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I FUCK THE MUSIC

>>590835 (OP)

No piece or genre of music is of itself inherently evil.

Its moral value depends on the listener - does this music cause you to sin? Does it cause unjustified (see the principle of double effect) scandal? If you can appreciate the beauty of the music without it making you or someone else sin, then go ahead.

http://jimmyakin.com/2005/07/bad_music.html

it's bad to fill your head with this shit.

if you're going about your day, and these lyrics pop into your head:

>Into the flame, into the fire with no regard for a thing, fuck that I'm the lord of the game. I rule this empire - I am the God of hell fire!

>Long as it's done well, and they promise not to tell, We could do this like an orgy in the bowels of hell

that's not good, it is going to have some sort of influence on you.

i can say this for certain, because sometimes i get earworm hymns stuck in my head and believe they have a positive influence on my thoughts and actions.

it's virtually impossible to have impure thoughts while "are you washed in the blood of the lamb" is playing in your head on a loop.

<they're just playing a character

<it's just art

the medium being music makes it different from other forms of art, like literature and paintings.

you don't get a painting stuck at the forefront of your mind for hours, or the quote of some villain in a book.

>>590870

Also, their lyrics are frankly secondary - you can't understand 3/4th of what Ride is saying anyway. But the production is phenomenal.

>>590871

I swear this is my last post.

Ring a Bell is good too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5XfvWt9Y9A

>>590856

The plot thickens!

I don't think I have much to add that hasn't been said before, but for the most part I agree with >>590864 and his other posts in that there is a beauty and appreciation for the uncut and raw nature of the music. I remember vaguely a text interview they did for some magazine where they essentially said that they believe they seem completely different outside of their music and it acts as more of an outlet to release and cleanse themselves of their anger and to paint pictures of disgusting things that don't seem to lean towards praise, such as Fuck Me Out, PSS PSS and Have A Sad Cum which depicts these sexual acts as emotionless, worthless, and just gross like Orthobro said.

I think the thing that really sells me is in the Pitchfork interview, MC Ride sounds like a completely different person and is a lot more coherent and tame, and in the little that he says he seems to have a beef with "surface reality" and what everyone else is doing, being inspired by no one but themselves and what they feel. Their whole shtick seems to be messing with the fans and whatever is prominent in popular culture and doing the opposite. They cancelled an entire nationwide tour to work on an album they wanted to finish by the end of the year until their record label told them that they won't release it until next year, so what do they do? Leak it themselves early and get fired from the label, just to stay true to their wishes. This isn't true for a lot of other artists, obviously.

Is Death Grips as traditional as Gregorian chant and Christian enough to replace your collection of cheesy evangelical rappers? Probably not. Is it inherently bad to listen to and offers no productive value, let alone spiritual value? I don't think so. This is true for a lot of artists, but let's focus on Death Grips. I think they have a message, albeit a chaotic one, to truly go against modern society and do what you want. None of the fake nu-punk "be rebellious, do whatever you want to do, be free… just be sure to vote for HRC!" crap, it is a legitimate message to not be a sheep to what everyone else is doing, even if other people don't like it, even if Death Grips wouldn't like it. So what say you, Baptistfriend? Do you think you can take this message of being your own independent person and really not caring what others think of what you're doing, how you act, what you truly believe, and everything else; and apply it to not letting any of the mainstream sex fiends and corporate monsters overrun you, and use it to strengthen your faith that is slowly becoming more and more niche and "weird" as secularism is on the rise? I'm sure you could.

>>590870

>"huh I wonder what this band actually sounds like"

>click first link

Wow, it's like someone translated a dumpster fire into audible form and then called it "music"

>mocking God is okay if it's in the form of music

>I won't be affected by it!

>>590877

>do what you want

>being your own independent person

t. Lucifer

>>590843

>No piece or genre of music is of itself inherently evil.

>Its moral value depends on the listener

What's the biblical basis for this argument? It seems foolish.

I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes

Why pollute your mind with these unseemly lyrics?

>>590835

No one actually enjoys listening to this shit. You're just trying to impress the hipsters on /mu/.

>>590951

1. I legitimately enjoy listening to it

2. /mu/ hates them now

>>590864

My favorite songs, in no particular order

>Beware

>Culture Shock

>Inanimate Sensation

>@Deathgripz

>Death Grips (Next Grips)

>System Blower

>Get Got

>No Love

>Giving Bad People Good Ideas

>Hot Head

>Have A Sad Cum BB

I really like this artist, however his first album is blatant lucifarian.

