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Are you going to hell? Depends on whether or not you're saved.

>>581852

Hermetic Kitten

FPBP

vid related, mai waifu. wish she wasn't such a fedora

are you masturbating with it? then, yes. are you doing it to stimulate your lust? then it's a venial sin, but one you should still avoid because it has your full consent behind it (on top of it still being a sin)

>is X a sin?

[X = you listening to ASMR]

1: does the Bible explicitly mention X as sin?

2: could a strong case be made that X is implicitly sinful according to scripture?

3: could X cause your brother to stumble?

4: is X illegal?

5: would it be improper to ask God to bless X and use X for His own good purposes?

i'd say:

1: no

2: no

3: no (not without imagining up some really bizarre unfeasible scenario)

4: no

5: no (stretch, but if you're well-rested thanks to this weird thing, you'd be better prepared for good works, so it's beneficial)

>>581863

I'm using it as a crutch. I'm not living up to God's expectation of me which is either to remain celibate (which I don't have the strength to do) or to find and love a real woman, but instead I get fake affection over the internet from a stranger who doesn't even know me.

If it's not a sin then why does it feel like one?

>>581868

>I'm using it as a crutch

i don't see anything inherently wrong with that.

but if you feel like because you're doing this, it's hindering you from accomplishing something you believe God is expecting of you (find and love a real woman,) and your gut is telling you it's a sin, then stop.

i don't think causing yourself to need it (love, affection, companionship) more is going to make you more likely to obtain it though. obviously a lack of motivation isn't what's holding you back.

Affection and love should be saved for marriage. God designed us to function as man and wife, not man and waifu. Seems like a sin to me.

I'd say it's wrong because it's a self-centered indulgence in a physical sensation which is often brought on by explicitly erotic, or at the very least pseudo-sexual, stimulation involving videos of attractive young women, who deliberately use their appearance to attract male audiences.

Now, if you are watching some Bob Ross, or a video of some Outer-Hebridean pebble-arranging, and the sensation hits you unexpectedly, then clearly there's nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is deliberately seeking out the sensation for its own sake, doping yourself into artificial relaxation and contentment (principally the same as taking drugs only without lasting damaging effects), and the aforementioned erotic associations. The people who make these videos also trade on creating a false sense of intimacy by creating sounds which you would only naturally hear if your loved one was present and in a state of physical intimacy with you. To boil it down, this means there are at least three things I can see at a first glance which are wrong with it:

1. Self-indulgence in physical sensation

2. Indulgence in the explicitly erotic or at least pseudo-sexual elements

3. Some level of substitution of real intimacy as part of a loving relationship for fake intimacy

>>581987

>1. Self-indulgence in physical sensation

why is this wrong?

would scratching your own back fall under this category?

>>581999

Probably not, because you can't sit there for hours wasting away your time and retreating into your own little world of gratification-loops by scratching your back. It also feels nice for reason - it has the practical purpose of exfoliating the skin on your back which is easy to neglect because it's not in front of you, and after you've done it for a few seconds the nice sensation goes away. Common sense prevails.

Perhaps there are people out there who have managed to make a fetish out of back-scratching. In that case the moral character of the activity is changed, and you are no longer talking about the same thing.

>>582004

>sit there for hours wasting away your time and retreating into your own little world of gratification-loop

>it has the practical purpose of […]

the guy mentioned he uses ASMR to help him sleep, that's pretty practical.

i agree that it would be a complete waste of his time if he's just sitting in a chair doing this thing in the daytime instead of something more productive, sort of like this conversation.

>>582008

There are much better ways to help you sleep, like staying away from bright computer monitors for at least half an hour or so before you go to bed (or, if you can't manage that, installing something like f.lux).

>>581851

mfw everything is so simple and easy

>>581849

>Is it a sin to enjoy ASMR?

>Is it a sin to enjoy autonomous sensory meridian responses?

No and neither is it sinful to enjoy hot showers.

>>586553

>deliberately

That's the operative word, man. There's nothing explicitly wrong with getting tingles and relaxation from asmr videos, but people should avoid hussies that deliberately use the medium to show themselves immodestly for financial gain.

