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49c40f No.586636

Let's discuss the jews, eschatology, and predestination.

Did God know the jews were going to reject Christ? The bible - the new testament especially - is fully of poetic paradoxes. Is the jews vs the world part of this? Is the story of history/Christianity a great reversal/switch at the kairos of Christ? Does this explain why God's plan for history started with a covenant that included only the jews, but excluded the rest of the world- so that through the death of the jews, the rest may live?

bb5c8e No.586637

I think Moses knew the Jews were gonna kill Christ.


523bbf No.586640

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>>586637

Please explain where the idea came form.


bb5c8e No.586641

>>586640

Why else is he pissed off at them all the time? Besides everything else they did…


523bbf No.586643

>>586641

Eh, is that all? I was rather anxious when I read your post so its a letdown if that's all that seems wrong.


bb5c8e No.586644

>>586643

Oh, I meant the post as my own personal thought on the matter. I have no proof he knew either way.


49c40f No.586647

Is the story of history/Christianity - as God both foresaw and crafted it - the cucking of the jews?

Did God only use the jews as part of this big ol' switcheroo to have the rest of the world saved, and them perish?


bb5c8e No.586651

>>586647

The covenant was always meant to extend to the whole world, but the Jews always had a choice. They chose the worst possible one.


fa789b No.586657

>>586636

I hear Calvinists cackling in the background


49c40f No.586658

>>586651

why bother excluding most of the world at all then?also where did the gentiles come from if not for the fulfilment of Christ through the jews' rejection of Him?

also when did the gentiles/the distinction come from then, from a gensis perspective?


49c40f No.586660

did God only create/use the jews to damn them?

was their damnation a sacrifice for the fulfilment of Christ?


49c40f No.586665

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49c40f No.586666

tell me about the jews


523bbf No.586667

>>586660

Its a difficult thing.

Let me explain you a bit about Judas. Jesus Christ warned Judas multiple times that he was going to hell for what he was going to do, and reminded him that he could escape, but he also knew he would not do that.

>But isn't this blatant omniscience time memery

:^)


bb5c8e No.586676

>>586658

>why bother excluding most of the world at all then?

dunno, ask God. the covenant didn't officially spread to the whole world until after the Passion of Christ.


24b7b1 No.586682

>>586660

Their covenant was fulfilled with the coming of the Christ. They failed to recognize it as such, though, and their religious leaders rejected Moshiach and His New Covenant, damning themselves and their descendants.

I wouldn't say God created/used the Jews only to damn them, but that He was probably aware that their upbringings/cultural mores would cause them to refuse his Son, even in the modern day (with the once-more-widespread message of the Gospels).

I don't see their damnation, therefore, as a sacrifice for the fulfillment of Christ; rather, as I said in the first paragraph I think their covenant was fulfilled in Christ and they followed their leaders into damnation and diaspora afterward.


3dcfdc No.586683

>>586644

That would be called personal interpretation. Avoid it.


7ff030 No.586713

>>586636

Why are you trying to understand God's intentions? I think it's not possible. Anyway, the Jews were judged according to the Law, the gentiles were judged by the natural law and them not being Jews did not eliminate them from salvation.


30f4b2 No.586719

im ashkenazi jewish and i accept Christ, as do a lot of other jews. now the problem with them is they are mental capitulators and ideological cuckolds, who are afraid to say uncomfortable things

subjects on the matter of racemixing, castration to stop sinning (matthew 19:12), gays in the church, whore women who show their hair and dress scantly, promiscous sex, stopping idolatry and media worship ex videogames and anime etc etc they all capitulate on, but so do the non-jews

thats why i respect guys like weev a lot. now he personally hates jews and actively encourages their genocide, but atleast he has a soul, so to speak. atleast he says whats in his heart and doesnt care who objects to it, and atleast he is not an ideological cuckold. now correct me if im wrong, but i do believe gonocide isnt biblically approved, but atleast hes not a cucked faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deYpV85D30g


e2ba03 No.587290

>>586636

>Did God know the jews were going to reject Christ?

No, just because God is all knowing doesn't mean he knows everything ;^)


e2ba03 No.587291

>>586719

weev is a kike

and it doesn't matter what you believe, you're a kike, too.

you have entry to israel.

you could be a total liberal self hating "atheist" jew and still be fully accepted by your kind

I wish my people still had that mindset.

