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7815ca No.585097

We're back from a long hiatus!

This is the eleventh iteration of the original megathread dedicated to discussion and education on Islam and Christianity.

Let's continue on for edification! All Islam related subjects come HERE

Last threads:

2: https://archive.is/OTokZ

3: https://archive.is/5Z9y5

4: https://archive.is/8NxNn

5: https://archive.is/kbWSe

6: https://archive.is/PmiUl

7: https://archive.is/S1CIp

8: https://archive.is/lz9la

9: https://archive.is/CgiJZ

10: https://archive.is/tBv0I

Recent Events:

- NYC jihad bomb failed (after previous success with truck) and "Trump Says Dems Will Help With Immigration Reform After NYC Attacks"

- ISIS Suicide Attack Kills at Least 20 in Kabul

- Egyptian Coptic Christians murdered in church and shop by jihadi gunman (which ISIS claims was theirs)

- Google, Twitter & other left-leaning companies continue to obfuscate, ignore or bury Islamic attacks (seriously, go look at the first page of results when searching "islamic attack")

- Sharia in UK still going https://archive.is/wdIMv

- Christians, Yazidi, Muslims continue to be hunted and persecuted

- Refugee Crisis continues, flooding rapes and violence abroad

Current MegaLink back-up for articles, videos, audio books and more: https://mega.nz/#F!9YB2EJ5A!mfVFn6AbXk9lBLM18V02Wg

7815ca No.585098

File: 4660d89214b7e25⋯.jpg (626.54 KB, 1340x2048, 335:512, Christ Destroys Myth.jpg)

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,

- 1 Corinthians 10:3-5

You know the drill. It's our MISSION STATEMENT:

As you'll notice from the links provided in the OP there will be certain videos, imagery and other aspects that will be reposted. This is because these videos carry a potent amount of information.

Now let me state the perspective of the OP and the goal of this thread: My mission statement with this is to teach Christians about Islam's history, its holy text(s), its practices, and in what manner we Christians can confront it.

We believers in Christ are the only ones who can reach out and save a Muslim's soul, and we are also the only ones capable of combating Islam on the battlefield of ideology.

We must arm ourselves with wisdom, clarity, and fervor if we are to act in Christ's name.

This thread will focus mainly on Islam and how Islam relates to the world and Christianity. Personal perspectives are welcome, both from believers and even Muslims. This is NOT a thread for a witch hunt, but neither is it a thread where you'll find anyone willing to meekly capitulate.

Our focus:

We must have a Christian mindset at all times, and it's necessary to reach out even to Muslim immigrants (1st generation Muslim immigrants being the most volatile in service to their god, most especially depending on their C.O.O) since we don't know their potential. Only God does. It's very possible and has been the case many times where they might be willing to engage in civil discourse or secretly wish to accept Jesus as Lord but they are afraid due to their family, upbringing and consequence in the Islamic faith.

This is also the case even for many "Westernized" Muslims, too.

However, common sense plays a big role as well when it comes to testifying and how we do so. As I always say, while we must keep our hearts and minds open while being focused on saving others in Christ, we also cannot, MUST not capitulate.

There is no sympathetic love for the fiends of Rotherham, Nice, Stockholm and more. If you must protect yourself, your family and your neighbor from such fiends then unsheathe the steel from your spine and do so. Cut them down and make an example of them to the others so that you might shield your brothers and sisters from home-grown atrocities.

But that's only if it's needed. Ours is not the path of conversion by the sword, and unjust violence is just as much of a grotesquery in God's eyes as any sin. Our first place is the battlefield of ideology, the battlefield of the spirit.

I'll trust you all to continue learning the Gospel on your own as we learn more about Islam in this thread and look at the differences between them. You MUST know the Word of God before remotely trying to testify to another, let alone entering a discussion on the nature of God's Will. May God bless you all in Christ Jesus His Son.


5e230a No.585099

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

One of the most important vids on the topic.


7815ca No.585101

File: 6a131d3e681d6e8⋯.webm (5.53 MB, 500x249, 500:249, ..Islam, Arabic Confusion.webm)

File: aa282a1785e1411⋯.webm (3.68 MB, 400x223, 400:223, .Islamic Majors_Robert Sp….webm)


7815ca No.585103

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>>585099

>one of

My man, it's a whole series of videos, but very nice first post!


7815ca No.585107

File: 79e202e28b28d3b⋯.webm (11.59 MB, 576x444, 48:37, Quran History.webm)

What is the history of the Qur'an?

