/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>Joshus Neu

>Nu

Oh man cmon. Im sure its a good video but this proves God is in on the bants.

CHILL OUT

>>589835

What do you mean?

>>589818

>Here's why Jesus really meant the opposite of what He said

>>589835

Well done.

>>589936

>This is My body

>See, what Jesus meant was the opposite of what He said

It takes two to tango, my friend.

>>589958

Jesus meant what He said it's just "is" means "represents"

"This represents my body"

>>589936

well why do Protestants call their father's father and then criticize Catholics for calling people father?

maybe He meant, don't take any man on earth as your Creator, because your Father in heaven is your Creator.

>>589962

Because the condemnation is against spiritual fatherhood, according to which Christians have only one, God the Father.

>>589966

How do you know he was exclusively talking about spiritual fatherhood?

He didn't specify that, he simply said "call no man father".

Also, what about commands like "if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out"?

But I guess He just meant that opposite of what he said again.

>>589967

The same way I know "is" means "represents", context

>>589966

are you not ashamed?

>Here's why Jesus really meant the opposite of what He said

>Because the condemnation is against spiritual fatherhood, according to which Christians have only one, God the Father.

even St.Paul calls himself a father in one of his epistles.

>>589962

It means using Father as a title that you add to your name that everyone has to call you by, such as complete strangers.

It would be like Paul making himself to be known to the world as "Father Paul," it's prideful and exalting the self. Jesus said not to do it in Matthew 23:8-10, and the "Father" title specifically infringes on the fact that our Father is one in heaven. Behaviors we typically see along with going in long robes and praying vain repetitions, thinking to be heard for their much speaking, and to be seen of men. Basically making a show of being pious. As Jesus Christ said, beware of those men, do not as they do.

I came across this channel the other day and only watch a couple of videos so far, looks to be an interesting one tho I get the impression it's very anti-establishment/organised/institutionalised religion - nothing extreme so far though look froward to watching more - vid topic related

>>589992

okay, I'm glad you admit that Jesus meant something different than the literal meaning of that phrase.

>It would be like Paul making himself to be known to the world as "Father Paul,"

>For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you.

>>590011

It means using Father as a title that you add to your name that everyone has to call you by, such as complete strangers.

>>590011

>by the gospel, I have begotten you

Oh, so he's not using it as a title but a metonym for the fact he converted them.

>>589960

>Man in a hang glider says I am an eagle

>He must mean this literally

just saying

>>590038

>The Incarnate Word saying "This is my body" and "This is my blood" are equally valid to some guy saying "I am a bird"

>>589971

So Catholcs are terrible people because they say with apostolic authority that those verses refer to the pride of the rabbis who abuse those simple terms.

But when protestants come up with their retarded theories because "context", it is perfectly ok, because titles, or meotnyms, or the other nonsensical damage control.

That is why nobody takes protestant seriously: because yoou parrot the propaganda that some retard put in your heads and then you try to come up with excuses for it. And when someone destroys what you say you start to come up with even crazier, wilder excuses. And in the end you complain that "catholics called someone a father!", but have no probelem coming up with your PERSONAL excuses when you or Paul call someone a father.

Because no matter what, your purpose is to be good goyim and attack the catholics in your shameful protestantism, born of propaganda and heresy, and perpetuated through boomers and theologically bankrupt people who are "inspired b y the Holy Spirit"

>>589959

>>590722

Oh wow I never realised that their flag actually has 'the body the blood' on it. That's ironic.

But in all seriousness, we shouldn't be calling people father, even biological fathers. I'm convinced that Jesus was suggesting communal child raising; saying that we should treat everyone as brothers.

>>590731

>But in all seriousness, we shouldn't be calling people father, even biological fathers.

Umm, excuse me, but where is that in the Bible??

>>590737

Matthew 23:9. It's kinda what this whole thread is about. Also of note is Matthew 12:46-50

46While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.b 48But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

>>590751

Acts 7:2? Romans 9:10? 1 Thessalonians 2:11? Ephesians 6:4? Colossians 3:21?

Do you even open your Bible sometimes?

>>590705

>So Catholcs are terrible people because they say with apostolic authority that those verses refer to the pride of the rabbis who abuse those simple terms.

So let me get this straight, you may call your priest 'rabbi'?

>That is why nobody takes protestant seriously

Yeah I know. You guys really disrespect the bible. You think anyone following the word of God and not the word of some man is just a complete idiot.

>yoou parrot the propaganda that some retard put in your heads

I don't believe my Lord is a "retard"

>then you try to come up with excuses for it

It's not excuses, it's called treating the text with respect and letting it speak for itself instead of treating it as a blank sheet to insert what is wanted to be there.

