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76ee17 No.576560

It seems like the argument man has only been growing more and more sympathetic to Christianity over the recent years. Will he finally do it? Will he ever begome :DDD?

4bda52 No.576562

>>576560

He was once Christian in the past. He mentioned it in the Rubin Report interview.


651efb No.576563

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4bae5d No.576607

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I get the feeling that he's in search of the logos. Vid related. See how he can't fathom what brought an end to the senseless slaughter, to the point that it brings him to tears. However he himself says it: Jesus.

There's another instance of this kind of seeking after the logos in one of his videos, but I can't remember exactly which. Pair that with his interview with Prager wherein he understands the futility of morality without God, yet holds to a Randian ethical system, as if not being able to put two and two together.

There are three obstacles to Stefan reaching the logos, as far as I can see:

1. His idol is Ayn Rand.

2. He has a naturalist worldview by default, not being familiar with theology or logic regarding theology.

3. He does not know much about Christianity.

In terms of addressing these issues:

1. He needs to let go of this idol. You cannot serve two masters. Understanding the limitations of Ayn Rand would be a great pebble in his foot:

i. Her hypocrisy - using government benefits.

ii. The futility of her ethical systems.

a. Understanding that a functional ethical system that is to be followed by rational men needs to be objective AND universal. Egotism is NOT universal and does not solve the conundrum of morality without God. It remains entirely her opinion of what a functional ethical system should be - because she is an equal in essence to those who would follow her ethical system, then it remains her opinion, and not truth.

b. The NAP is artificial and counter-nature. Again, there is no authority behind the NAP, it's simply a system that functions to create a "good" (from a Christian-derived worldview) ethical system. Without an anchor, one cannot justifiably reason this to someone else.

c. Stefan clearly believes in the concept of altruism. Rand believes that altruism has no place in her worldview.

d. A Christian worldview both fulfills the requirements of a reasonable ethical system (being both Objective and Universal) AND coincides with natural law in that it points out what bears bad fruit (e.g. homosexuality) and what bears good fruit, while at the same time recognizing that much of this is contrary to our nature, as we are fallen. Stefan seems to understand natural law and to even follow it, which is good.

2. He needs to do reading of Christian philosophers and theologians, as well as critics of naturalism. He appears to have insulated himself from these. For example - he has the presupposition that there does not exist the supernatural, therefore he completely bars himself from believing in God by default. Case in point: his biggest concern with Christianity is the impossible deeds and miracles of the Old Testament. However - this is a non-issue if there indeed is a God, because doing the supernatural to Him who stands above nature is no big deal. In the same manner, a piece of software has rules and restrictions that it cannot break - but because a programmer stands above his creation, he has the free will to break these conditions at his leisure. It's simple logic.

Is it possible to load two of every animal for weeks into a single vessel, keeping them all alive? No, that's preposterous. However, because this is the will of God, who is master over the rules pertaining to what is possible, this is logical, and indeed possible through God - all things are possible through Him. What is equally absurd is a world without God - that these rules are here for no reason, bringing themselves into creation from nothing for no reason, and sustaining themselves upon nothing. This is as much of an impossibility as Noah doing what he did without God.

3. Stefan regularly conflates cults with Christianity, the biggest offender being Mormonism. Additionally, he is usually has confounding comments in regards to Christianity when he talks about anything except very high level stuff. There is a clear ignorance here that would be solved by, again, reading Christian theologians as well as the Bible.


ebc416 No.576614

>>576607

I don't think he was ever a Randroid. Maybe he agrees with Rand on some things and admires her but he used to be an anrcho-capitallist which is something Rand was totally against. Also Molyneux considers himself a philosopher and came up with his own ethical justicication of libertarianism different from Rand, Rothbard, etc. He is now more pragmatic and I think although still libertarian at heart understands that preserving Western civilization is more important as there will never be any liberty outside of the West anyway.


4fc224 No.577282

You don't, he's conning everyone, about everything he says, about anything, to shill for pateron shekels. He's covering all the bases to appeal to everyone. I remember when he made the video about starting to rely on donations; said he wanted to "get ride of this boring old white back ground" and "get better equipment". He's still using that boring old white background and no noticeable quality increase in his conent.

I think he's lying about being agnosyic, he's atheist but his god his Money.

Besides he had XxXEdgehammer666666XxX on Christmas special video. Inviting a Satanist cryptocuck onto a Christmas video isnt showing me he gives a care about Christianity.

I'm not even going to go into all his other lies about his "entrepreneur, jack off all trades" (((Canadian))) past constantly.

He should be ashamed of himself.


5336c4 No.577286

>>577282

There's definitely been an increase in his videos visual qualities, do you not agree?

Also what lies are you talking about? Actually interested


4fc224 No.577303

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>>577286

No I wouldn't. Still just him standing on front of a white screen. Might have gotten a slightly better cam but I'm some cases looks like it dropped.

I dont believe all the stuff he says about his past. He was all those things, ex-singer programmer actor philosopher with all these different backgrounds.