How did the Quran in people's hands today come about?


7815ca No.585108

File: 4c05de5d20468c7⋯.webm (11.31 MB, 836x428, 209:107, Quran Surah 85.22 Preserv….webm)

What are the differences between the Qur'ans today?

Are the differences only in translation? Could there be differences in the Arabic itself, and what does this mean?


7815ca No.585109

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7815ca No.585361

File: 1796f6fc1789036⋯.webm (8.9 MB, 396x260, 99:65, Shariah and Unbelievers.webm)


94661c No.585701


54fff9 No.586260

File: 238534610b6a4c1⋯.jpg (2.09 MB, 1696x6224, 106:389, islam1.jpg)

File: 30b3395193858bf⋯.jpg (2.05 MB, 1336x6290, 668:3145, islam2.jpg)

Muslim:

>Jesus is some prophet not the son of god

Christian:

>Jesus is the Son of God and also Nicene creed.

Huh what do I choose


7815ca No.586937

>>586260

That second pic is priceless. I didn't know about those "Muslim" philosophers, mainly because I haven't heard a Muslim mention them before.

Maybe in passing? Either way, very good posts. It would have been better if he wasn't so vitriolic and foul-mouthed but ultimately he was posting on an imageboard so it's to be expected.

I've been spending all this time poring through the Bible to try and find this one instance where it mentioned something about Arabs and ambushes, or lying in wait or something. I could swear that was mentioned in the Scriptures as not even a singular occurrence but passingly, as if it was just what Arabs did and were known for. I don't remember.

Anyway, what's important is learning more about these things so we can better engage on the subject for a greater victory against our enemy Islam, for the salvation of the one ensnared in the false doctrine of Islam, for glory of God

>…"Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God."

- Acts 2:10-11


d3bd56 No.587015

Islamic paradise is a waifu harem:

Allah describes the women of Heaven as, “Loving in nature and equal in age. (56:39)

Some scholars have translated the word u’rub in two ways. One interpretation is that they have intense love for their husbands and the other interpretation is that they are skillful at having sex with their husbands. (Hadiyul Arwah page: 266)

Abu Hurairah narrates that Prophet (Pbuh) was asked, “Will we have sexual intercourse in Heaven?” He answered, “By the oath of that being in whose hands my life is, yes. [Sexual intercourse will be with] hard pushes. When one of us completes the task of intercourse with his wife, she will once again become a virgin and a pure woman. (Ibne Hibban)

Haytham At-Tai and Salim bin A’mir relate that Prophet (Pbuh) was asked regarding sexual intercourse in Heaven. He said, “It will be with a powerful desire and a penis which does not tire. Definitely, a person will have sex with a woman for 40 years. [During this time] he will not move away and nor will he tire. He will have sexual intercourse as much as his soul will desire and his eyes will find pleasure in.” (Harth bin Ab’ Usamah, Ibn Ab! Hatim)


b8ee48 No.587020

Second Vatican Council, Nostra Aetate 3, October 28, 1965

"The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth (Cf. St. Gregory VII, Letter III, 21 to Anazir [Al-Nasir], King of Mauretania PL, 148.451A.), who has spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God’s plan, to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own. Although not acknowledging him as God, they venerate Jesus as a prophet, his Virgin Mother they also honor, and even at times devoutly invoke. Further, they await the day of judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead. For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting".

http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious/interreligious/islam/vatican-council-and-papal-statements-on-islam.cfm


033b05 No.587022

>>586260

Do you think God made the human body wrong so that it always needs genital mutilation? Because that was just a temporary covenant with Jews, not meant to be a permanent practice that 'improves' or 'corrects' the body. Muslims kept it going because their foreskins would often get infected from having sex with animals.

Also the original Quran was written in syriac-aramaic the Arab translation is a corruption


033b05 No.587023

>>587015

>Islamic paradise is a waifu harem

Islam is meant to appeal to dumb goat farmers and it works in that regard


d3bd56 No.587049

>>587023

=D i guess it doesn't appeal to clever goat farmers then!

when i was edgy teen i wanted to like islam because of the waifus,but I couldnt force myself to do it,islam was too backwards and convulted.