No worries, though.

We'll win in the end.


eda592 No.587362

>>586636

>Did God know that the Jews would reject Jesus?

Of course, have you not read Isaiah 53?

"He was despised and forsaken of men,

A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;

And like one from whom men hide their face

He was despised, and we did not esteem Him"

- Isaiah 53:3

The Old Testament is also filled with prophecies concerning the grafting in of the Gentiles, even in Genesis God says to Abraham "In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed" - Genesis 22:18. Paul himself confirms this meaning of the passage in Galatians 3. In Romans 9 he also quotes from Hosea to prove this: "I will say to those who were not My people, 'You are My people!' And they will say, 'You are my God!'" - Hosea 2:23.

Clearly this was not the result of a change of plans on God's part; it was so planned from the beginning. God is sovereign, He knows all things, and His Word cannot be overthrown by the petty will of man. Indeed, "The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil" - Proverbs 16:4, and even further "A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps" - Proverbs 16:9, so how could anyone stand in His way, if He even uses the wicked for His own purposes, and how can the will of a man contradict Him, when He directs how man's will is acted out?

As for the Jews according to the flesh, God has not destroyed their race forever. As Paul says in Romans 11, even now there are a remnant who believe (including himself!), and in the last days after "the fullness of the Gentiles" there will be a great spiritual awakening in physical Israel "so all Israel will be saved" - Romans 11:26.

>>587291

What part of "there is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ Jesus" do you not understand? Our problem is with the "Jews falsely so-called" who do not believe in the Lord, not those who do with whom Christ commands us to be "one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me" - John 17:21. Or did you forget that Christ Himself was a Jew according to the flesh? How about Paul? Peter? Moses? Abraham, who all Christians are children of by faith (Galatians 3:7-9)? Even the word "kike" that you use derives from the Hebrew word for circle, and Jews were called this at Ellis Island because they hated Christianity so much that they didn't want to mark their forms with a cross and instead used a circle. By definition, the person you are responding to cannot fall under this category because he is not ashamed of Christ or the cross. Repent of your unbiblical hatred.


07ef3b No.587378

>>587291

>and it doesn't matter what you believe, you're a kike, too

yes, i stated im ashkenazi jewish, but my religion is Christian and i accept Christ

>you have entry to israel

yes and i actually used to live in israel in tel aviv as a kid and used to speak hebrew too, but i forgot it since moving. i should relearn it. but im pretty sure that re-instating a new israel is biblically prohibited and that the rich banker jews who remade israel are in sin

>We'll win in the end.

when Christ returns he will correct all evils and judge everyone correctly and there will be justice, but in this world there is ZERO justice and chasing any is foolish, a waste of time, and in a way takes away from God because it lessens our need for him. especially stuff that most white nationalists promote like the genocide of blacks and jews surely must be biblically looked down on

now im not sure what the bible says about race mixing, but im pretty sure that it does allow and encourage one tribe of people to stick together and not racemix. im almost positive infact that racemixing is NOT biblically condoned. but if you suggest that mixing races should not be allowed in 2018 you get put into prison. this is a real problem actually


ab0252 No.587396

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>>586719

weev is not christian, yet his plans are that of building a christianity to serve as an example to

both catholics and orthodox…


e2ba03 No.587420

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>>587362

>>587378

>tfw the jewish race is completely unneeded and I don't care about biblical teachings regarding this vile people at all

Complete parasites.

Weakest, most cowardly race.

Yet boastful to the extreme.

Genital mutilation and inhumane slaughter practices are the norm.

Pretty much all holidays are based on the slaughter of gentiles, from Purim to Hanukkah to Passover.

Even if Hanukkah is completely fictitious as it is told, because jews being a formidable fighting force and being called "Hebrew Hammer" is one of the most ridiculous things ever stated in the history of mankind.

>They wuz threatened with death

Nah, they just didn't want to become greek, anti integration to the max.

Then they probably just hired some mercenaries or backdoored something to ruin the day of the Greeks.

If kikes actually battled anyone back then, in the open, mano a mutanto then I'll fucking eat a menorah.

Alas, though, they are our cordyceps.

The perfect parasite to exploit our few weaknesses in significant ways.