>>586555

The question is "Is it a sin to enjoy ASMR?" and the anon I replied to stated that it is wrong.

>>586556

Fair enough

>>581863

1: does the Bible explicitly mention X as sin?

yeah it does. this is idolatry, which is a sin

all tv, sports and competitions, videogames, popular books like harry potter, twitch idols, musicals are idols, and this is idolatry, including op's pic

pomo has a twitch which she gets thousands of donations each month, and panders to lonely males who worship her

its all idolatry

coping with denial doesnt change anything

>>586598

>this is idolatry

how?

there's no image (idol) or worship (latria) involved in most of the examples you gave.

where are you getting your definition of idolatry, and how would you define it?

>all tv, sports and competitions, videogames, popular books like harry potter, twitch idols, musicals are idols, and this is idolatry, including op's pic

and you're just naming things, but idolatry is a type of action, not a type of thing.

is it idolatrous to own a harry potter book?

is it idolatrous to kneel before a harry potter book?

is it idolatrous to kneel before an altar dedicated to a harry potter book and pray to it?

where are you drawing the line?

>>581855

you’re fucked lad

i used to like asmr when i was single, now i have a gf and she just gives me a massage before i fall asleep most nights

much better this way tbh

>>586685

>some whore

Why are you so disrespectful?

>>581852

I just wish TingTing didn't look like such a thot in half her thumbnails. Her second channel's even worse. Still better than Delicate Raindrops, I guess.

>>581860

>Fedora

Ephemeral Rift is horrible about this, I actually wanted to punch him when he called God an imaginary friend.

>>587100

don't watch him, watch massageasmr instead, much better

>>587363

>people regularly worship all the things i listed all time.

>harry potter item collection, book signings by the author of happy potter is literally worship, paying money to go to concerts and worship the musician and buy his clothing, sports is all worship with stuff like paying for expensive tickets and keeping brand loyalty, etc

>all of this is very plain idol worship

so, any interest/patronage in something is worship?

these lines you've drawn seem really arbitrary and absurd to me.

i'm not seeing the reasoning behind them.

this always happens when someone thinks the viewpoint they're asserting is just common sense (you've said yourself it's "very plain".)

explain it to me like i'm an alien robot with no common sense, what qualifies as worship, what doesn't, and why? back your assertions with scripture if possible.

Lusting after women is sinful, and depending on your own interior workings, mortally sinful. St. Alphonsus said that sins against the 6th and 9th commandment are almost always mortally sinful. The devil tempts with a fishing hook, but with lust he uses a net. Don't get dragged to hell by those types of women and just be pure and chaste and prepare yourself to be ready for your future spouse, if that is what you think God is calling you to. Pray for her as well. Just ask yourself if your future wife found you looking at it how she would react, or even better yet, the Blessed Mother. You know in your heart it is wrong and sinful which is why you have these scruples. We are supposed to be defenders and upholders of the virtue and purity of women and if you think you're doing that by lusting after a girl then you're dead wrong.

>>587372

>so, any interest/patronage in something is worship?

basically. it all takes away from God, and our God is a jealous and consuming one

>explain it to me like i'm an alien robot with no common sense, what qualifies as worship, what doesn't, and why? back your assertions with scripture if possible.

worship

1.

the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity.

in the case of harry potter, the fans worship the author and the books with collection memorabilia, getting book signings, hanging posters on the walls, expressing their love for the books and adoration for the movies, etc. this moves away from God and becomes their deity, basically. insulting the franchise often times gets you harassed by the devoted followers of the harry potter cult

and its was quite normal for a long time for people to live their entire lives around God, and nothing else. only after humanism became popular have people moved away from God, and especially now with the internet and media, people have never been further away from God, but its still sin, all of it.

An idol is anything that replaces the one, true God

Psalm 115:4-8 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands.

5 They have mouths, but they speak not; eyes have they, but they see not.

6 They have ears, but they hear not; noses have they, but they smell not.

7 They have hands, but they handle not; feet have they, but they walk not; neither speak they through their throat.

8 They that make them are like unto them; so is everyone that trusteth in them.

Matthew 4:8-10 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

8 Again, the devil took Him up onto an exceeding high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them,

9 and said unto Him, “All these things will I give Thee if Thou wilt fall down and worship me.”

