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273a0b No.595956

Why does Paul say men shouldn't have long hair if Jesus is always depicted as having long hair? Where did that depiction come from?

c1a58e No.595958

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>Why does Paul say men shouldn't have long hair if Jesus is always depicted as having long hair?

Because Jesus didn't have long hair

>Where did that depiction come from?

Faggy renaissance era painters


d56d0b No.595959

>>595956

>>595958

Shoulder length hair isn't long.


689d4e No.595961

File: aa08f9b7431b5fb⋯.jpg (77.19 KB, 350x534, 175:267, Jesus.jpg)

>>595958

>renaissance era


a380f0 No.595963

datamine mine beautiful long hair


f344dc No.595964

>>595956

>Why does Paul say men shouldn't have long hair

Because men shouldn't have long hair

>if Jesus is always depicted as having long hair?

The depictions were painted by fags hired by the Catholic church, which has never cared much for what the Bible actually says.

(YIKES)

074be9 No.595965

>>595956

>Why does Paul say men shouldn't have long hair

Because girls have long hair

>if Jesus is always depicted as having long hair?

Long hair in the ancient times was considered at least back-length


e54b47 No.595966

File: 75d20e2fc3498a1⋯.png (212.51 KB, 680x655, 136:131, smugcrusader.png)

>>595958

>"those paintings aren't real"

>"they're 1500 years after Christ!"

I can think of something else that was 1500 years after Christ.


136849 No.595969

>>595956

Didn't Paul say not to decorate our hair and such? Length is really irrelevant. Also, the word long is a matter of subjectivity.


cd09c1 No.595970

File: e1aaee096d53218⋯.png (2.74 KB, 211x239, 211:239, images.png)

>>595958

>Byzantine mosaics are now "Renaissance era paintings"


ebe97f No.595971

Because your definition of "long" is out of whack.


455ee3 No.595972

File: bc658488e6e6ba3⋯.jpg (368.46 KB, 1100x1588, 275:397, Manoppello_and_Turin_shrou….jpg)

Because long hair starts after shoulders.

And it comes from Christ face itself


51ba82 No.595973

>>595956

It's a confusion between nazarite and nazarene.

>>595972

solved

From wikipedia.

The practice of a nazirite vow is part of the ambiguity of the Greek term "Nazarene"[36] that appears in the New Testament; the sacrifice of a lamb and the offering of bread does suggest a relationship with Christian symbolism (then again, these are the two most frequent offerings prescribed in Leviticus, so no definitive conclusions can be drawn). While a saying in (Matthew 11:18–19 and Luke 7:33–35) attributed to Jesus makes it doubtful that he, reported to be "a winebibber", was a nazirite during his ministry, the verse ends with the curious statement, "But wisdom is justified of all her children". The advocation of the ritual consumption of wine as part of the Passover, the tevilah in Mark 14:22–25 indicated he kept this aspect of the nazirite vow when Jesus said, "Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God." The ritual with which Jesus commenced his ministry (recorded via Greek as "Baptism") and his vow in Mark 14:25 and Luke 22:15–18 at the end of his ministry, do respectively reflect the final and initial steps (purification by immersion in water and abstaining from wine) inherent in a Nazirite vow. These passages may indicate that Jesus intended to identify himself as a Nazirite ("not drinking the fruit of vine") before his crucifixion.[37]

Luke the Evangelist clearly was aware that wine was forbidden in this practice, for the angel (Luke 1:13–15) that announces the birth of John the Baptist foretells that "he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb", in other words, a nazirite from birth, the implication being that John had taken a lifelong nazirite vow.[38]

Acts of the Apostles is also attributed to Luke (see Luke-Acts) and in Acts 18:18 it is reported that the apostle Paul cut off his hair "because of a vow he had taken".[39] From Acts 21:23-24Acts we learn that the early Jewish Christians occasionally took the temporary Nazarite vow, and it is probable that the vow of St. Paul mentioned in Acts 18:18, was of a similar nature, although the shaving of his head in Cenchrea, outside of Palestine, was not in conformity with the rules laid down in the sixth chapter of Numbers, nor with the interpretation of them by the Rabbinical schools of that era.[40] If we are to believe the legend of Hegesippus quoted by Eusebius,[41] James, brother of Jesus, Bishop of Jerusalem, was a Nazarite, and performed with rigorous exactness all the practices enjoined by that rule of life. In Acts 21:20–24 Paul was advised to counter the claims made by some Judaizers (that he encouraged a revolt against the Mosaic Law). He showed the "believers there" (believers in Jesus, i.e. the Jewish Christians) in Jerusalem otherwise by purifying himself and accompanying four men to the temple who had taken nazaritic vows[42] (so as to refute the naysayers).[43]