Christianity being one of their vectors.

Rothschild and co are belly laughing at any notion of jews being the enemy of Christ or Christianity.

I wish I had as many gullible suckers as the jews have with Christians.

Anyway, jews have no *real* power.

Or else there would be a power vacuum if a plague killed them all to the last man.

In reality the world would become more peaceful, especially the middle east.

Fractional reserve banking/usury would eventually die out.

A lot less racebaiting by ashkenazim masquerading as whites to fool dumb nonwhites and gullible whites into attacking whitey.

A lot more resources for every country.

A lot less guilt tripping for lies and kvetching about lies.

Oh, the holohoax kvetching being gone alone makes a total annihilation of this worthless race 1488% justified.

Even without all the heinous crimes they did.

Balfour Declaration and the boycott of Rhodesia will NEVER be forgotten, and those are just recent crimes for which jews deserve full destruction six gorillion times over.

One life of a completely diminished European retard vegetable is worth more than an infinite amount of parralell universes of kikes.

I want this parasite gone sooner rather than later.

This reality inverting scourge.

>you're just jealous of them ;^)

Hey, I don't call myself Goldblatt Rubinstein von Gutkind of Friedmann and other such "delightful names".

And that's where it starts with them, even their names are telling of their boastfulness and envy of our people.

It would be like me calling myself Samuel Latkah or Moses Dreidel.

They really are boastful, but what to expect from a young, alien race like that?

To a child a year is like an eternity because it makes up a large percentage of it's life.

1 day to a newborn is like an eternity.

1 year to a 1 year old is its entire life so far in a timespan.

So, no wonder these foolish people think their 2000 years of """""greatness"""" is of any significance.

It's a blip in the bucket and they will be sent whimpering back to their masters in the beyond in due time.

Anyway, I could go on, but there's no need to.

Reality speaks for me. Their demise, their complete annihilation to the very last mutant is inevitable.

I just wish it would go faster. I want it sooner.

That's the only wish I have. I don't have to wish for anything else.


e2ba03 No.587421

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>>587420

whoops, posted the jewish paralympics instead of the olympics.

There, fixed.

And the German paralympics for good measure to put into perspective that even our cripples are lightyears ahead of theirs.


07ef3b No.587451

>>587420

>>587421

>I don't care about biblical teachings regarding this vile people at all

well, if you dont care about what the bible says, then you are at the foundational level moving away from God, and this is not Christian. you should rebuke me based on what the bible says. i understand that a large amount of the people who are causing problems in the world are jewish, but the bible doesnt condone killing jews simply based on their ethnicity

now im pretty sure it does condone keeping races separate, which would make the race-mixing agenda of a lot of countries not biblical (im not 100% sure of this), which is why you should probably be arguing for racial homogeneity and just quote scriptural evidence to make your point

>Christianity being one of their vectors.

you're basically saying that Christianity is just a tool used by jews to abuse other people. this is blasphemy of the highest order

>>587421

yes, jews are not very physically inclined, and are pretty bad in sports. but who cares about sports? professional competitive sports is idolatry anyways


e2ba03 No.587619

>>587451

>you're basically saying that Christianity is just a tool used by jews to abuse other people. this is blasphemy of the highest order

>you must judge me based on the bible and not on the overall worthlessness and vile practices of my people

>but Christianity is totally not a vector for jewry

As I said, we will win in the end.


7d7de3 No.587673

>>587619

>you must judge me based on the bible

well of course, the bible has to be your sole ethical and moral compas, because using anything but the bible is moving away from God. its basically saying you dont need God, which is apostasy.

not to mention leaving the bible at times you feel offended (like with the topic of jews, for instance), its exceptionally insulting because it questions God's decision making and competence. who are you to judge whether God is competent in His judgment?

our ONLY job is to simply interpret the words of the bible and to understand them, but once they are understood they should be followed religiously regardless of our own personal bias or opinion. you need to humble yourself in the presence of God and do what is told, regardless of how you feel about it. you cant just willy nilly pick what parts of the bible you like, nor can you switch religions based on what pleases or offends you (i mean i guess i kinda do this by not accepting islam, but still)

like for practically most of the world's religion they accept the old testament as absolute truth (including muslims), and God chose the jews as his chosen people. now i think theres a very strong argument to be made that today's jews arent the biblical jews, which is a valid argument, but in Christ there is neither jew nor greek


3466bb No.587812

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>>587673

>like for practically most of the world's religion they accept the old testament as absolute truth

Haha, no they don't. Only Christianity actually accepts the Old Testament, and even that's only if you don't let traditions of man override it.


