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The animals were created in Genesis 1 as described then Adam and the Garden if Eden on day six. God created another animal that already existed in the garden of eden so that Adam coukd name it. No contradiction

>while they were created after Adam in the Garden of Eden.

You mean Genesis 2:7?

>And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:19

>And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast ofthe field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adamto see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam calledevery living creature, that was the name thereof

>Specifically pertaining to how animals were created before humans in the Story of Creation

Genesis 1:24

>And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creatureafter his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earthafter his kind: and it was so.

Genesis 1:27

>So God created man in his own image, in the image of Godcreated he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 1:31

>And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Your answer is in Genesis 2:4

>These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

The Bible is not in chronological order as made very appearent by the gospels, isaiah 14, proverbs 8, ezekiel 31, and the entire book of revelation. God created man and beast on the same day, but it doesn't mean the order is exactly as it appears to be. There are periods after the sentences so its not in a ordered list.

>>584704

But I thought the gospel specified it being all animals and not just one.

>>584706

If it's not in chronological order, then that clarifies a lot for me. Thanks.

Just another two questions: How long were Adam and Eve in the garden for? Were they originally intended to procreate or was that their duty after being cast out?

>>584712

If the Bible does not tell us, then we don't know.

Some Church Fathers speculate that they were children, others speculate that they were adults.

Procreation was always going to be a thing (see Genesis 1:28 and 2:24) but how exactly this would've been done can only be speculated on. Some Church Fathers thought that they would've reproduced like we do after the Fall. Others thought that the act of sexual intercourse is itself a result of the Fall, and so Adam and Eve would've reproduced in an angelic way that we do not know.

Is this your first time reading the Bible? Then here's a word of advice: every book of the Bible is about Jesus Christ. Keep that in mind as you read on.

>>584712

>How long were Adam and Eve in the garden for?

There's no way to know for certain. But due to the age of Adam being in Genesis 5:5

>And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

It can be no longer then 933 years, which would be long enough to give birth to cain and abel since they weren't twins.

>Were they originally intended to procreate or was that their duty after being cast out?

That was the duty given to them by Genesis 1:28

>And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful,and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Which was before Genesis 2:21 due to Adam naming them all. So before they were cast out.

>>584718

WOOPS.

>933

Should be

>928

>>584717

>Then here's a word of advice: every book of the Bible is about Jesus Christ. Keep that in mind as you read on.

Can you be a little bit more specific on what you mean? I understand the prophecies being fulfilled and the fall redeemed. Obviously the later books are strictly about him. But how would some stories that don't have anything to do with him be about him?

>>584718

>Which was before Genesis 2:21 due to Adam naming them all. So before they were cast out.

But God also told them to have many children, so that their descendants would live all over the earth. So were they intended to leave the garden or was that passage (1:28) un-chronological?

>>584725

>or was that passage (1:28) un-chronological?

Unchronological. Genesis 2 was chronological due to it all happening on the same day

>Can you be a little bit more specific on what you mean?

A perfect example of Jesus just randomly appearing is in psalms 110:1 and clarified in matthew 22:44. Yet another is in deutoronomy 31:3 and clarified in acts 7:45. If you need a Bible there is one at >>>/pdfs/7147 to look this all up in. There's also ones on the internet if you jewgle it.

>>584725

Many stories are not prophecies, but types, images of what is going to happen. For the most obvious example: a character called "angel of the Lord" appears several times throughout the Old Testament, and wears the name of God, and receives worship. He is the pre-incarnate Christ. Another example: Moses is a type of Christ, and the many rules of sacrifice are a type of the one sacrifice Christ makes at the Cross.

And of course, even when something is not directly a type of Christ or the Church or isn't a prophecy, it still redirects us to Christ, whether it is the genealogy of the Messiah or the ways in which God's divine economy was carried out to pave the way to Him.

>Hi, I just started reading the bible for the first time and I was wondering how the differences between the Story of Creation and the Garden of Eden were justified.

Any true differences with content is in your head. The style and focus are different because the narrative shifts from the whole universe to the garden and the creation of Adam and Eve.

Why the sharp shift in style? Well, Genesis wasn't written by modern American literature standards, and you, as an ancient Hebrew were often taught through oral communication, unless you were in the priest, royal, or scribal class. This shift makes sense for God's purpose, specifically how the world began and who, detailing why God has the right to give the Torah to Moses and the Israelites. If you want a modern example, Tolkien does this in the first part of the Silmarillion, where creation focuses first on creation with Eru Ilúvatar with the Ainur then creation while viewing the Ainur with the children of Ilúvatar and the dwarves those poor bastards.