This stratagem only delayed the inevitable mob assault on him. This event brought about the accusation[citation needed] in Acts 24:5–18 that Paul was the "ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes", and thus provides further verification that the term Nazarene was a mistranslation of the term Nazirite.[citation needed] In any case, the relationship of Paul of Tarsus and Judaism is still disputed.

What is curious is that Luke does not here mention the apostle James the Just as taking nazirite vows, although later Christian historians (e.g. Epiphanius Panarion 29.4) believed he had, and the vow of a nazirite would explain the asceticism Eusebius of Caesarea ascribed to James,[44] a claim that gave James the title "James the Just"


ddf44e No.595974

>>595956

5 bucks Paul was balding, bearded, poor eyesight, drank soy milk imported from the far east and had a stone blog.


c1a58e No.595988

>>595961

I'm talking more about the catholic ones but that one's still like 500 AD


71882c No.595990

File: 54b3c15751983fc⋯.jpg (43.08 KB, 330x579, 110:193, corinth 627-587 BC.jpg)

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>>595969

>the word long is a matter of subjectivity

but don't we know who he was talking to in the epistle where this is discussed?

can't we glean what their subjective standards for appropriate hair length for men would be based on archaeological evidence?


bdd8f3 No.595997

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>>595956

I was under the impression that Paul was warning men to not trick other men into thinking they were women, as many cultures consider long hair on men to be a masculine trait. If your hair's long for the purpose of gay shit, then yeah, it would be wrong. If it's just long because of cultural reason/metalhead/ascetic monk living on a pillar for decades without a barber/you're a 1800's Chinese coolie then I don't think Jesus would care and neither would Paul.


002cfa No.595999

>>595988

youre retarded kid lol


4955ba No.596000

File: 9bbfd1ad1795d2e⋯.png (520.25 KB, 675x501, 225:167, untitled.png)

>>595958

>>595988

>when you get BTFO so hard you turn off your Protestant flag


d7826a No.596004

back in that time period, it was believed that hair was a sex organ. The thinking of the time was that the woman's hair was a tube system that sucked semen from the vagina up. They believed longer hair would produce a more fertile woman and that shorter hair could lead to infertility, since there wasn't as much suction. Conversely, it was believed that if a man had long hair, the hair would have a suction effect on retaining his semen, making him less able to produce his seed. This may be why Paul warned women to cover their heads so that they don't tempt the angels (a possible reference to the sin of the watchers).

check this podcast out. He goes over academic published work as supporting evidence.

http://www.nakedbiblepodcast.com/naked-bible-86-the-head-covering-of-1-corinthians-1113-15/


514449 No.596019

>>595956

Long hair was a sign of royalty. Short hair was a sign of peasantry. St Paul is telling you to humble yourself.


514449 No.596022

>>596019

Meanwhile, the King of all creation actually is royalty.


9f2604 No.596029

>>596004

Why do people think are ancestors were retarded


07a726 No.596031

>>595966

Checked and kek'd.


a380f0 No.596032

>>596029

>Why do people think are ancestors were retarded

some irony in this post


edde33 No.596034

>>596029

>are

Because they're descendants are retarded :^)


7894b9 No.596041

>>596029

not sure if serious

The ancient chinese thought that ingesting mercury (quick silver) was benifical to ones health

during the plague, people believed smelling sweet smells from flowers would prevent the plague.

People once believed that if a suspected witch could float with objects tieing them down in water, they were indeed witches. If they didn't float, lol whoops oh well guess they weren't a witch

I probably botched these examples, but you get the point. even within the last century medicine has radically changed. People during the 21st century thought labotomys would heal the mentally ill and though making a woman orgasm would solve woman hysteria (yeah, if I recall correctly, doctors would actually masturbate women as a treatment.) So yeah, it's not that ancestors where retarded, they just didn't have the science down yet.