3466bb No.587851

>>587812

You see, it really is an asymmetric relationship.

Both Muslims and later jews, who wrote the Talmud, claim to believe in the written Old Testament, the word of God. Because both of them want to have the appearance of accepting what is the truth. But in practice, under the hood, they reject the Old Testament in order to hold to their respective teachings. They want the appearance of accepting the truth of God's word but they've made all their own "custom builds" that they actually follow. For the later jews, this would be the Talmud, which as I pointed out is completely separate from the OT in its entirety, and Jesus Christ himself said in Mark 7:7-13 that they were nullifying it through their so-called "orally passed down tradition" even while pretending to follow it.

Meanwhile, Christians who are fully aware of this fully reject the Talmud, the oral traditions, and the Quran as false doctrines of men and man-made rubbish meant to imitate the word of God. So this really is an asymmetric relationship where only one side acknowledges the other. Also the Talmud and all the other oral "sacred traditions" were written after the New Testament, meaning the Islam and Judaism are newer than Christianity, and they were merely attempts to counteract various parts of it to bring it into alignment with their own manmade traditions that were developed, just as Jesus pointed out in Mark 7:7-13. If you're trying to escape from the truth, it's easier to claim to accept the truth but then substitute your own philosophies as the "real interpretation"


8b1e58 No.587901

>>586636

Not all Jews rejected Christ. Many became Christians. See the New Testament. Their descendants eventually forgot their tribal origins. The modern-day Muslim Palestinians are genetically the closest group to the original Judeans.


e2ba03 No.589408

>>587673

>well of course, the bible has to be your sole ethical and moral compas, because using anything but the bible is moving away from God. its basically saying you dont need God, which is apostasy.

No, I think eradicating all jews needs to be the entire worlds moral compass.

I repeat.

Christianity is jewry for the goyim to keep a parasite race alive and welcomed to their midst.

There were denominations and schools of thought that tried to change that but the meat of the matter remains.

It's a vector for jewry into a world that needs not a single kike.

Not a single one.

There are clear jew genetics and everyone possessing them must be eradicated, for good.

The world is perfectly fine without ancient Babylonians and other extinct tribes.

There is no apostasy. There is no yahweh.

There is only the need to purge the world of kike influence.

Simple as that.

(ebin /pol/ post)

34a834 No.589429

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>>589408

Get out pol. You're a bunch of immature rats. I posted a simple question last night and got called a useless mutt for stating I was Lebanese. You guys are obsessed with race, you are idolators. You are racist, genocidal maniacs that should be locked away forever. I fear the day that pol ever has any say in this world. You refute all actual logic and evidence in favor of 'proof' of your conspiracies that stem from horribly mistranslated of entirely false quotes as well as 19hour meme documentaries by HitlerDinduNuffin.com.

Modern Jews aren't even related to biblical Jews. They are caucus asiatics and Europeans. Israelis are foreign invaders from Russia and east Europe who never had a single ancestor in the Middle East, and I would know. So stop attaining the Bible because of modern day Jews. They reject and hate Christ with all of their hearts and lie about who they are just to seize land and gain sympathy from Protestant retards in Alabama.

Grow up. Not everything is a conspiracy. Jews today may be immoral and scheming, but there's no council of Ashkenazim plotting on how to stop you from getting a girlfriend, you godless rat. Go to Church.


34a834 No.589431

>>589429

> attaining

< attacking


34a834 No.589436

>>589408

> to keep Jews alive

I just noticed this. It makes no sense. For 95% of Christianity's history, Christians have hated Jews and tried to destroy or exile them. They've been exiled 107 times from CHRISTIAN countries, not muh 1488 pagan societies. Only in very very recent history has any society on earth started to tolerate them, and it isn't exclusively Christians. Also, only weird American Protestants love Jews. Catholics generally don't care much for them and are more concerned with you know, Christ


830657 No.589445

>>589436

You also can take into account that Jews teamed up with pagans like Julian the apostate in order to persecute Christians


e2ba03 No.589782

>>589429

>I was called a mutt

>/pol/ is evil

>I will defend kikes now

Of course you will defend kikes, not because you're a mutt, but because you're subhuman.