10 Then said Jesus unto him, “Get thee hence, Satan! For it is written: ‘Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.’”

Revelation 9:20-21 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

20 And the rest of the men, who were not killed by these plagues, yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold and silver, and brass and stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk;

21 neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

the correct way to live life and to serve God is a monk like life that revolves around NOTHING but God, ideally to become a eunuch as well, just to help stopping sin and sexual lust

>>587402

>worship: the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity.

>this moves away from God and becomes their deity

how?

a deity isn't something you like, a deity is a god, something attributed with divine status (regardless of whether or not it actually exists.)

someone liking a thing doesn't give it divine status.

i love my wife, i am loyal to my wife, i have photos of my wife, i would harrass people who insult my wife, that doesn't mean my wife is a god, nor does she take the place of God.

>God wants you to cut your johnson off and completely shun everything but God

i don't think so, this view is unrealistic and unbiblical.

take a peek at 1 Corinthians 5:9-10

<9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people.

<10 In no way did I mean the immoral people of this world, or the greedy and swindlers and idolaters, since you would then have to go out of the world.

we are to be in the world, but not of the world.

set apart, but focused on sanctification rather than isolation.

<13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its flavor, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled on by people!

<14 You are the light of the world. A city located on a hill cannot be hidden.

<15 People do not light a lamp and put it under a basket but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all in the house.

<16 In the same way, let your light shine before people, so that they can see your good deeds and give honor to your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:13-16)

isolation would hinder us from doing the great commission, enjoying reading fiction wouldn't.

>>587416

>a deity isn't something you like

i very clearly and plainly showed that idolatry doesnt just have to be with gods, but with money or "the work of men's hands". this passage very clearly shows that anything that takes the place of God is idolatry

>someone liking a thing doesn't give it divine status

worshiping something other than God makes it your idol, which in a sense does give it divine status. money isnt God, but still its sinner's idol in the scripture i quoted previously

>i love my wife, i am loyal to my wife, i have photos of my wife, i would harrass people who insult my wife, that doesn't mean my wife is a god, nor does she take the place of God.

God should be the most important figure in your life, and anything that you worship that takes the place of God is idolatry, which is sin. also

Matthew 10:35-38 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

35 For I am come to ‘set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.’

36 And ‘a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.’

37 He that loveth father or mother more than Me, is not worthy of Me. And he that loveth son or daughter more than Me, is not worthy of Me.

38 And he that taketh not his cross and followeth after Me, is not worthy of Me.

>>God wants you to cut your johnson off and completely shun everything but God

>i don't think so, this view is unrealistic and unbiblical.

Matthew 19:12 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

12 For there are some eunuchs who were so born from their mother’s womb, and there are some eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.”

>isolation would hinder us from doing the great commission

Luke 12:51-53 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

51 Suppose ye that I have come to give peace on earth? I tell you, nay, but rather division.

52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided: three against two, and two against three.

53 The father shall be divided against the son and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter and the daughter against the mother; the mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”

i dont necessarily mean isolation in the sense that you never see anyone again because you're a hermit in the mountains, i mean it in the sense you leave everything behind and entirely focus on God, reading and interpreting the scripture to the best of your abilities, and removing all idols and trying as hard to abstain from sin as possible, similar to how a monk would live. this can be done in a group setting, why not

>>581849

This seems extremely degenerate

>>587402

>>so, any interest/patronage in something is worship?

>>basically. it all takes away from God, and our God is a jealous and consuming one

autism

>>581880

I do agree with this, as long as it's not stopping you from living your life and following the bible, it's alright.

But, when you start going "my waifu" and ignoring real woman, that is when sinning starts

>>587436

>i very clearly and plainly showed that idolatry doesnt just have to be with gods, but with money or "the work of men's hands".

i don't think so.

what's being described in the Revelation and Psalm passage are their idols (which were actual graven images of pseudo-divine things) and how they can't actually speak though they have mouths, and how they have hands but can handle not, etc.

these graven images are "the word of men's hands"

the "gold and silver" are the material some of them are made out of, it's not talking about money.

i don't see how you can read it as saying that idols (as used in these contexts) can be anything other than depictions of deities.

i agree that we could (but absolutely shouldn't) allow anything to take God's rightful place in our lives.

but, that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't enjoy anything else.