>your purpose is to be good goyim and attack the catholics in your shameful protestantism, born of propaganda and heresy

Tinfoil hat tipping preposterous conspiracy theory idiocy

>>>/pol/

>>590728

>But in all seriousness, we shouldn't be calling people father, even biological fathers. I'm convinced that Jesus was suggesting communal child raising; saying that we should treat everyone as brothers.

That's precisely what >>590009 vid said, but it went even further to say we should not use "teacher" for our school teachers, "doctor" or "professer" for our doctors and professers and Mr (master) for formal addresses (if you're an adult this is if you're a kid you can call your father father or dad).

>>590761

>Acts 7:2

Stephen was being forced to say that by the Jewish High Court

>Romans 9:10

Somebody in the old testament gave birth to somebody else. wow.

>1 Thessalonians 2:11

Using the word 'father' to make a metaphor

>Ephesians 6:4 and Colossians 3:21

Says don't do things to make children angry

Your point is?

>>589917

Nu as in nu-male, and he has the glasses and beard and is even balding. He is probably infinitely more masculine than the meme but the humor is not lost all the same.

>>590727

was waiting for it

>>591008

Philemon 1:10 I appeal to you for my child, Ones′imus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment.

Worm your way out of this one, mate.

>>590043

Because a piece of bread is obviously not Christ's body, just like a guy in a hang glider is obviously not an eagle.

When Jesus says that he is the shepherd and we are his sheep, do you think that means that Jesus literally worked as a shepherd and literally wants us to become his sheep?

>>590722

Clearly Jesus never told a single parable at any point throughout the gospel. Everything he said is to be taken literally 100% like a piece of bread being a body of a person that hasn't died yet…

>>591146

KJV doesn't use the term father but "I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds", deliberately avoiding the word father.

But this is what these corrupt new bible version will do to you…

>>590009

Wow that is a fun series. Can't recommend it enough

>>591008

>Somebody in the old testament gave birth to somebody else. wow.

So then the word "father" can be used.

>Using the word 'father' to make a metaphor

So then the word "father" can be used.

>Says don't do things to make children angry

So then the word "father" can be used.

>Your point is?

That this:

>But in all seriousness, we shouldn't be calling people father, even biological fathers.

Is clearly wrong.

>>590023

Of which, Catholic Priests use as our shepherds, given authority to invoke the sacraments given us by Christ.

>>590798

>Yeah I know. You guys really disrespect the bible

You do not know the Bible. You may know every word; but, the Word eludes you.

>I don't believe my Lord is a "retard"

Pardon the hard-hearted expression, but you do not understand the Word Our Lord speaks.

>It's not excuses, it's called treating the text with respect and letting it speak for itself instead of treating it as a blank sheet to insert what is wanted to be there.

It's called ignoring the apostolic succession, holy tradition, and believing you know more about scripture than she that has preserved it for you. That she, being the Catholic Church.

>>591251

>Because a piece of bread is obviously not Christ's body, just like a guy in a hang glider is obviously not an eagle

How be it that you know more than the Apostles? Did they ever preach to neglect the Eucharist? Was there ever any division that they believed they were eating of the Body and the Blood of Christ?

You pick and choose what is parable and what is not, because you have forsaken the authority that would guide you, the very same that Christ has left us.

>>593510

If you take the title of Father then you are claiming to be in the relationship of father to every person. Which is what anyone who puts "Father" in front of their name does. That's not the same as saying "their father" or "his father" or "my father." It's not denoting a real relationship between particular people, it's taking on the title of Father to all people. It's just saying to the whole world "call him Father." Yet you do this. Brazenly.

Of course, you don't really care about any of this, you only want to excuse yourself so you are using scripture nullification to attempt to claim that Jesus said absolutely nothing in Matthew 23:8-10. That he may as well have said nothing according to you, that we could just remove those verses according to you because they mean nothing, instead of looking at the context to see nobody else can rightly claim the title of Father at any time. Except a person who disregards Matthew 23:9 and teaches people that it essentially means nothing, which, coincidentally, is exactly the same as the pharisees did as described in Mark 7:7-13 when they nullified the commandment to honor your father and mother, and likewise teaching others and vainly insisting that it needn't be observed.

Mark 7:13

Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

>>593531

>Of which, Catholic Priests use as our shepherds, given authority to invoke the sacraments given us by Christ.

Such a meaning is exactly what Christ means when He says "Call no man father", for "one is your Father, which is in heaven". These priests, who partake in the rebellion of Korah (since they rebel against the God ordained order and instead institute a priesthood of their own), arrogate to themselves the spiritual fatherhood of God by their sacramental character.

>>593577

then cast away scripture, for it was delivered to you by these mere "korathic" priests and their apostolic progenitors

>>593614

>for it was delivered to you by these

No it wasn't

>>593622

did john the baptist bury the KJV until the year 1611 or something?

>>593614

http://www.justforcatholics.org/a198.htm