>>590843

>No piece or genre of music is of itself inherently evil.

https://vimeo.com/100178568

Garbage, go listen to some Christian music.

If you need to ask you are probably better off not

>>591084

As interesting as his tats are, they're still stupid tbh

And getting tattoos for vain reasons is a grave sin anyway

>>590919

>>590914

This

Are you guys serious about DG being ok? Or is this just memery? Of all the contemporary musicians to pick, you pick the most outrageously occult of the bunch. Ride has literally covered his body head to toe in flagrantly satanic imagery. I don't know what to say. Hey, I guess you guys like the beats, the production, whatever. I'll admit they are pretty cutting edge in that respect. Is it worth it? Seriously lads, this is some next-level doublethink.

In my experience, whenever I feel conflicted about something I like, and began to over-think rationalizations in order to be able to keep liking it, that's usually the Holy Spirit telling me I need to let something go.

>>591196

>Are you guys serious about DG being ok?

Kinda disgusts me how hypocritical this place can be sometimes. Death Grips is a-ok but porn is satanic. Not realizing DG is porn but in music-form. I mean I also consume un-Godly media, but I don't try to say that what I'm doing is completely fine and not dangerous at all.

>b-but I'm just listening to it! I'm not actually worshipping the devil

>b-but I'm just watching it! I'm not actually commiting fornication

>>591228

How is DG porn but in music form?

>>591196

>music sounds good

>not a good enough reason

Why?

>>591232

>How is DG porn but in music form?

It's degenerate satanic worship? Porn is produced because certain (((people))) want to mock our Lord. DG's lyrics mock our Lord as well. Oh but wait

>muh dick

>muh music

Also, porn feels good so why not use it? I mean come on, it's just a few videos and images on the net, and the people involved know what they're doing. It doesn't harm any one.

>>591245

So appreciation of art is a passion like lust now?

>is degenerate music bad

hmm that's a hard one!

that band is a straight pagan/satanic one. They praise chaos and destruction, not God or beauty.

just look at that singer's tattoos. What you and people like >>590877 are doing is twisting satanism as some sort of ironical thing you want to purge at the same time you

contemplate it for what it is.

You are acting for the pleasure of the body. If you can't quit this kind of music then have to meditate, for you are living to earthly pleasures.

If art is not edifying then it's pleasure for the flesh. And this is honestly one of the worst kind of """"artistic"""" pleasure one could have.

>>590835

>Based off the beast in Revelations

<A large number of metal is based off the devil in the new and old testament, but that doesn't make it right

>They're just playing a character

<Understandable, but what sort of character are they playing? The character they play in every song must show what they look up to.

>But I'm just listening to it

<Music has a way of getting into people's mind. That's why jingles and those sort of things are easier to remember than passages from a book. It's better to listen to good music than this.

>Is it wrong to listen to Death Grips?

No, but why would you listen the Crystal Castles of Hip Hop? Get some taste, everyone in this thread.

>That if thou shalt confesse with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt beleeve in thine heart, that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

>>592517

What would you recommend? What do you like?

>>592518

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>>590835

I also like hardcore, gabber, industrial, electronic etc. Sometimes the lyrics are directly unacceptable so I have to be careful.

Many bands out there praise the fallen one and that's a big nono. I'm sure many of them are just edgy atheists but with others who knows.

You know it's tongue-in-cheek, right? The whole point of the album is to illustrate this persona of an angry, self-destructive hedonist and show how angsty and disgusting it is.

>>594540

So what?

>Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. (Philippians 4:8)

Ironical self destructive hedonist ramblings are not "lovely".

I've had to come to terms with the fact that some music I like exists simply to excite the passions, and is worthless.

It's ok to abstain from this.

>>590835

I've been thinking about this and I believe that those musicians are doing it intentionally because they legitimately believe in it. It's not like if they're winging it once spontaneously for the first time. When you consider the fact that they practice and redo that song several times, only to do enormous paperwork to distribute it to millions at the end, then it indicates that they are very legitimate about it.

A lot of people dismiss it because they aren't musicians, but if they were, then they would realize the amount of serious effort placed into composing a song.

>>592517

What music do you like?

>listening to this trash

Get taste anon.

>>606667

This is pretty bad anon