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16a56f No.593990

>tfw stopped being Pentecostal to become a Baptist

Any edgy memes to celebrate?

d762d5 No.593997

>disgusting heresy to less disgusting heresy

rapture isn't biblical


03a781 No.593999

>>593990

>switches from Prot to Prot

Begome gadolig


a711e6 No.594001

>>593999

trips of truth


21c4c1 No.594002

glad to hear it,

curious about what made you make the switch.

the lululullulluulu tongue stuff?

the Gospel?


16a56f No.594013

>>594002

One day (this Sunday) I just snapped out of it and realized how dumb it was. I still believe that God is one though. I mean, Jesus said to get baptized in the Trinity and Peter said in Jesus name, they can’t possibly have contradicted each other so maybe they are both the same?


6ad918 No.594015

File: 66aca1c87457733⋯.png (322.02 KB, 766x537, 766:537, Frollo disapproves.png)

>>594013

>I still believe that God is one though. I mean, Jesus said to get baptized in the Trinity and Peter said in Jesus name, they can’t possibly have contradicted each other so maybe they are both the same?


afdba2 No.594018

>>594015

But the Trinity is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.


21c4c1 No.594019

File: 5e3e3b449326b2c⋯.png (272.47 KB, 822x1857, 274:619, Trinity.png)

>>594013

>Jesus said to get baptized in the Trinity (Matthew 28:19)

>Peter said in Jesus name (Acts 2:38)

this can be reconciled without without appealing to unitarianism.

i urge you to look into this matter more.


88cc90 No.594020

>>593999

He’s playing hopscotch. He doesn’t have 2 feet on the ground yet.


16a56f No.594021

>>594019

How so? Pls explain


88cc90 No.594024


21c4c1 No.594031

>>594021

i was hoping someone more eloquent was typing up a response, i think this guy ( >>594024 ) tried but failed

you could tackle it a number of different ways:

maybe Peter was in error (i don't think so, but would reconcile the passages)

maybe it doesn't actually matter whether baptism is done in the name of the Father/Son/Holy-Spirit or just in the name of Jesus (i don't think so, but would reconcile the passages)

maybe the Trinitarian formula that Christ instructed us to use was said during the baptisms, but just not recorded (makes sense to me)


16a56f No.594032

>>594031

I’m on the fence on whether God is a Trinity or not and I guess I’m leaning forwards towards your side. Give me a good article or something and I guess I may as well believe in the Trinity.

I surrender!


178320 No.594040

>>594032

Just read the Bible and you will see it.

John 17:24

Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 1:8

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

John 15:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:


6ad918 No.594066

>>594018

He means oneness is a non-trinitarian sense.


8d7c33 No.594072

OP here just in case my ID changed. Is the ice cube analogy a perfect analogy? If so I guess that makes sense how God can be three but still one.


4ebe3a No.594077

>>594072

Water can only be solid, liquid, or gas at a single time (which is modalist heresy), unless you want to count the triple point where all three phases become indistinguishable (which is basically nontrinitarian). So no, I would say an ice cube is a poor analogy for the Trinity. To be honest, I don't think a good analogy can even exist.


60a376 No.594140

File: ab8540424b832fc⋯.jpg (434.13 KB, 1200x2399, 1200:2399, trinity-explained.jpg)

File: c3710eba27aecb1⋯.png (141.51 KB, 1138x1024, 569:512, trinity-1.png)

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>>594077

>So no, I would say an ice cube any analogy is a poor analogy for the Trinity.

*fixed

The Trinity is a concept we don't fully understand, but we grasp enough by holding dichotomous ideas together in the one wrapper. It IS a true test of faith, the idea of the Trinity, because so many cults have fallen afoul of it.


60a376 No.594141

File: 1ad73d5bd478606⋯.webm (8.44 MB, 500x364, 125:91, trinity-1-box.webm)


60a376 No.594147

File: 51fbc11b8d21775⋯.png (115.61 KB, 640x576, 10:9, trinity-kind-of-water.png)

File: 63df1f8eb60583b⋯.png (167.34 KB, 806x816, 403:408, trinity-kind-of-water2.png)

>>594077

>Water can only be solid, liquid, or gas at a single time (which is modalist heresy)

Yeah, and nah.

Modalism is the common objection, but if we ignore THAT specific cup of water which we freeze or boil and talk about water in its entirety, it works much better.

This block of ice is not that cup or water, nor that room full of steam, but all three are still all parts of the total entity of water that I started with

To the objection that I am dividing and conquering God, the Trinity does that (the Father IS NOT the Son, but both are God || this cup of water IS NOT that block of ice, but both are H2O).

Nevertheless, as I said, NO analogy is going to perfectly capture the Trinity, much less its truth embodied in God.


834b12 No.594163

>>594019

The problem with chart is that in the OT when it says "God" "LORD" etc it can mean any one of the Godhead, not just the Father


834b12 No.594164

>>594013

But if you get baptized in the name of the Trinity then you are baptized in the name of Jesus. Also you should follow what Christ commands than what Peter says.


834b12 No.594165

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ab4135 No.594190

>>594013

>Peter said in Jesus name

If you say to someone "Repent in the name of Jesus Christ", that doesn't mean "Recite the name of Jesus Christ when you repent", it means "Repent, by the command of Jesus Christ". The same went when Peter told them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.


178320 No.594193

>>594147

Both of those charts are false analogies and wrong in themselves, a glass of water is not a single molecule, a glass of water is not the entirety of all water. Also, states of matter are macroscopic properties that change, or rather are dependent on different conditions, conditions which can change, which is modalism. And if you can say that a glass of water is part of the entirety of water, that's partialism.

Also a molecule of water itself is divisible and fissible into constituent parts, also, there is more than three states of matter. And also, for any of these reasons it is easy to mislead people or confuse people with this analogy, not something you want to do.

Colossians 2:9

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


60a376 No.595899

>>594193

That's why they're called ANALOGIES




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