81a63a No.587072

File: 1d8b81be3055bc6⋯.jpg (936.88 KB, 2342x2866, 1171:1433, Islam vs Christianity.jpg)

File: 0b5e634c8bebda6⋯.jpg (171.04 KB, 960x960, 1:1, Aquinas on Islam.jpg)

File: bd7f29a08cf8ff3⋯.jpg (400.85 KB, 2486x1434, 1243:717, St Bosco on Islam.jpg)

>>587015

>Islamic paradise is a waifu harem:

Muhammad described their heaven as being full of giants with skin so white that you can see their bones. There's some other weird descriptions of Allah, where he's a monster. Muhammad actually has to make distinctions between Allah and Shaytan (the devil) because they supposedly look so similar. Draw your own conclusions about Islam.

Muhammad has a lot of symptoms of bipolar disorder along with schizophrenia.


7815ca No.590098

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>>587049

>when i was edgy teen i wanted to like islam because of the waifus,but I couldnt force myself to do it,islam was too backwards and convulted.

I think the carnality is part of the appeal to carnal men, true.

>>587072

>psychoanalyzing Muhammad

bruh


5fa2f2 No.590533

File: 62deb6eaf658bdd⋯.png (1.19 MB, 1500x1500, 1:1, WILLED.png)

>>590098

Did David Wood ever finish that series? I got really into it and can't find the other two promised videos.


1e36c0 No.590535

When I was quite young I was talking to a muslim anonymously through the internet about whether Jesus was God. I quoted Matthew 13, and he spun it to say that Jesus' famous rebuke in verse 23 was in response to Peter saying that Jesus was the Christ. Blew my mind to think that anyone could pervert scripture like that.


987982 No.590765

File: 8646e541213b997⋯.jpg (308.97 KB, 683x1024, 683:1024, ethiopian orthodox girl.jpg)

i got some muslim work buddies, they're pretty cool and calm guys, we've only talked about religion a few times, mainly to laugh at a couple fedoras at work.

They were surprised one day to see me eat pig at lunch, they thought Christians avoided pig like jews do…lol


7815ca No.592639

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46c206 No.594232

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7815ca No.596511

>>594232

haha Nicely done. Funny to see those ones that REEE at the sound debates occurring. They know the truth is being presented earnestly and it scares them because they can't argue against it.


a10bc2 No.597107

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b6f3e4 No.597431

File: 987fdfb69df975e⋯.jpg (28.11 KB, 355x266, 355:266, 61LaLzq39eL._SX355_.jpg)

>>585097

Something about this thread settles my stomach.


7815ca No.597874

File: a6eae81a3a72427⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 24.86 KB, 416x450, 208:225, Smug Void.jpg)

>>597431

heh it can get pretty comfy with us learning and talking together about theology, even with regards to Islam

>>597107

>ChristianPrince

highly underrated

>that title

>that video

I wish I had a smug ChristianPrince anime pic, this guy man


fec1d6 No.598571

File: a77200936c757bb⋯.jpg (24.62 KB, 593x767, 593:767, NF0RSviCAAJkZ6MZSWRPe4YW4X….jpg)


234852 No.598723

>have 3 muslim coworkers

>christian friend is low on cash and needs money for hospital bills/rent, (recently had operation and missed work)

>muslims all pitch in a few hundred dollars each, they've only known him for 2 maybe 3 weeks

>one muslim pitched in 600$, which he borrowed from someone because he didn't have the money to lend

ehh, kinda cool tbh


f2759d No.598740

>>587020

I've always had a problem with this. As a Catholic, should I follow what this council proclaims or teaches?


7815ca No.599995

>>598723

Goes to show that not every Muslim is cut from the same cloth, and those who are aren't always from the cloth splattered in blood.

I'm sad that it wasn't Christians gifting the money to your friend, though.

That said

>>one muslim pitched in 600$, which he borrowed from someone because he didn't have the money to lend

That's confusing


2bac1c No.600155

You realize if we legit outwardly convert to another religion we get apostacized right? The problem with that being in the East we get our heads cut off over it, and in the West we instead get what you'd call excommunicated from our own community for it, which is worse in some cases. That's the reason why it's futile to try to convince Muslims in general to convert, they'll defend their beliefs best they can but they won't even think of converting even if you do impress them with a good argument. I personally don't believe apostasy should be punished because it contradicts the Quran and humanity and is very obviously just a way to maintain total political power over people. But most Muslims don't think that way unfortunately.


adde90 No.600162

>>598723

Well, Humans are made in image and likeness of God. And being Godlike means that humans can do good, even when they follow religion as degrading as pisslam.

>>599995

>That's confusing

not really. He didn't have money at time, so he borrowed from a friend and will return it to friend after some time.