>>584712

>How long were Adam and Eve in the garden for?

Probably between a day to even a few months, but it was not for long.

>Were they originally intended to procreate

That's what "Be fruitful and multiply" means.

>was that their duty after being cast out

Many scholars strangely believe marriage, sex, and childbearing were merely created to perpetuate humanity amidst mortality, even though God did not create those things with mortality as the main purpose. It also does no make sense that God commanded them to have joy and blend in marital delight before the fall as if the fall wouldn't happen if the whole point was to offset the effects of the fall, sin, and death. But no the main purpose of marriage, sex, and childbearing are for God's glory and were intended to be done even if Adam and Eve never sinned. I'm still making that thing about marriage and the after-life. I swear! Don't shoot me!

>>584725

>But how would some stories that don't have anything to do with him be about him?

The first christological prophecy is in Genesis 3:15, talking about her seed. Ever since then, mankind has had some word of God to believe in. But they have to have faith that the word is truth.

>>584718

>It can be no longer then 933 years, which would be long enough to give birth to cain and abel since they weren't twins.

Genesis 5:3 says Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born, and this happened after the death of Abel (Genesis 4:25) so therefore it couldn't be much more than 100 years in Eden, absolute maximum.

>>584732

Oh, you are correct.

>>584725

>Can you be a little bit more specific on what you mean?

"You search the Scriptures [the OT] because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me…" - Jesus' own words in John 5:39. And remember Jesus is God the Son. He was there in beginning and all things were made were made by Him and through Him all thing that were made. Read John 1.

> So were they intended to leave the garden

That's going into speculation that sadly we have to wait till we meet Jesus to answer. I do believe the Garden of Eden was to be the first couple's permanent home if they did what was right. But don't worry. In a sense, the Garden is still eternal home of those who love God, albeit with a different name.

>was that passage (1:28) un-chronological?

See >>584731, God made children bearing, imo from studying Scripture, to have more people for Himself especially after death and sin are finally defeated, not to prevent human extinction. No chronology issues at all.

>>584734

Don't you know that a garden that is of eden is exactly that? A garden of the earth? Read Isaiah 37:12

>Have the gods of the nations delivered them which my fathers have destroyed, as Gozan, and Haran, and Rezeph, andthe children of Eden which were in Telassar?

also see ezekiel 31:9,16,18

>I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him

>I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.

>To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

Eden is the garden of God. But a garden of Eden is just that, a garden of it. With Eden being a synonym of earth due to ezekiel 31:16,18

>>584701

Kent Hovind addresses this

iirc one time is just a summary of what's already happened or going to happen

>Can you be a little bit more specific on what you mean?

The answers given were pretty interesting. Thanks anons.

>>584731

>Many scholars strangely believe marriage, sex, and childbearing were merely created to perpetuate humanity amidst mortality, even though God did not create those things with mortality as the main purpose. It also does no make sense that God commanded them to have joy and blend in marital delight before the fall as if the fall wouldn't happen if the whole point was to offset the effects of the fall, sin, and death. But no the main purpose of marriage, sex, and childbearing are for God's glory and were intended to be done even if Adam and Eve never sinned. I'm still making that thing about marriage and the after-life. I swear! Don't shoot me!

But

>I don't have a gun though

The talk of marriage is intriguing indeed. Matthew 22:30

>For when the dead rise to life, they will be like the angels of heaven and will not marry.

It seems like the union between husband and wife was designed to be only in this world. I must confess, that does make me feel a little sad in some regard. But then since Adam and Eve were designed to procreate, I wonder if they would have gotten married in the Garden. Of course, this is getting into speculations, and like the anon above me says, we have to wait until we meet Jesus to get an answer.

>>584745

Looks like I broke it again with a new concept. Delete yourself.

>>584701

*Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are two different stories of Creation. The first one resembles the "all around" so to speak. It centers on "there was nothing but God and then God made everything". The second one tells us specifically about how humans were made - how God gave part of Himself (the breath, our soul) to bring us into being. And it illustrates that we humans are weak and that only through obedience to God are we able to receive glory through God as we glorify Him.

*As I wrote in the other thread about evolution: Genesis is not a documentation. It is not meant to be taken literal, because it is an attempt to even GRASP how God made us and everything. A theological "treatise" on Creation so to speak.

*Regarding the chronology, see the first two posts in this thread >>584704 and >>584706