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>>579336

>gondola as Jesus

Delete this blasphemy.

>>579337

In that universe its not

>>579338

>Ο Ω Ν

>not Jesus

I said DELETE THIS

Is it true that believing Genesis 1 is literal is a more prevalent view than, say, 1000 years ago?

>>579336

DELET

>>579336

I was hoping there would be legitimate discussion itt. I think mutations occur, but on a very small scale. Evolutionists also believe this, but they extrapolate these small observable mutations and mistakenly try to create their own cosmology from it. This is when they encounter many problems regarding causation, the main one being when life first comes into being. It is pretty much impossible to have happened as they say, especially to reach this current point in time. I think God creating life is more likely than it being due to some lucky septillion-sided dice rolls.

>>580143

Why can't it be that God provided the spark of life and life evolved from there?

>>580166

Though that would solve some of the logical and probability problems, it contradicts the biblical account in Genesis, where God makes organisms individually, including man in His image.

The spark for life would probably be the self-replicating RNA sequence that is speculated to have evolved into life, but there are many more problems, such as how that RNA sequence became a cell, and how that cell became eukaryotic and multicellular, etc. God would have to do much more than just provide a spark, and the God doing it would not be the one in the bible.

>>579337

>>579340

>>579344

>>580187

>it's ok to depict Jesus as a man

<it's NOT ok to depict Jesus as a gondola

inconsistency

>>580170

What reason is there to take the account in Genesis as what literally happened?

>>580191

a)Humans are made in image and likeness of God

b)Jesus is fully man while fully God

now SCRAM

>>580196

>a)Humans are made in image and likeness of God

So?

>b)Jesus is fully man while fully God

Yes and as God we are to worship Him but we are forbidden to depict God see Deuteronomy 4:15-18.

>>580201

Depiction =\= idol. Get this through your thick skulls, americans.

>>580192

Because it's the word of God? If you're gonna throw out Genesis, why not throw out the Gospels?

>>580210

The gospels actually carry weight as historical documents.

>>580211

>God's word is literally worthless mythology

I hope you don't call yourself a Christian

>>580205

That passage says no images of God, without exception

>>580201

The entire act of becoming man is a depiction of God.

Get out of here muslim.

>>580213

Just because it's not literally true (protip: it's not) doesn't mean it has no value. God's word should be able to hold up to textual criticism.

>>580216

Liberalism is incompatible with Christianity

>>580214

God explicitly forbids images of Himself. That fact remains

>muslim

pagan

>>580218

This has nothing to do with liberalism. Why do you bury your head in the sand and call it faith? True faith is based in reason.

>>580219

>Why do you bury your head in the sand and call it faith?

Mark 10:15

>reason

vain human philosophy*

>>580223

don't post Bible quotes here and then give me this igtheist bullshit as if the Scripture isn't based in rationality

>>580226

*verses not quotes

>>580231

>>580232

>what I learned in this thread

>you care more about an arbitrary art style only being used in a certain way, than the what the word of God might say

>at the same time as this, you still have no problem depicting Jesus with long hair, despite 1 Cor. 11:14

Hmm.

>>580226

>>580227

When he says reason he means vain human philosophy (evolution).

Does this answer your question?

>>580226

Rationality doesn't exist.

>>579340

What does the N mean?

>>580201

>see Deuteronomy 4:15-18

Sup rabbi how do you like /christian/ so far

>>580242

>x doesn't exist xD

>durr i got my first epistemology class xD

>HAHA DON'T YOU SEE RATIONALITY DOESN'T EXIST NOW LET ME USE RATIONALITY TO EXPLAIN HOW XD

>>580266

hello to you too, Marcion

>>580259

Ο ων is the name of God given in Exodus 3:14 in the LXX (εγω ειμι ο ων / אהיה אשר אהיה / I AM HE WHO IS or some variation thereof in English). It is this verse Jesus alludes to to obliquely identify himself as God in John 8:58 (πριν Αβρααμ γενεσθαι, εγω ειμι, before Abraham, I am). So ΟΩΝ is naturally a title reserved for Jesus in iconography.

>>579336

>Darwinism is so beautiful

except it makes no sense without some sort of intelligence guiding it and structuring the laws it follows

saying that molecules just randomly come together and then try to "survive" and "reproduce" on their own makes no sense, they dunno wtf is going on

>>579336

>>579336

Micro-evolution definitely exists, macro-evolution not proven, suspiciously tied into mystery occultism/Gnosticism narrative for my tastes, ie. Life is improving physically and spiritually, moving ever closer to Godhood.

I found this old 4chan thing laying around and found it amusing.

>>580286

Ah thanks

>>579336

>What does /Christian/ think about evolution?

Anyone who is thinking will see that evolution is a crock of pseudo-scientific bullshit dispensed at the behest of the pro-satan catholics in response to the protestant reformation. Other bullshit nuggets they provided include heliocentrism and the copernican 'model' of the universe…outer space and all that nonsense.

>Darwinism is so beautiful and it totally doesn't contradict the original sin and 7 day creation.

There's no such thing as "darwinism".

On this topic, I highly recommend reading a short book called "biosingularity" by mason vigil. Free if you have amazon prime, cheap if you don't. Totally opened up my eyes and my mind.

>>580317

Not really sure what the point of that is, or claiming "magic". God has the power to create and to give life. It's really not that hard to grasp.

What leads you to believe that YOU, the human, are as good as it gets…or maybe "space aliens" seeded us (but who created them)?

The simple fact that all creation has scientifically verifiable structure and order proves it was designed/engineered and created. Believing that everything just randomly became what it is "because long spans of time" is not only ridiculous, it's apex stupid.

Early humans, like Adam and Eve, lived for centuries, and while the initial offspring were a result of incest (Eve gave birth to two twins, 1 boy 1 girl each, who interbred), as they propagated their seed the natural process of ADAPTATION took place at a cellular level and enabled humans to prosper in the various regions of earth.

>>580317

neither chart makes any sense

what exactly are they even supposed to represent, clearly not evolutionism or creation as a whole

>>579336

Darwinism is a lie.

There exists a natural selection that "decides

which genetics go on versus which do not. This is not random chance as Darwinists believe but was carefully guided by God.

>>580166

That would be deism, which is heretical.

>>580657

>no thoughtful christian

>posts a platonist