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70a641 No.590107

Not a trick question, this is a general discussion that I think has been greatly missed.

We have had everyone from the media to atheists to pastors and bishops pontificate on the existence of God.

Yet not one fucking person has seemed to take the time to elucidate what God is supposed to be.

It's like fighting about how there are spoons in the drawer with an edgelord that insists all spoons are actually sporks and therefore there are no spoons in the fucking drawer.

98de70 No.590108

pure act


70a641 No.590119

Self bump


dd895b No.590122

This is from the Baltimore Catechism. I'm not Catholic but it's a pretty good definition.

Q. 162. What is a perfection?

A. A perfection is any good quality a thing should have. A thing is perfect when it has all the good qualities it should have.

Q. 163. What is God?

A. God is a spirit infinitely perfect.

Q. 164. What do we mean when we say God is "infinitely perfect"?

A. When we say God is "infinitely perfect" we mean there is no limit or bounds to His perfection; for He possesses all good qualities in the highest possible degree and He alone is "infinitely perfect."

Q. 165. Had God a beginning?

A. God had no beginning; He always was and He always will be.

Q. 166. Where is God?

A. God is everywhere.

Q. 167. How is God everywhere?

A. God is everywhere whole and entire as He is in any one place. This is true and we must believe it, though we cannot understand it.

Q. 168. If God is everywhere, why do we not see Him?

A. We do not see God, because He is a pure spirit and cannot be seen with bodily eyes.

Q. 169. Why do we call God a "pure spirit"?

A. We call God a pure spirit because He has no body. Our soul is a spirit, but not a "pure" spirit, because it was created for union with our body.

Q. 170. Why can we not see God with the eyes of our body?

A. We cannot see God with the eyes of our body because they are created to see only material things, and God is not material but spiritual.

Q. 171. Does God see us?

A. God sees us and watches over us.

Q. 172. Is it necessary for God to watch over us?

A. It is necessary for God to watch over us, for without His constant care we could not exist.

Q. 173. Does God know all things?

A. God knows all things, even our most secret thoughts, words, and actions.

Q. 174. Can God do all things?

A. God can do all things, and nothing is hard or impossible to Him.

Q. 175. When is a thing said to be "impossible"?

A. A thing is said to be "impossible" when it cannot be done. Many things that are impossible for creatures are possible for God.

Q. 176. Is God just, holy, and merciful?

A. God is all just, all holy, all merciful, as He is infinitely perfect.


173d10 No.590123

Our creator? Did I win?


70a641 No.590138

>>590123

There is no winning, this is an attempt to articulate God as easily and as straightforward as possible. Too many fedora-kun have memed onto the idea of muh sky-fairy. When in actual fact God was always more likely the amalgamation of the culture, the society, the collective will and the effect of creation as it relates to physical boundaries and then the extrapolation of what the best possible outcomes all of those things combined could achieve.


70a641 No.590139

>>590122

I fear that the personification has the effect of allowing dullards to pontificate whether or not there is se bearded man floating in clouds.

Media caused this meme and is the crux of the rise of atheism. You can bet on it.


b3b187 No.590140

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>>590107

There are different ways to answer that question.

>Definition of God as a concept

God is the highest being imaginable. God is all-powerful (omnipotent), all-good (omnibenevolent), all-knowing (omniscient), all-present (omnipresent). There is only one God. No other being can even be called God, there are no less gods or demigods.

>Definition of God based on his nature/attributes

God is the Holy Trinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These three persons all share the divine essence of God. None of them are part-God, none of them are one-third God, none of them are more God than the other two. These persons are not each other. The Father is not the Son or Holy Spirit. The Son is not the Father or Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son. These three persons are eternally God, none is a created being or new God.

>Definition of God based on what he's done in the past

God is creator of the world. He sent prophets since the beginning of time to guide humankind. When man rejected the prophets God sent, the Father sent his beloved Son to incarnate as a man himself. This man is Jesus Christ, who was also rejected like the prophets. He was hated more than any other man on Earth, and was brutally crucified. Jesus rose from the dead, and appeared to his apostles. The Holy Spirit was bestowed upon them, and they preached the message of God to the Earth


95575f No.590145

>>590140

>God is the highest being imaginable

This is proper philosophical definition of God.


70a641 No.590147

>>590140

Yes and yet from a practical sense there are still holes in that description.

From the atheist edgelord they will merely dismiss this as superstition, but I offer a rebuttal:

If you were to take an arbitrary number of people and imagine they are good at an arbitrary number of things and bad at an arbitrary number of things and categorise everything they are good at that is also good for everyone including themselves, and take everything they are bad at, or is bad for everyone or themselves then you were to place those into categories, and take those qualities from all of the good parts and extract them as the qualities of someone who is the ultimate good, you then have a mental picture of the spirit of God, His Son, and His spirit.

