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>>592782

Islam, Baptists; he’s going to throw a lot of you to test your faith.

>>592784

This, private interpretation of scriptures will divide churches and weaken Christianity.

>it's another bad English troll thread

>>592782

>If God made the world then why do Jews exist?

fixed that for you

>>592782

It was a punishment for the degeneracy of Persia and Byzantium.

>>592810

Can you elaborate on this?

The way I see it, Islam is the True One Religion as in a black mirror episode. it seems a deliberate mockery. What it could be, and we must avoid to be.

Islam exists because an Arab pagan was visited by a demon and given false revelation. The unfortunate man fell into folly and thought of himself as a prophet above even Jesus Christ, and created a religion that's a syncretism of gnosticism, Judaism, and bizarre Christian heresies.

God allows it to exist because He respects the human will out of love and does not prevent men from choosing evil over good. But God remains sovereign, and so Islam is part of His divine providence too. Muslims have become Christians specifically because of Islam, and Islam itself has taught people about God, about Jesus Christ, about sin, about the resurrection… It is also a test for Christians - many have received their crown of martyrdom thanks to Islam, and many have lost their reward for capitulating to Islam.

Being under the boot of Muslims has also developped a deep sense of humility and community among Eastern Christians.

>>592871

>The unfortunate man fell into folly

Pretty spot on. Muhammad went into his cave and thought he had been tempted by a devil; he should have went with his gut. As the religion grew it simply reflected his own carnal lusts for power, wealth, women. Goes to show what happens when your beliefs aren't built upon the strong foundation that is Christ.

>>592782

Very simple. There is a time in which satan is the ruler of this world. But God's glory will come out on top in the end. All those that are saved and the works thereof are proof of God's glory in a world ruled by satan.

This is very poor bait, but read your bible anon.

2 Corinthians 4:4

Free will is a thing, evil is a thing, and demons exist. Simple as that.

That's like asking why does paganism or literally any other religion exist

Matthew 13:24-30 (NIV)

>Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

>“The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

“>‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

>“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

>“‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”

>>592784

based

>>593321

I wanted to reply to your post, but its so dumb that I dont know what to write at all, its just wrong on so many levels.

I'll say one though

>Synagogue of Satan.

those are mudslimes. Quran literally says that Allah is the "best of deceivers".

>>593323

>>593321

y'all wrong

>Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?

2 Cor 6:14

>>593321

You've had your fun Muhammad, time to go back to >>>/islam/

>>593336

>>>/islam/

>>593321

Jews and Muslims will unite to worship the antichrist and murder Christians in the end times.

>>593378

I don't remember where it was in the koran, but Muslims believe that Jesus will come back and abolish Christianity.

>>592871

You think it's at all possible Mohammed just made it up? I mean, he was a total fucking scumbag. I wouldn't put it past him to lie.

>>593453

>you

No one here is part of the (((US Government)))

>>593453

Don't forget man, that all the politicians in our country are corrupt and are thieves. Instead of helping fix our country by working together, which was the whole point of having the Maronite president, Sunni PM, and Shia . None of them have done anything. I don't know if you're living in Lebanon, but nothing has changed since Aoun took the presidency. Instead we have become minorities since a lot of Christian men and women are immigrating since there are no opportunities here and everything works via "wasayet".

>We're already working together in Hezbollah so it really isn't a hypothetical question.

You do realize that Hezbollah's core ideology is to bring Khomeinism into the country and it wishes to turn the country into an Islamic Republic, similar to that of Iran?

>Westerners, get OUT of Middle East. You've literally made everything worse. You caused the wars that pushed millions of Christians to fleeing. You caused your own Muslim refugee crisis, and you destroyed Iraq, Libya, and Syria while making Jews and disgusting Saudis rich. Just get the hell out of the biblical lands, you have zero respect for them and you've trashed any chance of Christian Muslim understanding.

No argument there. One thing I should note though, is that in the Koran, or rather in Islam, they profess Jesus to be a prophet yes, but they do not acknowledge Him to be the Son of God. In the Bible it is written "No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also." In that case, I cannot agree with Muslims. I will respect them yes, but that is as far as our mutuality goes.

