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>>585447

>"What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?"

>Romans 6:1-2

>>585449

>18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.

20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

>Romans 7

Not even Paul could stop sinning. And Paul said when he sinned it was not his fault.

NEVER MAY IT BE

To too tired to write long post, but it ends up to repentance. The fact that you sin doesnt mean that you should tolerate it. You should try to avoid it, try to kill sin within you. Sure nobody is perfect, but it doesnt mean that we should not be trying to become one (as Jesus instructed us to do)

>>585447

Look, the Spirit set us free which means we have the ability to be free of it, in whatever measure. There is no impunity, but if God did not understand that we still sin, how would anyone be saved?

In Catholicism, it is understood that if you're under mortal sin you will have a hard time to stop sinning because you are severed from God. The Spirit st. Paul talks about enables us to get back to God and thus lessen our sinning. Because there's a big difference between venial sin and mortal sin. Stopping committing mortal sin is huge step.

>>585447

Yes, also see Romans 7:1 in conjunction with Galatians 2:19-20

>>585478

I thought that you were banned!

>>585477

There is no talk of venial or mortal sin in the Bible.

>10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

James 2

In 2 Corinthians, Paul talks about how he tried to battle what seems to be a temptation from Satan. He prayed to Jesus that this temptation might be taken away. But Jesus said His grace was sufficient, and that His power was made perfect in the weakness of Paul. So Paul boasts of his weakness so that he might not become spiritually CONCEITED.

>Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

>yet another protestant fanfic

>yet another reason why laymen should not read the Bible with no supervision

>>585491

James 2 by no means that all sins are equal. It would be quite ridiculous to clam that st. James claimed that if you gossip about your neighbor you are automatically guilty of murder, theft and fraud.

It's pretty simple

>[9] Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, [10] Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.

Those are mortal sins, you go to hell for those.

And in Matthew 5

>[19] He therefore that shall break one of these LEAST commandments, and shall so teach men, shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. But he that shall do and teach, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

And in Matt. 12:32 you also have the degrees of sin.

And in I John 5:16-18:

>If anyone sees his brother committing a sin that is not a deadly sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not deadly. There is sin which is deadly; I do not say one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not deadly. We know that anyone born of God does not sin, but He who is born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

So breaking those commandments doesn't condemn you to hell.

>>585452

Sinning is inevitable after salvation but that doesn't mean we should go on actively sinning. We need to restrain ourselves.

>>585497

>James 2 by no means that all sins are equal

You're right, it means that all sins merit eternal wrath

>>585498

See >>585452

>18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the DESIRE to do what is right, but not the ABILITY to carry it out.

>20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is NO LONGER I who do it, BUT SIN that dwells within me.

>Romans 7

Paul seems to imply that restraint is not possible.

>>585503

But faith saves you? And what if the OP is right and we have the permission to sin? Those statements and your statements are mutually exclusive, provided you're a protestant. I know the Orthodox say that all sin is basically mortal sin.

Also, didn't you read the parts of the Bible I quoted? Especially, 1 John 5, I'll even quote the KJV:

>17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

And the rest of that chapter confirms what I said earlier, that God keeps us from sin and that mortal sin keeps us away from God.

>>585507

>But faith saves you?

Yep.

>And what if the OP is right and we have the permission to sin?

Where did he claim we have permission to sin?

>Those statements and your statements are mutually exclusive, provided you're a protestant.

How so?

>And the rest of that chapter confirms what I said earlier, that God keeps us from sin and that mortal sin keeps us away from God.

Well, the problem is that John has no concept of a sin that kills grace, because he isn't a medieval theologian from western Europe. So your reading is anachronistic since it involves reading ideas into John that would not exist for quite a long time. In fact, if John were saying that, it would contradict verse 13 when he says we can know we have eternal life. In verse 16, John says that if we pray for those committing a sin which does not lead to death, that God will give them life. But if this describes venial sin, don't they have life already, albeit stained? All sin leads to death, but what John means is a sin which certainly leads to death, an unforgivable sin, of which there is one. This is why he says we are not to pray for those who commit it. Are we to not pray for those who commit mortal sin, anon?

>>585834

We have permission, because as above we cannot stop sinning. Paul says he is not responsible for his sins, because

20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

Romans 7

Which leads Paul to conclude that he will serve God and serve his sinful nature.

25 So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

Romans 7

But …

24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

Romans 7

We are still saved. Hallelujah.

>>585983

>We have permission

God never says it's ok to sin

>Paul says he is not responsible for his sins

No he doesn't. Read the passage again, he says his sins are not what he desires.

>Which leads Paul to conclude that he will serve God and serve his sinful nature

He is a servant to God in his mind, that is, he desires to serve God, and he serves sin in his members, that is, in his lower will. Read the passage closely, it means that while Paul can't separate himself from his sins, he still never gives in, he fights it constantly.