, to the point that, in one interview, he quite unequivocally says he's not a Christian in the fullest sense.

Meanwhile, there are plenty of non-Christians who have been beneficial to people, so he's in good company. Whether he goes the full monty and finally surrenders all to Christ is anyone's guess.

>He went back to the original text and discovered it had been mistranslated; the word used there isn't meek like we know it. It's more like steadfast, or tempered

Not … sure he's hit the nail on the head … The best explanation I've read is below: a horse that humbly works with all his skill and strength under his master's guidance. And inwards calm acceptance of gods will

< "This difficult-to-translate root (pra-) means more than "meek." Biblical meekness is not weakness but rather refers to exercising God's strength under His control – i.e. demonstrating power without undue harshness."

< "the necessary balance of exercising power and avoiding harshness."

< "A War Horse would be "praus", but in English it would not make much sense to call one meek or gentle. It's not a meek horse, it is a horse that humbly works with all his skill and strength under his master's guidance. A lot of what I am reading is saying it denotes an inwards calm acceptance of gods will. In fact one of the sources I am reading says that the Greeks used a completely different word to denote physical gentleness, so praus definitely did not mean physical meekness."

< https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/2/what-does-meek-mean-in-matthew-55

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>>596781

Playing devil's advocate, I'd say his personal "position" or belief is not the question at hand. He is clear about his intention to maintain his public character as being that of a clinical psychologist.

Along the lines of what >>602240 said, the fact that he does refuse to speak to whether or not he is a Christian give him credence to agnostics, fence-sitters and other lost souls. I know that when I was a non-believer, anyone who professed to be a Christian I immediately viewed as having an insurmountable bias.

On the other hand, facts are facts regardless. I will say that he is a force for Good or at least that is my early impression.

Also, he does present an interesting perspective in his bible series which really does help to help think about what the inspired authors of the bible were trying to convey. He is far from a genius but he does help to fill the cultural vacuum left by sodomites and self-professed Christians who worship the bible but don't know what its authors were trying to convey. Do you know what I mean?

>>607647

We don't need any """based""" agnostics to further muddle the waters, we need more godly men who believe loud and clear

>>607652

Would you rather a Logos-leaning agnostic or an anti-Logos-leaning agnostic?

He is helping diffuse hatred of God which is rampant.

>>607655

>Would you rather a Logos-leaning agnostic or an anti-Logos-leaning agnostic?

I'd rather a Christian.

His hesitation is off-putting, and I get that for many, especially in the public eye to have to nail your colours to the mast, but it's not good enough. The fact that he is "logos-leaning" but "agnostic" means he is essrntially anti-logos, since he doesn't believe in it enough.

In this he reminds me a bit of Simone Weil, who was pretty much a Catholic in everything but baptism (the odd gnostic-lite idea aside), and due to her intellectual pride would never submit to baptism because she feared being "labeled" and didn't like what she called "church nationalists".

>He is helping diffuse hatred of God which is rampant.

Hatred of God doesn't just consist in openly offending Him with insults, it also consists of knowing what He asks of us, but still not doing it, or paying lip-service to it. In a word, sin.

If he gets more people into the faith, fine, but I don't really think he is helping a tremendous deal. All he seems to be doing is making people think Christianity is more reasonable than they had supposed, not that it's true.

>>607670

>I'd rather a Christian.

I would too, but the culture is decidedly anti-Christian. In such a culture, I prefer a Logos-leaning agnostic to teach atheists and agnostics what they won't learn from Christ and his Church.

You have a point, and I do agree that he is most likely either too arrogant/prideful to commit to baptism or he is afraid of reprisal from his colleagues. Nevertheless, that's a personal battle that we should instruct him in whenever we can.

Again, playing devil's advocate, I would say that for all we know, he refuses to say whether he is a Christian for the primary purpose of winning souls for Christ, and perhaps he thinks he can lead more people to our Lord in that way. Perhaps not.

What I like is that secularists will listen to him. (They won't listen to le stoopid Christians.) Perhaps in discovering that Christianity is more reasonable, they will then discover that it is in fact true. That is if they are seeking with an honest heart and mind.

>>607682

>They won't listen to le stoopid Christians

I don't know if the notion of gradual conversion through gnostic exploration is realistic, or historically instantiated. I just want the reprobates to learn the rivers of blood which flow from Communistic philosophies. If I wanted to convert them to Christianity, I would read to them from the Bible, try to live as a good Christian example, and trust that the Holy Spirit would do the rest.

JP stated in an interview that many of his followers have begun to identify themselves as "atheistic christians". No that JP is providing spiritually-sterile interpretations of Bible stories, it seems to have further increased the confidence in atheism, now with natural Christian flavor!

>>607684

>JP stated in an interview that many of his followers have begun to identify themselves as "atheistic christians". No that JP is providing spiritually-sterile interpretations of Bible stories, it seems to have further increased the confidence in atheism, now with natural Christian flavor!

Now that I think about it, there is something a little unsettling about someone preaching the bible without the good news…

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>>607670

Then again, he seems to be genuinely discerning his faith here…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIB05YeMiW8

(This is the only video I've watched where he talks like this)

>>607682

>playing devil's advocate, I would say that for all we know, he refuses to say whether he is a Christian for the primary purpose of winning souls for Christ, and perhaps he thinks he can lead more people to our Lord in that way. Perhaps not.

I'm not overly familiar with him (not read his book or watched his lectures for e.g.) but Ive seen a few vids/interviews with him where he repeatedly emphasises that without doubt the most important thing to do in life and for the good of humanity is to be 100% honest 100% of the time, no exceptions. Taking him at his word, then (which I don't have any reason not to) the suggestion he's claiming to be agnostic regarding the ressurection (and so is not a Christian depsite his immediate answer in vid >>607973) I would say means he emphatically is not a closet Christian remaining in the closet to win over other non-Christians. I don't see how any genuine Christian could bring themselves pursue this strategy with the foundational principle of truth that Christianity is based on.

>>608911

>(and so is not a Christian depsite his immediate answer in vid >>607973)

to add: which is a hilarious answer considering the rest of the vid

>>608959

based xD praise kek

#kekistani

Does anyone here have any ideas on ways to minister to my friend who is a Jordan Peterson follower? He has begun to accept the wisdom of the Bible, but not Jesus. I feel like he is so close and yet so far to being converted, and at a tipping point where he could go either way. To be entirely honest it has me scared to make a move, so I have been praying for courage.

I know this isn't the prayer request thread, but any extra prayers for my friend would be immensely appreciated.

I've never heard someone talk so much without saying a single thing.

Everytime he talks about religion, he flip flops and remains vague so much every second word is "although"

>>609040

You can say the same about anything. I think he's hurting Christian chances of converting people than he is helping.

>>611964

>You can say the same about anything.

That may be true, but it doesn't affect my point. Sometimes it takes someone from the outside to get someone to appreciate something on the inside. I know from experience.

>I think he's hurting Christian chances of converting people than he is helping.

Hm? How so?

>>596781

I haven't seen any of Peterson's stuff, but I have skimmed some articles about him.

Judging by the things they say about him and who is doing the reporting (NRx theorists) I worry that he may be making people traditionalists but not Christians.

T. Monarchist

>>612291

>I worry that he may be making people traditionalists but not Christians

Not even. He's making people good goyim neocons, at "best." He's a philosemite, jadaizer, and a complete fraud.

>>612308

Some trads doubt that he's traditional at all apparently.

http://thermidormag.com/modern-all-too-modern-jordan-b-petersons-empty-dream/