>>593463

meant to say and Shia Speaker of the House of Representatives .

>>593453

Shia's aren't as bad as Sunni's tbh.

>>593463

I know that Muslims are still heretical and garbage, but I'd rather live with them and be their allies than live with westerners who abuse resources and treat minorities like less than dirt. Also, my post came off as very pro-Hezbollah which wasn't my intention. I was just showing that christians and muslims can and do work together, but it isn't as good as we'd like.

And yeah, I know lebanon is steadily becoming less christian. There's no hope for conversions or increased birth rates, so the only way leb becomes christian is if the diaspora return, which wouldn't be that unrealistic. They just need a motive. 75% of all diaspora lebs are christians, so if they returned, lebanon would be christian instantly. The christians left for better opportunities, the muslims stayed to claim what was left. I hope one day the christians return and make lebanon rich again. Also I went from mobile to PC

>>593500

>>593463

I really think arab christians desperately need their own state, or at least a powerful militia. We don't want to live in a muslim country, nor do we want to live in Israel.

>>593500

>abuse resources and treat minorities like less than dirt

Everyone does those things, given half a chance.

>>593501

We once had a powerful militia, also known as the Lebanese Forces, as I'm sure you're familiar with. After the end of the war, all militias, except Hezbollah, were stripped of their weapons. Why is that? Hezbollah does it under the pretense of "al 3adou" Israel, and the militia is much stronger than the national army. The army would immediately disband if something becomes amiss, with Shia army men going to their leader, and others the same thing. What''s the point?

>>592782

>If God made the world then why Islam exists?

Because good times make bad men that didn't kill everyone on sight who suggested anything abrahamic, ever.

>>592782

why does ur mom exists? rekt…

>>593453

>Westerners, get OUT of Middle East. You've literally made everything worse. You caused the wars that pushed millions of Christians to fleeing. You caused your own Muslim refugee crisis, and you destroyed Iraq, Libya, and Syria while making Jews and disgusting Saudis rich. Just get the hell out of the biblical lands, you have zero respect for them and you've trashed any chance of Christian Muslim understanding.

There is no Christian Muslim understanding. Muslims are the ones who slaughtered their way through middle east. Now you welcome them with open arms, and irocnically complain about "making everything worse" and Christians fleeing.

I would hardly call the followers of a pedophile warlord "decent people"

>>593500

Muslims and Christians can't ultimately work together, because muslims are called to slaughter Christians, like they have done through history starting by Muhammed

>>593723

>Muslims and Christians can't ultimately work together, because muslims are called to slaughter Christians, like they have done through history starting by Muhammed

This is one of the things that kind of has me perplexed in trying to understand Islam. The Koran contradicts itself many times. At some points, the Koran exalts Christians and calls for peace among them, and other times it calls for infidels' deaths. If Muhammad calls for the death of infidels, why aren't the Shiites killing us then? Why is it just the Sunni?

>>593734

it really doesnt contradict, it just """abrogates""" previous verses.

So in short: slaughtering "worst of the creatures" (i.e. nonmuslims) applies, but "to you your faith and to me mine", doesnt.

>>593737

Oh okay. That still doesn't explain though why Shiites don't kill us as much as the Sunnis.

>>593750

Because they dont have enough power. But when they do, they are literally same sort of garbage. You can read History of Georgia and its war against Iran during XVI-XVIII centuries. They are same trash, just not as widespread

>>593765

Thanks.

>>593734

>why aren't the Shiites killing us

<Hezbollah

<Al-Houthi

<Hazara

<Baltistanis

<Alawites

… the reason you have to ask is because you can't tell the difference and just assume the ululating jihadis are all Sunni.

Know thine enemy.

>>593734

I don't think Mohammed was very smart.

>>593851

>Hezbollah

I don't know about the rest, but I know that Hezbollah isn't killing any Christians. What I meant was that these groups aren't going on a rampage intently seeking out and killing Christians similar to what ISIS did. If they are, please provide sources and prove me wrong. I want to be proven wrong.