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d0f5a2 No.594171

You've probably heard people say that there are more than two genders because of intersex people e.g. people born with a particular set of chromosome but their physical features/genitals as well as hormones display the characteristics of someone with the opposite set of chromosomes; or someone born with a particular set of chromosomes but are born with abnormal genitals and may also have abnormal hormonal activities.

Obviously, this can be easily refuted by pointing out that people who are intersex have an abnormality and that they can indeed be classified as either male or female but have medical conditions which physically and/or hormonally give them the characteristics of the opposite sex. Intersex people are do not have a normal condition, instead they have a disordered condition.

But here's something I'm having a little more difficulty with. It's in regards to intersex people born with a different set of sex chromosomes that are neither XX or XY, but may be X (Turner's Syndrome), XXY (Klinefelter Syndrome), XYY (XYY Syndrome), and XXXY (48 XXXY Syndrome). How can these people be classified? Sex is primarily based on our sex chromosomes, and our sexual characteristics are a product of them. So, are these people neither male or female? Some of them may have male or female genitalia, but their sex chromosomes are neither male or female.

Going into a more theological spectrum, the Church tells us that we are all male or female persons. Well, what about people born with different sex chromosomes? Are they neither male or female? I agree that they are not a new gender since their condition is an abnormality/disorder, but what are they? Do these persons simply have no gender? Or perhaps did God create these persons as male or female persons but this did not get carried over into the physical because of a disorder? What is to be said about this? Also, can these people get married?

b2b75c No.594176

>>594171

Having a defect doesn't make you not male or female. It can make sex hard to identify in some particularly bad cases.

>Sex is primarily based on our sex chromosomes

No. Sex is defined via phenotype, not genotype. We knew what sex was before we knew what genes were, and in cases where the two "disagree" (CAIS, for instance) phenotype rules.

So the answer to

>Well, what about people born with different sex chromosomes?

Is that they're either male or female, depending on phenotype. This is easy to discern in most cases (CAIS cases are women, Klinefelter are men, Turner are women, etc.) In cases where it's not easy, it doesn't change the fact that there is an underlying reality to discern.


78a130 No.594178

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Purge the mutant.

The mutants aren't humans and are therefore irrelevant when it comes to categories pertaining to humans. Namely the two categories of gender: MAN and WOMAN. :^)


a0c944 No.594254

>>594171

This is, at best, analogous to when abortion advocates bring up rare cases when abortion might be licit. Even if we agree that these mutations put people outside the gender binary, so what? Transgender individuals aren't physically deformed. They're suffering from a delusion. It's not remotely the same thing.

It may even be completely missing the point of gender itself to ask whether intersex people have a different gender than male or female. If we consider gender to be different than sex (that is, biological sex as determined by the chromosomes), I can still only see male and female as real options, since the idea of gender as a social construct is still essentially linked to men and women.

Male attributes and concepts are defined as being necessarily or predominantly exemplified in men, and are almost always this way because of men's psychology or biology. Strength and soldiery are seen as masculine because men are naturally stronger and more inclined to use their strength than women, for example. Female concepts are also ultimately derived from the tendencies of women, naturally.

These tendencies of men and women, in turn, are the result of their natural roles in reproduction and child-rearing. That is to say, the male and female sexes are designed for different things. Yet, intersex people are not intersex by design. Children born with mermaid syndrome don't have a new, different type of legs, they have malformed legs. We can say this because we know what legs are supposed to be and do. In the same way, we know what sex is and what it's for. People who are intersex are malformed, and this is tragic, but it doesn't change the essence of what sex is any more than those children with mermaid syndrome change what legs are. And, since gender is defined by sex (albeit indirectly) even if it is "just a social construct", these people who are intersex don't change our understanding of gender, either. If you insist on calling them something other than what they appear to be phenotypically, as >>594176 said, then call them genderless, or neuter, just don't go pretending that this opens the door for any more genders. It doesn't provide precedent for people deciding their own gender, and that's what is being pushed for.




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