>Matthew 19:12

that verse is less scary in its context,

i read the third type of eunuch (who have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven’s sake) as one who became a eunuch for following verse 9

<Now I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another commits adultery.”

they're no longer using their member (making them effectively a eunuch) to avoid fornication, since they're no longer married and shouldn't marry another, rather than taking a dagger to it and chopping it off.

>i mean it in the sense you leave everything behind and entirely focus on God, reading and interpreting the scripture to the best of your abilities

how would we live if everyone followed this?

we need people to grow crops, carpenters, doctors, bakers, janitors, raise children, etc. (not the best examples but you probably get my point)

i think some people are called to do so, but not everyone, and you're not a living incorrectly as a Christian or failing to serve God to the best of your abilities for not doing so.

>>587466

>the "gold and silver" are the material some of them are made out of, it's not talking about money.

i actually think you might be right about this, but still the bible pretty heavily looks down on money in general, in either case

>but, that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't enjoy anything else.

yes it does, just because you enjoy tv doesnt mean its not sin. television programs like harry potter are modern day idols that are worshiped like gods and take away from God, and this is idolatry and this is a sin. in biblical times they used statues, but in today's times its .jpg files and movies and rare collectible toys you bought of amazon

>we need people to grow crops,

yes, this is called work, and people should work on all days except on the sabbath, the new moon and the lunar holidays and festivals. im pretty sure God doesnt say everyone should be a monk, and there are different types of people involved in the work of preaching the bible, heres just an example

Ephesians 4:11-16 King James Version (KJV)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

>i think some people are called to do so, but not everyone, and you're not a living incorrectly as a Christian or failing to serve God to the best of your abilities for not doing so.

i agree with this

>i read the third type of eunuch (who have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven’s sake) as one who became a eunuch for following verse 9

>since they're no longer married and shouldn't marry another, rather than taking a dagger to it and chopping it off.

but im saying that is exactly what the bible says, that if you're able to receive it, you should chop your balls off. the bible is very pro chopy-chopy to parts of your body that make you sin, and your testicles cause you to sin. the libido is 100% caused by the testicles, and castrated men do not have a libido. 93 to 95% of the bodys testostetone is made in the testicles, and testosterone is like the antithetical chemical to Christianity, because it causes aggression and sexual lust

some pro chopy-chopy verses

Matthew 5:29 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

29 And if thy right eye cause thee to fall, pluck it out and cast it from thee; for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 18:8 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

8 Therefore if thy hand or thy foot cause thee to fall, cut them off and cast them from thee; it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into everlasting fire.

Mark 9:43-48 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

43 And if thy hand cause thee to fall, cut it off. It is better for thee to enter into life maimed than, having two hands, to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched,

44 where ‘their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.’

45 And if thy foot cause thee to fall, cut it off. It is better for thee to enter halt into life than, having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched,

46 where ‘their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.’

47 And if thine eye cause thee to fall, pluck it out. It is better for thee to enter into the Kingdom of God with one eye than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire,

48 where ‘their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.’

>>587549

i actually do have aspergers or high functioning autism, but character attacks dont invalidate any of the points i made

here, have more fuel to make fun of me. im a 27 virgin who isnt a properly functioning member of society, lives of government assistance and im heavily balding

>>587677

You're in the right. Good for you for carrying your crosses.

>>587677

While I'm sure there is some autist (like yourself) out there literally worshiping some slant eye whispering into the mic, but I'm like 99% sure OP (and the majority of people that watch ASMR) are not LITERALLY worshiping the people that make it and you should quite frankly be ashamed you've grouped it with a sin as grave as idolatry because what? He posted an image? Iconoclast retard pls go.

