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>>575695

Yes

>>575695

>Splitting Hairs: The Thread

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Yes, life begins at conception. But the child is clearly DEVELOPMENTALLY an infant.

>>575695

This is retarded. Age is independent of the clock. This is another stupid version of Einstein's "twin """""""paradox""""""" "

>>575703

> Age is independent of the clock.

I'll remember that next time I get carded for a beer.

>>575701

An honest answer!

>>575702

A 24 year old retard is still legally allowed to buy liquor and get married. If life begins at conception, then that infant is legally allowed to do everything an adult can do. She should register to vote.

>>575703

>Age is just like a construct maaaan

You don't age when frozen.

>>575708

>>575711

Age is "real", but it only WORKS when it's a good measure of DEVELOPMENT. If you separate AGE from DEVELOPMENT (like in this case) and redefine age as # of years passed THEN it becomes useless.

>>575712

I guess this is what I'm trying to say. TIME on the calendar may have passed, but the BABY didn't DEVELOP.

See, now I'm wondering if her age will matter later in life. When she's biologically 76 will she get the Centenarian tax cut because she's 100 on the calendar?

Conceived in 1992, born in 2017. What an odd time to be alive.

>>575715

True, but some things hinge on age, not development. Like, a person can enter into a legally binding contract at the age of 18, not at the development of 18. Or when it comes to other legal matters, such as statutory rape, which is based solely on a number and not on development.

As far as religion goes, it's a non-issue; but legally it presents some interesting possibilities.

>>575712

Prove it. That's a 24 year old human whose life began when she was conceived in 1992. Now you're just raising more questions.

>>575720

>Like, a person can enter into a legally binding contract at the age of 18, not at the development of 18.

Yeah. I don't like the arbitrariness of these things either. But unfortunately there's not much you can do about it.

Also, you should remember that age is calculated from date of birth, not date of conception. Nobody adds 9 months to his age.

>>575722

See >>575726.

Anyway, going back to the original argument, I'd like to distinguish chronological age (how long you've been around, which tends to be your legal age plus 9 months for most people) versus developmental (legal) age cqlculated from date of birth. We only count developmental age for things like driving or drinking because it tends to be tied to the development or maturity of the individual. For this reason, we tend not to grant those rights to people who are developmentally disabled and thus mentally "stuck" at a lower developmental age.

Anyway, in this case, we have a child who chronologically is 24 years old. This is pretty much meaningless, though, since legally, a) her date of birth is much more recent, and b) her developmental age is still that of a baby, so she wouldn't be entitled to the rights of an adult.

>>575695

It's known for some time people's metabolism can be super-slowed down by freezing, especially embryonic tissue.

https://aeon.co/essays/how-freezing-patients-could-save-lives-and-even-reverse-death

It's more of a philosophical nitpick than a legal or religious issue.

>>575726

/thread

The age clock starts when the infant exits the womb. I'm 27 years and 0 month old. I'm not 27 years and 9 months old.

>>575695

Natural conception begins in the womb and ends in the womb. Frozen embryo shit is just that, shit. The kid isn't 24 years old.

>>575695

>If life begins at conception, is this human 24 years old?

Yes.

>Can she buy liquor, drive a car, or get married?

No, legal age in the US is defined by date of birth.

>>575754

According to the article, 49% of the embryos survive. Keep in mind that these are embryos that would have otherwise been aborted. So it's a net gain.

>>575765

It's still 51% too much.

>>575772

Yes, but given a choice between none surviving and 49% surviving, I'll take the 49%. The more we learn, the easier it gets and the greater the survival rate.

She technically is 24 years old but your afe to do stuff is based off your birth day not conception day

>>575695

Human life begins at conception, but age is based on years of natural aging since your date of birth. So if you go to space and the Earth ages faster than you due to relativity, your age will be measured in how time affected you, not in Earth years since your birth. This baby girl should be considered a newborn because she was born only recently, even though she’s been alive for much longer

>>575695

>Woman gives birth to baby frozen as embryo for 24 years

… least it wasn't flushed like most frozen embryos are

>If life begins at conception, is this human 24 years old? Can she buy liquor, drive a car, or get married?

Oh wow, how will we Christians ever recover from this zingiest of zinging zings? The powerful logic is just too much to handle.

Let's just say "yes" and close this thread with our compliments, shall we?

>>575750

Except in east Asia where they'll give you a bonus 3 months to round you up to "1" when you're born

>>576181

Planned parenthood was never about overpopulation and always about allowing undesirables, mainly minorities and poor people, to destroy their own communities by killing off their own offspring as efficiently as possible.

/pol

Planned Parenthood was actually supposed to be a means for those that otherwise performed dangerous, often (doubly) fatal back-alley abortions to have access to contraceptive devices to prevent them (though also to keep minorities and poor people in check population wise). It's like how African Americans complain about a lack of political clout while refusing to acknowledge that, in some states, they abort more children than they give live birth to.

>>576503

Sounds more like something you've tact on to justify murder.

>>576515

>Implying claimed to support abortion

I think it's a travesty, especially in the African American community. How can you call to be respected when you so violently disrespect your own lives in the first place?

>>576153

>… least it wasn't flushed like most frozen embryos are

Or dissected and sold off like scrap metal.

>>575695

>If life begins at conception, is this human 24 years old?

Metaphysically yes, but developmentally no.

>Can she buy liquor, drive a car, or get married?

No because our laws on these are in principal based on the competence of a person so old to do these things, which this child does not have.

>>576515

>Planned parenthood was never about overpopulation and always about allowing undesirables, mainly minorities and poor people, to destroy their own communities by killing off their own offspring as efficiently as possible.

>WOW WHY ARE YOU SAYING ALL THOSE GOOD THINGS ABOUT ABORTION???

He's not.

Also you should go back to kindergarten.

>>575695

According to worldly wisdom, a fetus is not human (or something like that); so this baby wasn't born until now. I think her age is still legally 0 despite having been frozen for 24 years.

>>575695

Is she over the age of consent?