<don't call Lebanese subhumans

It's more a matter of thought. Even if some races are basically wholesale subhuman.

"As long as there are humans living on earth, will the battle between the subhuman and the human be a historical recurrance.

No matter how far we can see back in the past, this battle against the nations, led by the Jew, is a natural part of living on this planet.

One can be reassured to come to the conclusion that this battle of life and death is a law of nature, just as the battle of the plague bacterium against a healthy body is one."

-Reichsführer SS, Heinrich Himmler 1935

Just like the night that rises against the day, how light and shadow are eternal foes, the worst enemy of man, ruler of earth, is man, himself.

The subhuman, this apparently biologically similar creation of nature, with hands and feet, a kind of brain, with eyes and mouth, is something fundamentally different.

A brood with humanoid facial features, but mentally and spiritually lower than any animal.

Inside this creature there is a gruesome chaos of wild, unbridled passions: nameless desire of destruction, primitive covetousness, the most unveiled form of baseness.

Subhuman – nothing more!

"Because not everything that bears the countenance of a human is the same."

Woe be him who forgets about this!

All that this earth possesses, great works, thoughts and arts - the human has thought it up, created it, and completed it.

He devised and invented, for him, there was only one goal: Work his way up to a higher state of being, to redesign the inadequate, to replace the unsatisfactory with something better.

From this, culture grew.

From this sprang forth the plow, the tool, the house.

From this, man became social, came family, came folk, came the state.

From this, man became virtuous and great.

From this, he rose above far above all other creatures.

From this, he became next to god!

But the subhuman also lived.

He hated the works of others. He raged against it, secretly as the thief, openly as the detractor - the murderer.

He consorted with his own kind.

The beast summoned the beast.

Never did the subhuman keep the peace, never was he placid.

This is because he needs the twilight, the chaos.

He dreaded the light of cultural progress.

To preserve himself, he required the swamp, the pits of hell, but never the sun.

And this underworld of the subhuman found its leader: - The enternal jew!

He understood them, he knew what they wanted. He nurtured their most vulgar desires and passions, he let loose a horror upon mankind.

It started in historical times,with the extermination of the Persians, the celebration of Purim, the first glorification of organized mass murder.

75 000 aryan persians fell victim to jewish hatred. Even today, the jewry celebrates this deed of horror as their greatest "religious feast".

Eternal is the hatred of the subhuman toward the radiant figures, the bearers of light.

Eternally the demise of the western world is looming from the deserts.

Eternally, in distant steppes, the powers of desctruction congregate.

Eternally Attila and Genghis Kahn collect their hordes of huns, to race through Europa, a living apocalypse, leaving fire and death, rape, murder and consternation in their wake.

So that the world of light, and knowledge of thousandfolds, the powers of progress and human excellence shall sink back into the abyss of the primal state.

Eternally is this the will of the subhuman:

That, when there shall be desert again, where, just now, the radiance of sublime enlightenment inventively illuminated the darkness, then his final goal would be achieved.

Chaos.

Thus, there has been the struggle between those opposing poles that raged for millennia, under terrible, unpredictable laws.

Forever will be there a Genghis Kahn, a new Attila who tears open the gates of Europa, who only knows one thing: The complete annihilation of everything beautiful!

Today, the embodiment of this will of destruction is known as Bolshevism!

But this Bolshevism is not a modern phenomenon! It is neither a product of our current day, nor is it an innovation in the context of human history.

It is as old as the existence of the jew himself.

Its forerunners are named Lenin - Stalin.

"There will be the bloody decapitations of the leaders of a people, who then are cast into the statist, into the economic, the cultural, the mental, the spiritual and the corporeal slavery.

The rest of the people, through countless acts of miscegenation robbed of their values, degenerated - and in the historically short passing of centuries one will only merely remember if these people once existed."

-Reichsführer SS, Heinrich Himmler 1935


69a6ad No.589891

>>589408

>Christianity is jewry for the goyim to keep a parasite race alive and welcomed to their midst

>There is no yahweh

Varg cultist detected. Why are you even here?




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