And if your argument is "people spend money on it" number one, not the majority, and number two you're one to talk about people spending money on shit mister government assistance t. other man living on government assistance

>>588292

>she takes away from God and our God is a jealous and consuming one

This seems a little silly, because it implies that if you, or anyone else watching ppome, weren't spending her time watching her, that time would be spent in prayer or whatever. It's like the folks that use the "bodily exercise profiteth nothing" passage to say that if you spend an hour jogging you're in sin.

>>588292

>and im telling you it is and its a sin to worship her and listen to her. she takes away from God and our God is a jealous and consuming one. we need to acknowledge its a sin and start the mental process of moving away from this idolatry. so much denial and delusion in this thread

This is like saying that posting on here is a sin because you could be praying instead.

Once again I do think listening to these people is sinful but really dude?

>>588297

well the time they spend watching pomo they whorship her and love her and give her reverence, which is idolatry.

>because it implies that if you, or anyone else watching ppome, weren't spending her time watching her, that time would be spent in prayer or whatever

it doesnt necessarily. if they correct their behavior and stop worshipping their asmr idol, then the time they spent worshiping pomo would be spent on something biblically approved. i dont know what the bible says your time should be devoted too, but i do know pomo is idolatry. maybe family or work or talking about the bible or worshiping God? i dont know what the bible says you should do with your free time

but when you listen to pomo for 2 hours and she makes you feel relaxed and gives you warm feelings, you dont need God as much. she becomes the one who relaxes you and takes away your stress and your need for God lessens, and the possible time that you could be talking about God, or reading the bible or in prayer is lessened.

>>588297

> "bodily exercise profiteth nothing" passage to say that if you spend an hour jogging you're in sin

im actually glad you told me this because i didnt know about it and now i can stop going to the gym although it is unfortunate that i spent 190$ for a year long subscription at a local cheap gym a month ago ill probably read other people's opinion on it, but probably ill stop going to the gym

>>588302

>This is like saying that posting on here is a sin because you could be praying instead.

this is actually very incorrect because this place is very special. this is literally a church. the etymology of the word church is a "congregation of people", which is what this place is, and we all came here to talk about and worship God. this place is not sin because we get to openly discuss anything on our mind without persecution, and we get to rebuke eachother and correct eachother

infact poster >>588297 seemed to suggest that going to the gym is bad and quite possibly rebuked me going to the gym, which is fantastic. you know, i only went to the gym because i listened to a lot of university scientist talks on the benefits of exercise, and they seemed convincing, and i didnt even know that the bible even mentioned it.

infact this place is very special because its actually the only place where we can freely discuss God. in real life churches, we would get silenced, emotionally screamed at, and shunned if we suggest any idea that the people in power find offensive, but here we have free speech, and need to be rebuked in order to be silenced. infact i believe the whole reason why 8chan got popular was because on 4ch's /pol/ there was a lot of censorship, so people escaped to this place

>Once again I do think listening to these people is sinful but really dude?

yes dude, really

>>588319

>this is actually very incorrect because this place is very special. this is literally a church. the etymology of the word church is a "congregation of people", which is what this place is, and we all came here to talk about and worship God. this place is not sin because we get to openly discuss anything on our mind without persecution, and we get to rebuke eachother and correct eachother

What you're saying is still insane though, you seem to be suggesting that anything you do which could be otherwise be directed at worshiping God is sinful. Which is insane.

>im actually glad you told me this because i didnt know about it and now i can stop going to the gym

Don't.

>seemed to suggest that going to the gym is bad and quite possibly rebuked me going to the gym

No, he's saying that proof texting stupid things like that is insane. Which is what I'm saying.

>>588343

>you seem to be suggesting that anything you do which could be otherwise be directed at worshiping God is sinful. Which is insane.

im suggesting that most things, like videogames or worshipping music idols, or youtube idols, or competitive sports or televisions are sinful

>>im actually glad you told me this because i didnt know about it and now i can stop going to the gym

>Don't.

well you need to backup your opinion with biblical scripture if you want it to hold any weight in the conversation. and the guy previously quoted a verse that looked down on physical exercise

>No, he's saying that proof texting stupid things like that is insane. Which is what I'm saying.

well if you're suggest that reading and interpreting every small detail the bible is stupid and insane, then its hard for me to respect your opinion, because this is the formal definition of apostasy

a·pos·ta·sy

noun

the abandonment or renunciation of a religious or political belief.