1e5714 No.577311

>>577303

He still is in front of a white background, but I honestly think that's for the best. I'm pretty sure there are examples of him playing with other options, but white remains the best option so I have no problem with that remaining the same. Video quality is definitely up, and as far as these images you specifically only went back to 2014 and specifically choose a short spur of the moment type video for the most recent, and choose a frame in which he's seemingly moving.

I don't really get how having various backgrounds can be that hard to believe. I wouldn't usually describe my life like this, but I can honestly say that I have studied Computer Science in college, worked on a farm, and worked multiple hardware stores, both small scale and big box. Further if my plans fold out as I would like them to then in a few years I could say all of that and that I have lived out of a van on a months long road trip, have built up multiple hobbies and made some money off of them, and have begun homesteading for at least a decent amount of essentials. If you don't get too sucked into just living one career and not doing anything else, not to hate, it's not too hard to accumulate a decent bit of things too talk about>>577303


1e5714 No.577312

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32725c No.577315

I always thought it was funny how he labels his set of axioms as "philosophy". It's like taking Ayn Rand's joke of labeling her paradigm as "objectivism" to the logical conclusion. Hey guys I invented a new calculus, I call it "math".

Anyways, Molyneux was an ex Christian who now reads the Bible ironically. He mentioned on one of his first appearances on the Joe Rogan podcast that when he reads the Bible to his daughter, she jumps up and down on the bed chanting, "Lucifer was right, Lucifer was right!" and even semi-gnostic Joe Rogan was taken aback. In his earlier YT videos, Molyneux's main focus was anti-Christianity and was like a reddit-tier snark; totally unbearable to listen to, leveling trite atheisms for hours at a time as he drove around town.

He dog whistles to Christians a lot, but that's mostly to acquire donations. I'm sure the countless emails that people are "praying for you!" subtexted along with donations has affected his strategy for wealth extraction, The man is loaded on Christbucks.


1e5714 No.577320

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>He mentioned on one of his first appearances on the Joe Rogan podcast that when he reads the Bible to his daughter, she jumps up and down on the bed chanting, "Lucifer was right, Lucifer was right!" and even semi-gnostic Joe Rogan was taken aback.

This is the kind of thing where he is actually lying. There's literally no way that he could just be reading the Bible to le peacefully parented child and then they somehow put together who Lucifer is in the context of other stories and decided he did nothing wrong without repeated coaxing, but that doesn't even matter as it obviously is just completely made up.


0d5f88 No.577351

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>I'm a christian

<I'm an atheist

>No wait I'm a agnostic

<But I'm still an anarchist

>Wait actually I support government a little bit

<I'm a libertarian now

>The altright is good

<I'm a Trump republican now

>The altright is bad

<The church is good and helped built western civilization

>The church is bad and the priest class were basically sjws

<Christian morals are good

>There is no such thing as morals only universally preferred behavior

<Collaborate constantly with non-christians/atheists

>I would never ask for money

<Asks for money


290bea No.577353

>>577320

Children can be possessed you know.


c1f53b No.577482

>>577351

When did he say he was a Christian?

He is an atheist essentially, but he might use the reddit level agnostic facade.

He believes in the NAP and keeping contracts which leads him to disapprove of the monopoly on initiating aggression, but if he is pragmatic then he might approve of using one limb of that monopoly to chop of another in preparation for the necessary violent revolution, along with changing the party dynamics so more will fight with him instead of fighting back.

The "altright" has been a divided community as long as it has existed and during the election the term was stretched to the point of madness, so approving and disapproving of the altright isn't that hard.

The church is a collection of people, some farmers, some artisans, some philosophers, some clergy, and so one. It's not hard to identify that the commoners where often stirred to altruism and progress by the church and that philosophers and artisans often made their best works on the churches dime, it's also not hard to see how often the church in it's corruption destroyed what it had made.

Morals are UPB for him, and Christians come closer than many to his UPB just not all the way.

He obviously would ask for voluntary donations and has done so for some time.

If you want to dis dollar man then do it, but don't be so freaking retarded

>>577351


a9afa3 No.578829

>>576560

His retarded views on free will are the easiest to dismantle, he unironically results to god of the gaps tier arguments for it. Focus on his naturalism/objectivism. Make him refute Kant, Hegel and the like (he literally can't). Unfortunately if one were to try anything resembling an actual debate you're just gonna get NEXT CALLER MIKE'd.


ef0c2b No.578835

>>576560

I my best one of the few young conservative dudes online who isn't very familiar with this guy. Honestly I've just tried my best to stay away from all this e-celeb drama nonsense. I'm too busy living my life tbh. I do know that he (used to?) advocate for people to alienate themselves from their families. As in he would recommend that they estrange themselves from their parents and never communicate. Defoo-ing was the name he gave it. I don't know what to say to you if you're prepared to listen to someone like that.


ef0c2b No.578836

>>578835

*I must be


f0db9c No.578929

>>576560

Converting is not an argument




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