7815ca No.600873

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>>600155

>You realize if we legit outwardly convert to another religion we get apostacized right?

We are aware of that. Countless of our brothers and sisters in Christ who suffer horrific trauma, mutilation rape and execution - or even simply cold-hearted disinheritance and being ostracized and harassed by family and neighbors - endure all these things despite that. Why?

Because the truth of Christ Jesus, Messiah who suffered mutilation, harassment, slander, humiliation and murder for the sake of all those who believe on Him in truth, is such that we cannot and will not compare it to the what the world offers.

The Gospel is greater than man and Jesus is worth our suffering, and He throughout Scripture has promised with all certainty, God promising on His own name that,

For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” - Hebrews 13:5

When my father and my mother forsake me, Then the Lord will take care of me. - Psalm 27:10

>So Jesus answered and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel’s, who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time—houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions—and in the age to come, eternal life. - Mark 10:29-30

And in Psalm 56 it is written,

>Whenever I am afraid, I will trust in You.

>In God (I will praise His word), In God I have put my trust;

>I will not fear. What can flesh do to me?

and again,

>In God I have put my trust;

>I will not be afraid.

>What can man do to me?

and again in Psalm 118,

>I called on the Lord in distress;

>The Lord answered me and set me in a broad place.

>The Lord is on my side;

>I will not fear.

>What can man do to me?

Hence why it was given again,

For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” So we may boldly say:

“The Lord is my helper;

I will not fear.

What can man do to me?” - Hebrews 13:5-6

When dispensing the Gospel and calling on you to faith, we warn you just as Christ our Lord warned us all,

>"For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it[…] So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple." - Luke 14:28,33

But this same warning, that if we are not willing to forsake everything for Him, if we are not willing to count the cost of following Him and see that He is of such greater value than any of it (and indeed He is, Psalm 34:8, Psalm 119:103,105, Hebrews 6:13-20), then we are not capable of belonging to Him in truth -

the same Holy Lord who gave this warning also reassured us,

>Vengeance is Mine, and recompense; Their foot shall slip in due time; For the day of their calamity is at hand, And the things to come hasten upon them.’ - Deuteronomy 32:35

as well,

"Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you." - Matthew 5:11-12

Because the promise of our salvation, our healing, our forgiveness and blessing is made by God, a vow He made on His own name,

Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I and My Father are one.” - John 10:25-30

Therefore,

Thus God, determining to show more abundantly to the heirs of promise the immutability of His counsel, confirmed it by an oath, that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us.

This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus

- Hebrews 6:17-20

We are blessed with promises of God which bear infinitely greater value than anything or anyone in this life, and one of those promises is God Himself; God has promised Himself to us through Christ Jesus forever, and that, anon, is why the suffering is worth it.


81ded4 No.601032

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvqgVS8KVJA

It's done by an ex-Muslim atheist but I highly recommend watching this and sharing this to Muslims.


81ded4 No.601035

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94661c No.601173

>And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right.

Is Allah a Baptist?


eb9a3f No.601830

Can somebody explain by The Bible can be considered the authoritative word of God and not The Quran?

Without going all "MUHAMMED WAS A PEDO", "THEY WAGE WAR" etc.

I mean how can you explain how the TEXT of is correct but the text of the other is incorrect?


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e52ace No.601888

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>>601830

Dunno if pic related helps, but there's also and extrapoloation of the first word of the word in genesis (using the letters and their ancient pictorgrams/individual meanings) which similarly sets out God's plan in advance


7815ca No.602599

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>>601830

>Can somebody explain by The Bible can be considered the authoritative word of God and not The Quran?

vid related


83ea40 No.602617

>>602599

pay attention >>601861


2a689c No.602657

A lot of the message is the same between us anyway. Monotheism, believe in the Final Judgement, repent of sins, do good, advise others of the same, warn them of Gods judgement if they choose not to, etc. etc.


83ea40 No.602660

>>602657

There's just one crucial difference


2a689c No.602666

>>602660

Fair enough, I'm not apologizing for what Muslims believe in/do/have done in the past. Still, while I'm occasionally tempted to believe otherwise, I do not think they are the true enemy. There is a higher evil that should be removed first.


77e7f8 No.602965

>>601861

You can embed hooktube links you know.


7815ca No.604486

>>602965

Why though? The videos we post here aren't monetized I don't think.


83ea40 No.604529

>>602965

Not from dashchan




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