>>588376

>im suggesting that most things, like videogames or worshipping music idols, or youtube idols, or competitive sports or televisions are sinful

I think you are suffering from scrupulosity.

>well you need to backup your opinion with biblical scripture if you want it to hold any weight in the conversation. and the guy previously quoted a verse that looked down on physical exercise

And I think you are misreading what he said. Do you often have trouble understanding what others say, especially sarcasm and the like?

>>588385

character attacks on people you find offensive or whom emotionally trigger you do nothing to rebuke them

you wouldnt happen to be a woman by chance, would you?

>>588319

> now i can stop going to the gym

1 Timothy 4:8

For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

Ephesians 5

15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

The commandment is to manage our time as stewards of God. I've got Caroline in one ear and Alex Scourby in Ecclesiastes right now… am I sinning? Do I sin when I sleep, because I'm not directly serving God with that time?

I agree that this is a good board, but I dunno about calling it a church… there's no unity here. More akin to a church council than a church.

>>588428

lets look at the 2 verses you quoted. you said:

>1 Timothy 4:8

>For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

at first glance to me atleast, it looks like its talking about physical exercise, but after researching it a bit, there seems to be a lot of different opinions on the subject, most of which are more educated than i am. at this point already i feel as if my knowledge and competence of the subject isnt enough to discern what the verse means

here is some places i was looking at

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_timothy/4-8.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BA5_zsiYZI

this guy does not interpret the verse as actual physical exercise

7:39 is when he starts talking about this exact verse. i dont know how long he talks about it because i only listened until 10:00

please note i DO NOT agree with robert breaker on a lot of things, but i dont mind taking his interpretations on the bible, especially on subjects as benign as physical exercise

i honestly dont know what this verse means, sorry

the second verse you quoted

Ephesians 5

15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

>The commandment is to manage our time as stewards of God

yes i agree, its talking about being careful and wise and managing time

>I've got Caroline in one ear and Alex Scourby in Ecclesiastes right now… am I sinning

well if this is some biblical audio reading then no

>Do I sin when I sleep, because I'm not directly serving God with that time?

what kind of disingenuous garbage question is this. no you are not sinning, you need sleep to survive

>I agree that this is a good board, but I dunno about calling it a church… there's no unity here. More akin to a church council than a church.

once again the etymology of the word church is any congregation of people coming together to speak about and worship God, be it online or offline. whats the difference between a church council and a church?

>there's no unity here

unity is largely looked down in the bible

Luke 12:51 (KJ21)

51 Suppose ye that I have come to give peace on earth? I tell you, nay, but rather division.

>>588385

>I think you are suffering from scrupulosity.

and i think you are suffering from apostasy and from a lack of bible reading

Titus 1:9 (KJ21)

9 holding fast the faithful Word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

1 Timothy 4:13 (KJ21)

13 Until I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine

>>588466

>What's the difference between a church council and a church?

>Unity is largely looked down upon in the bible

Not unity, but compromise. Read through these passages and tell me that a congregation should be divided on what they believe.

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=KJV&quicksearch=one+accord&begin=51&end=51

If you worship Ppomo then you're sinning, if you don't then you're not. Your argument that her service pulls people away from a rightly jealous God falls apart when you realize that they most likely wouldn't be redeeming their time (Eph 5) otherwise.

it's not but take it from a middle aged man, western women in particular are corrupt. it's a fact of life until the Lord's second coming

OP your answer is no, there is nothing explicitly making the feeling of ASMR a sin. There are however verses like romans 14:23

>And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

And 1 corinthians 14:26

>How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

So the better question, for those deliberately using ASMR, and even physical excercise, is are you following 1 corinthians 14:26? Also see 1 corinthians 10:23

>All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

>>581849

What is ASMR..quick rundown? Anyone?

I searched for it but it was kind of weird…just some sounds made by a chick on the video…is that it?

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>>587677

Yes they do because it's not idolatry to be a fan of someone, you nitwit. Idolatry is religious worship. Two seperate things.