When you apply those to the culture, the family, the parents, the individual, the father/mother, the son/daughter - you can see the holy spririt is the superset of the good each individual, group, and culture does create.


70a641 No.590148

>>590147

By no means does this mean each culture is on equal footing, there are cultures that create more bad than good. From an objective view point that leads them into what could be described as satan, or rather the fallen. The aspiration of good is to ascend, like ascending a mountain, if you arent very good at ascending then you fall: to become the fallen.


b77fc0 No.590151

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>>590145

No it isn't. According to Thomas Aquinas, God is so transcendent that he does not belong to any category, even the most universal of "being."

The definition of God he used was "ipsum esse subsistens," the subsistent act of 'to be' itself.


9e2b66 No.590157

Exodus 3:14

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

Without God there is nothing. He exists inside and outside of time and creation and has no beginning or end. He is the trinity (father, son, spirit). This is what I understand God to be, but to know who God is, you will need to read his word (Bible).


81932e No.590258

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Philosophically there are different ways to understand God, iirc 'classical theism' i.e >>590108 >>590151 was adopted(/developed?) by church peeps Inc. Aquinas etc. from the aristotelian and platonic thought. By contrast 'theistic personalism' is a different way to understand God and I think a primary facet of the debate between the two focuses on the extent to which and what we mean when we say God is a 'person' or 'personal' and how we can describe his nature and attributes. Not got the time nor the brain to divulge more atm have a google/yt of the terms there's some interesting stuff out there.

>>590122

>perfection

>>590140

>highest being imaginable

'Maximally great being' is often the philosophical term used for this similarly should anons want a google/yt for stuff on this approach.

>>590140

>>590157

>Trinity

This is ofc hugely important, and there's some pretty rad stuff on the trinity out there.

>>590157

> read his word

Also this ofc


0c2543 No.590271

>>590107

God is the realest.


978e50 No.590311

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98de70 No.590334

>>590311

>sends a super cool holy text that says two contradicting things at the same time so that plebs can't actually know the truth unless they get esoterically initiated

Gnostic get out


f5f231 No.593682

>>590311

>>sends a super cool holy text that says two contradicting things at the same time so that plebs can't actually know the truth unless they get esoterically initiated

SO he's a dick head? Why should I do what he wants, I'd kill him if I could.


21a9ea No.593692

>>590107

>What is God?

The most simple answer is what He called himself to Moses: "I AM"


f5f231 No.593699

>>593692

That, really, does not explain what God is.


6be376 No.593889

Infinite love and intelligence.


6be376 No.593906

>>590311

Is this what you really believes in? This contradicts the bible


6a6051 No.593912

>>590107

The Creator.


12f07b No.594160

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>>590107

>"what"

Okay, putting on my OP-is-not-trying-to-be-a-troll face

Might help to give examples of the sporks edgelords refer to.

God is God.

There is no other like Him, and there is nothing under creation's umbrella that compares to Him. He is infinite and immutable and unknowable except where/when He reveals Himself, which He has done copiously. There is no analogy we can draw, no picture we can paint, no thought we can have that will adequately define or capture the total essence of God. We describe He who is infinite with finite concepts and finite words – how can we possibly expect to describe Him?! There is no bomb big enough, no space laser strong enough, no tower great enough to reach or hurt Him. He exists outside the creation, He is not marked or affected by it, not even by us. And yet He is intimately involved in every quark and meson, He considers every tear of men, and is compassionate. He watches over us every day, and He take pride in our excellence, and mourns our sins. He wants, most of all, for us to mimic Him, to be just like Him, not out of any egotistical drive, but because He is His own model for everything creation was meant to be. He made us to be just like Him, to be His mini-Mes, to be everything good that He naturally is, to then reflect His light into the world, and bring what He is to creation. He came as a man, infinite deity squeezed into the minuscule humanity of a man, to demonstrate what He had hoped for us. He is infinite and unaffected, yet He mourns and commiserates that we are not who we were born to be. But, He also has a plan, since before creation was He planned it, and He will set the crooked things straight and the broken things restored, for He is righteousness personified, for He is goodness defined, and He is merciful and refuses to allow us to live immersed in our sins for longer than a moment. Well, a moment on HIS timescale. Indeed, a moment on what will be ours, too, if we want it.

And that … doesn't even capture a ten millionth of the ideas, concepts or words that could be written about God.

So, tell me, edgelord says God isn't a spoon, He's a spork. Do you really think philosophical gymnastics are going to disprove who God is?


12f07b No.594185

inb4 this is the last post of the thread


12f07b No.595896

>>594185

you were right. Tell your sister you were riiiiight



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