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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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37c2d6 No.593741

Once saved always saved is this true ?

b58aba No.593756

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No, because men have free-will and can choose to reject the gift. Just like the "son of perdition" did and he left Jesus' hand by his own will, not that the Son lost him.


5e6fa1 No.593762

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caf3c1 No.593768

>>593756

>And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Free will doesn't mean the ability to do anything. You are just as capable of squaring the circle as you are plucking yourself out of God's hand.


b58aba No.593769

>>593768

rejecting Christ is not "squaring a circle", many people do it, many times in their lives, even his apostles rejected him over and over.


caf3c1 No.593772

>>593769

It is impossible to reject the gospel after you already believe it. The apostles never stopped believing in christ after they already believed.


6b78c9 No.593778

>>593741

being alive is passive suicide so go back to reddit girl


1acd95 No.593780

>>593772

Then why are there atheists who were once christian


caf3c1 No.593785

>>593780

I don't believe they truly believed. I believe the parable of the Shepard and his sheep demonstrate this, from John 10:5. A sheep of Christ would not follow the voice of the spirit of antichrist.


e7994a No.593825

>>593741

No it's not. Salvation is from eternity, because God actually wants you saved, but damnation is temporality so to speak, because it is your actions that separate you from Him.

Once saved always saved is a free pass to go apeshit like fundamental baptists of Anderson type. Salvation comes from piety, from doing what Christ wants you to do and from confessing your sins regularly and atoning for them. Everything else is an easy copout and a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.


4559dd No.593842

>>593785

>>593772

What about Solomon?


85cd17 No.593843

>>593741

"Once Saved Always Saved" IS the Gospel!!!


bed677 No.593844

>>593780

I don't believe that they belives the correct gospel, like they could have been catholic.

>>593842

I don't think he ever actually completely rejected God, but that he built altars to different ones. I may be wrong though and in the OT belivers didn't automatically have the HG like they now do in the NT.

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)


bed677 No.593845

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24f095 No.593849

>>593741

don't do it, brother.

regardless of whether or not OSAS is true.


08307a No.593850

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>>593825

>”OSAS is bad cause it’s just an excuse for sin”

<nobody uses OSAS as an excuse to sin

>confession, on the other hand…


e850b7 No.593881

>>593850

We are human.

We use anything as an excuse to sin.

Also, those examples you post are a product of legalism and improper understanding of Catholic teaching. If you think that "well I'll confess it" is just as good as not doing the sin in the first place, it's the same as those who use "once saved always saved" as an excuse to sin, except with more logical hoop-jumping.


5e6fa1 No.593916

>>593850

>>593881

This is right. The problem here is not the practice of confession, but the misunderstanding of repentance. Repentance doesn't mean going to confession or feeling sorry for what you've done, but changing your behaviour and turning away from the sin in question.

See >>593762


7662fa No.593970

>>593756

From the beginning he was always lost.

John 17:12

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

>>593780

1 John 2:19

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


9e6d32 No.594225

>>593850

Yeah this is just poorly taught Catholics.

Here is a good writing from a Saint and Doctor of the Church on this

7. Listen, then, O sinner, to the admonition of the Lord: "My son, hast thou sinned? Do so no more, but for thy former sins pray that they may be forgiven thee" – Eccl. 21:1. Son, add not sins to those which you have already committed, but be careful to pray for the pardon of your past transgressions; otherwise, if you commit another mortal sin, the gates of divine mercy may be closed against you, and your soul may be lost forever. When then, beloved brethren, the devil tempts you again to yield to sin, say to yourself: If God pardons me no more, what shall become of me for all eternity? Should the Devil in reply, say: fear not, God is merciful; answer him by saying: What certainty or what probability have I that, if I return again to sin, God will show me mercy or grant me pardon? Behold the threat of the Lord against all who despise His calls: "Because I have called and you refused,…I also will laugh in your destruction, and will mock when that shall come to you which you feared" – Prov. 1:24, 26. Mark the words "I also"; they mean that, as you have mocked the Lord by betraying Him again after your confession and promises of amendment, so He will mock you at the hour of death. I will laugh and will mock. But, "God is not mocked" – Gal. 6:7. "As a dog," says the Wise Man, "that returneth to his vomit, so is the fool that repeateth his folly" – Prov. 26:11. Bl. Denis the Carthusian gives an excellent exposition of this text. He says that, as a dog that eats what he has just vomited, is an object of disgust and abomination, so the sinner who returns to the sins which he has detested and confessed, becomes hateful in the sight of God.

8. O folly of sinners! If you purchase a house, you spare no pains to get all the securities necessary to guard against the loss of your money; if you take medicine, you are careful to assure yourself that it cannot injure you; if you pass over a river, you cautiously avoid all danger of falling into it: and for a transitory enjoyment, for the gratification of revenge, for a beastly pleasure, which lasts but a moment, you risk your eternal salvation, saying: I will go to confession after I commit this sin. And when, I ask, are you to go to confession? You say: On tomorrow. But who promises you tomorrow? Who assures you that you shall have time for confession, and that God will not deprive you of life as He has deprived so many others, in the act of sin? "Diem tenes" says St. Augustine, "qui horam non tenes." You cannot be certain of living for another hour, and you say: I will go to confession tomorrow. Listen to the words of St. Gregory: "He who has promised pardon to penitents, has not promised tomorrow to sinners" – Hom. 12 in Evan. God has promised pardon to all who repent; but He has not promised to wait until tomorrow for those who insult Him. Perhaps God will give you time for repentance, perhaps He will not. But, should He not give it, what shall become of your soul? In the meantime, for the sake of a miserable pleasure, you lose the grace of God and expose yourself to the danger of being lost forever.


6b78c9 No.594228

>suicide

>implying being alive isnt passive suicide


a8bdfb No.594274

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>>593970

>John 17:12

>

>While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Clearly says the son of perdition is among those he was given to keep, and all were kept safe, except the son of perdition.

If he was never part of that group he wouldn't have been mentioned.

>he was always lost

To lose your way is to abandon the good. You can't be born lost; makes no sense. He didn't self-create.




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