7894b9 No.596042

>>596041

*thought


c1a58e No.596045

>>596000

1. Baptists aren't protestant

2. It's because I deleted my history so it deletes my flag for some reason. Only on my phone though


51ba82 No.596046

>>596029

my ancestors are smiling at me imperial


07a726 No.596050

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91f7fb No.596052

>>596041

causing a woman to orgasm does stop her from being hysterical.

you'll find out. you can either slap her, or throw her down and do otherwise.


c1a58e No.596064

>>596050

Probably only a few billion at best actually are in Heaven though


15c6c9 No.596096

>>596041

>they didn't know what they were talking about in those days

the only thing that troubles me about this hypothesis is that, if I understand it correctly, the passage isn't incidental, or being merely descriptive. It's setting out proper ettiquette and gender norms for the people of God, which as we know and understand are hugely important as God has designed us to be and function in a certain way and we should best conform to that way as much as we can.

However on the basis that Paul advised(commanded?) this of believers on this false knowledge brings into question the necessity of adhering to it.

It's not like the passage was not merely describing something, like I said it was a command, or at least a judgement on people who do not hold to this strong advice. Apparently on the basis of false information. Doesn't this call into question the authority of scripture?


15c6c9 No.596101

>>595973

I just read this and I didn't get it (too much info in there), can I get a TL;DR?


6e8813 No.596146

>>596004

Spiciest meme I've seen all day.


c0a094 No.596153

>>596041

Even with those things in mind, their descendents today are more retarded. Their descendents post on facebook and twitter—or worse—weeb image sharing websites. None of them would live to see next week if the water stopped flowing through the magic dispensing tube.


a6620c No.596184


2306d8 No.596266

>>596096

I see your point, however I was merely linking to academic discussion on the matter. There is a lot of discussion that can come out of these ideas, but I wouldn't be quick to say that it shakes or diminishes the concept of inerrancy.


c1dc3f No.596515

>>596096

No, it doesn't call scriptural veracity into question, but it should be eye-opening, since scripture was indeed written by men and for various audiences 2k years ago, many of which were drastically different culturally than ours are today. When reading scripture, we must account for who the speaker and audience are. In this case, it may be that Paul, being hebrew, may have taken such things for granted as part of the culture. So we should look for the deeper meaning, which is humility. There are distinct genres and contexts in scripture, and we must account for that when reading.


b60c4c No.596537

>>596041

Fake news.


15c6c9 No.596540

File: f81d3d802e0ddee⋯.jpg (49.11 KB, 700x527, 700:527, a7Q9PpPG_700w_0.jpg)

>>596515

safe m8


c8583d No.597102

>>595956

He meant hair that was so long that it would wrap around your legs and trip you in battle. Also Afro type hair was seen as being "suspicious" as you could easily hide daggers in your hair. Roman bodyguards were forbidden from having Afros, in case they might become assassins.


cc47c5 No.597120

File: c2c7f2114475f17⋯.jpg (361.82 KB, 940x426, 470:213, bowersock_1-042414.jpg)

File: 6f7cb18ea7c9b04⋯.jpg (147.15 KB, 455x727, 455:727, Moses_bush.jpg)

File: fc03cdbc287ee18⋯.jpg (319.73 KB, 800x350, 16:7, 6292641b0ac0b13dd2cb473623….jpg)

File: 5142ff975b7e5aa⋯.jpg (68.4 KB, 852x354, 142:59, Dura-ezekiel-center.jpg)

The best depictions of Jews commissioned by Jews themselves comes from near the time of the Herodian dynasty and the Jewish-Roman wars in Dura-Europos, Syria.

Aside from the questionability of the Turin shroud there isn't really anything to support the notion of Jesus' appearance being like the popularly depicted one.

When Christianity first spread to Rome they depicted him all sorts of ways as a beardless youth with short hair and longer hair and as an epithet of the good shepherd probably derived from depictions of Dionysus. It's no surprise that after the endorsement of Christianity by the still notably pagan Constantine and the Roman Empire that they simply applied their popular motifs to the depictions of the new imperial god like pagans are known to have done in the past with numerous entities.

To be fair Mordecai and Ezekiel are depicted with longer hair. A general sense of a Jewfro is what seems to be implied in these paintings though. Egyptians may also be depicted with such hair. In any case the distribution of hair color in the region leans more strongly towards black instead of brown which is more prominent in central Europe. When looking these pictures one must also consider the possibility of the paintings possessing a degree of embellishment and beautification of the characters and to what degree social and cultural preferences may have influenced them.




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